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    Watch Hamlet's Soliloquy Recited in the Original Klingon

    Hamlet, Prince Of Q'onos, Walks The Boards For The First Time

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    12/03/09

    In reply to Watch Hamlet's Soliloquy Recited in the Original Klingon
    I can safely say life no longer has any meaning to me now as I have experienced all there is to experience.
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    12/03/09

    In reply to Watch Hamlet's Soliloquy Recited in the Original Klingon
    This was awesome. The babbling about what play a Klingon would actually be in is irrelevant, it's always fun to see an out-of-character-ish introspective Klingon.
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    12/03/09

    In reply to Watch Hamlet's Soliloquy Recited in the Original Klingon
    I am such a geek. I want to learn the St. Crispen's Day Speech. And would love to see all of Hamlet in Klingon.
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    12/03/09

    In reply to Watch Hamlet's Soliloquy Recited in the Original Klingon
    Undiscovered Country is the second best Star Trek film....but that shit about '...in the original Klingon' always makes me shudder with embarrassment...there is a big difference between cute/fun pokes at history/culture and plain stupidity...but that line makes no sense at all.
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    12/03/09

    @goldfarb: I concur... second best Trek picture for sure.

    Although I always thought the "original Klingon" line was more of a facetious dig at Kirk than a literal statement of belief that Shakespeare was born of Q'onos.

    I thought it had just been subsequently spun that way for fun.
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    12/03/09

    @comrade_leviathan: I thought the quote was to be more of a reference that Chang read our Hamlet but felt that the same story had already been told on Qo'noS. It's a story about honor, revenge, and killing, which sounds to have some pretty heavy Klingon-esque themes.

    He doesn't think that Shakespeare was a Klingon or that Klingons gave him the idea, but that Hamlet is a very Klingon story, perhaps similar to existing Klingon stories.

    He quotes our version, but maybe, by random chance, the Klingon version was similar enough in that area.
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    12/03/09

    @Platypus Man: Could be. Wouldn't be the first time that Star Trek has posed the improbable concept of parallel evolution!
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    12/03/09

    @goldfarb: It was a dig at Nazi Germany insisting that Shakespeare was actually German.
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    12/03/09

    @Bill-Lee: Its a dig at the Russians, as Star Trek VI showed the end of the cold war between the Federation and the Klingon Empire just as the real Cold War was coming to an end. Praxis = Chernobyl, Gorkon = Gorbachev, etc. In one of Vladimir Nabokov's books a character refers to Shakespeare in the original Russian.
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    12/03/09

    @Harrison_Bergeron: I understand the parallels between the Cold War and Star Trek VI. However, the film's director, Nicholas Meyer, took the idea about Shakespeare in the original Klingon from Nazi Germany. There was an article in an SS newspaper that famously made this claim and a article in Soviet paper that later reasserted the German claim.
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    12/03/09

    In reply to Watch Hamlet's Soliloquy Recited in the Original Klingon
    Ah, Hamlet by Sheks'pir: Truly one the galaxy's comedy classics!
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    12/03/09

    In reply to Watch Hamlet's Soliloquy Recited in the Original Klingon
    It's cool, but as an Awl commenter pointed out yesterday, "a Klingon would not be likely to articulate the psychology of a Hamlet."
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    12/03/09

    @Moff: That's some racist thinking right there. Fuck that guy.

    Although, it is true that the Klingon language offers some problems when it comes to achieving Hamlet's perspective. For instance, there is no verb "to be" in Klingon. They are an active race, and do not speak of passive conditions.
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    12/03/09

    @Moff: Oh man, it was iplaudius, too. Bullllshiiiiiiit. The entire point of Hamlet is that he comes from a warrior-culture. Good Christ, has he never met a DANE?
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    12/03/09

    @braak: If he's lucky, he hasn't. The Danish and their red-light districts and legalized marijuana disgust decent people.
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    12/03/09

    @braak: You are, as usual, completely correct.:

    There's also the fact that a klingon hamlet would simply strid einto polonius room, call him a coward, strike him in the face and challenge him to a duel.

    The play would be one act long.

    Now a cardassian Hamlet....that has potential.

    What we need is a klingon version of 300.
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    12/03/09

    @Marasai: Yeah, but why didn't Hamlet do that? Any other prince of Denmark would have. Laertes would have stabbed the crap out of Claudius if his and Hamlet's position had been switched.
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    Image of Moff Moff
    12/03/09

    @Marasai: I think it would work if Worf was playing Hamlet. That guy is basically one long Klingon Hamlet.
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    12/03/09

    @Moff: The Danish too? I thought it was just the Dutch.
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    12/03/09

    @elsamurai: Maybe, but I think they're still pretty strict in Eastern Europe.
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    12/03/09

    @Moff: That is something of the point. The moral of the story in the original Klingon is be more like Fortinbras.
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    12/03/09

    @Moff: cant get much western in europe than the netherlands
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    12/03/09

    @Marasai: Have you seen "Sins of the Father" ? (St:TNG ep 65) That's exactly what Worf tries to do, and he is prevented by that most hated of Klingon words: politics.

    In Khamlet, the prince must determine what's actually going on in Denmark: is his mother involved? How deep does the rot go?

    When he finds out, he stages a duel to bring the real killer to justice (since politics prevents him from challenging directly) and everyone dies... except Fortinbras who's from a far less complicated family.

    Really, the "Now might I do it pat, now he is praying," and the "How all occasions do inform against me" monologues are much more Klingon-appropriate... the "To be or not to be" monologue is actually done to fool Polonius and Claudius.
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    12/03/09

    @bohica: I think you're mistaken on both counts, but unfortunately, there's no way to check, so we'll have to agree to disagree.
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    12/03/09

    @Marasai: Well factually, a Borg Romeo would simply assimilate Juliet and together they would turn the Capulets & Montegues into a nice orderly, passive collective, but a Borg Romeo & Juliet would still be fun to see. :P
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    12/03/09

    @Moff: i think i must disagree with you, being dutch and all myself
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    12/03/09

    In reply to Watch Hamlet's Soliloquy Recited in the Original Klingon
    I am, frankly, surprised that only one fan has decided to do this.
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    12/03/09

    @braak: You are, as usual, completely correct.: It's one of those things that I would have just assumed already existed. The whole Shakespeare canon, really.
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    12/11/08

    In reply to Hamlet, Prince Of Q'onos, Walks The Boards For The First Time
    I'd kill to see Kenneth Branagh decked out in full Klingon garb.
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    12/11/08

    In reply to Hamlet, Prince Of Q'onos, Walks The Boards For The First Time
    K'Plah!


    And that would be the extent of my knowledge of Klingon.

    Well, that and P'Tak...

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    12/11/08

    @Dunny0, Team T/A: Same here. I think it's cool that they translated it to Klingon, but the fact that they got enough people together who can speak Klingon to perform it and expect to get enough people who can understand Klingon to understand it to buy tickets is a little bit crazy.
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    12/11/08

    In reply to Hamlet, Prince Of Q'onos, Walks The Boards For The First Time
    I'd love to see the scene where Shylock obtains his pound of flesh with a betleH.


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    12/11/08

    In reply to Hamlet, Prince Of Q'onos, Walks The Boards For The First Time
    G'ahk or not to G'ahk that is the Krull.
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    12/11/08

    @ManchuCandidate: Im going to regret saying this but its something like Takh bakh takh bekh or something. They actually said it in Undiscovered Country
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    12/11/08

    @WilmerSlug: You are correct. But I think the meaning of be is different than in english so its a much different read.
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