The thing about the last scene - with Harry's "uneventful" life - is that, like the entire series, we're seeing through Harry's eyes.
When Harry looks back at his life, we see what's important to him. While he may have had many a thrilling adventure, invented wondrous charms and defeated many dark, misshapen threats, what was important to him?
Peaceful domesticity with the woman he loves and the children he adores.
And pained, pained regret for the sexual tryst with Draco which he never had the nerve to consummate whilst they shared the school hallways of Hogwart's. Of course. #harrypotter
Does he explain why his book, The Magicians completely falls apart two-thirds of the way through?
I had to review that book for a magazine, and, seriously--it is as though some cliche-obsessed hack snuck into the editor's office at night and rewrote the last third of the book without telling anyone.
It was such a shame, too, because the first two-thirds were really good. #harrypotter
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I think if you treat the book like a traditional narrative you're spot on. I tended to treat the whole thing as just one big meta-genre criticism. #harrypotter
@Scaramanga9: Hmm. In what sense? Are we meant to interpret its devolution into genre tropes as ironic, somehow? A kind of commentary on genre tropes themselves?
I think even from that perspective, it's not a very robust criticism. #harrypotter
@NoelleBlue: Yeah, you'll know when it happens, because you'll start to read it and say, "Huh. Hmm. Well, let's see where he goes with it." #harrypotter
@braak: i have to laugh a little. a guy whose own book falls apart making the same claim on someone else. well I guess he knows what he's talking about.
I wasn't really interested in reading this particular book but now I think I must, so I can see for myself #harrypotter
@ArleenCabango: You know, it's weird--I don't want to recommend it. But on the one hand, the first two-thirds are really good. And on the other hand, I have a burning desire for other people to know what I'm talking about. It's like I tell people to read it just so I can say, "See? SEE!?!?!" #harrypotter
This is why I personally stamp relapse and divorce rates at the end of all the self help books at my local B&N. Who needs optimism? You'll never get what you want out of life. Yes, you. #harrypotter
I love how he puts down an immensely popular book just to sell his own. That's pretty pathetic right there.
Harry's ideal reward wasn't to be a power-broker, god-like ruler, or anything of the like -- he wanted a normal, happy family life. What's wrong with hard work and sacrifice paying off?
Considering what real life is like, it takes considerable imagination to be able to envision that future.
I need to add ... I HATE any time that an author or artist takes time to publicly congratulate their own work. That's for me to decide for myself -- not for them to tell me.
@jayntampa: It's not as if he gave an interview purely to put down Harry Potter. The interviewer made a comment on the ending of Harry Potter, saying it was unrealistic, where Grossman then offered his own opinions, and, crazily enough, in an interview about him, commented on how it differed from his own book.
And anyway, his book is already a best seller. #harrypotter
@creat0r: If by bestseller you mean that it appeared on the NYT Bestseller list based on retailer pre-orders then fell off, then sure ... but that hardly makes it a good book. The fact that he can't see his own bias about the middle-class is just simply pathetic.
Not only that, he doesn't understand the character of Harry Potter -- he's placing his own desires for power on the character.
Harry Potter is in many ways a take on WWII. Young people go off to war against an overwhelming enemy with little choice in the matter and with little hope of victory.
Achieving victory -- and surviving to see that victory -- meant you could go home to family, friends, work, love, and a normal life. For a lot of heroes, that's exactly what they were fighting for.
The series' ending shows Harry, an orphan brought up without love and whose dearest wish was to have a loving family (as seen in the Mirror of Erised in the first book), as having achieved that dream. He's a happy and loving father, husband, and a successful wizard.
JKR didn't fail to answer the question; she just answered it in a way you thought was stupid, Mr. Grossman, but such a question is easily applied to any number of Greatest Generation heroes:
Here's a young man who can fight like hell; he helped defeat the greatest evil of the 20th century when he was 18 (19, 20...). What's the rest of his life look like?
If he was lucky, it looked a lot like Harry's.
I wonder: what's a happier ending than a character getting what he's always dreamed of?
@JennaW: Least we forget that Harry Potter is a rip-off of The Books Of Magic down to the look of the protagonist. but everyone has ignored that fact forever. #harrypotter
JK Rowling herself had an awful childhood and I think that for her giving Harry a peaceful life in which to raise his own children was the best reward. When your childhood is filled with abuse and fear, you dream of peace and contentment. #harrypotter
I think it's a loving dig, if anything. I would love to see different kinds of "happily ever after" more often in young adult fantasy fiction. Any other epilogue might have been incongruous in Harry Potter, but Grossman's point about most fantasy being a terrible guide for dealing with the harsh realities of adult life hits home. #harrypotter
I just saw it is Harry being a father and an Auror, didn't read any further into it than that and I didn't need to. The ending was okay, not the best but it worked and if JK Rowling wants to kick start a new, darker and more grown up Harry Potter I would read it, just like I would read the books based on the kids if she wrote them. #harrypotter
@Scaramanga9: He wanted to be an auror so I presume he became an auror, especially being the caliber of wizard that he was. It doesn't say he was or wasn't so that's the way I saw it, just as my comment says. Not the best ending but it leaves plenty of open space for people to draw their own conclusions. #harrypotter
Having read The Magicians, I am not at all surprised that Grossman feels this way. The entire book is a bit of a dig at the fantasy genre in general, though I enjoyed it. Some parts were very clever.
As for the epilogue of HP, how else would it have happened? HP is all about the importance of love, and family. Harry's lack of both these things is what has haunted him his whole life. Unless Harry had died, did anyone really think Harry wouldn't marry Ginny, have some kids, and try to have a big happy Weasley family of his own? That's all he ever wanted. #harrypotter
I disagree. The ending was destined to be dark. The happy-time fairy tale image was pretty much blown away after the third book. I thought the direction and ending were appropriate. #harrypotter
THAT RAT BASTARD! How dare he defile rowlings work! Ahem...cough. That reaction is a bit extreme i'd say, but still, what a twat. Sounds like this guy is jealous that his work isn't even close to providing the level of enjoyment people get from jk. "Astounding failure of imagination"...really gross man? really!? After 7 fantanstic books, after creating a world from the ground up, you are going to call her an epic failure because of a few paragraphs of epilogue? Thats just low. HP was a fantasy world that didn't involve big boobied elves in minimal armor or bulging heroes screaming death to Nar's Gook! I'm sure he would have ended the series with harry just banging a hard bodied witch as she asks him not to leave while he puts on some shades and says 'not now babe, i got a rogue wizard to kill'. In case he hadn't read the books, harry's whole life was full of turmoil. The ending: finally able to live in peace, was the completion of the story. I thought the ending was fitting, but im not a gross man. I'm sure it would make more sense for harry, who spent his whole life fighting v-mort (not to mention losing friends to him) to wish to continue fighting. Or he could want to settle down and live his life without worrying whether his wife will get whacked while out shopping. Personally, i prefer the ending as is. #harrypotter
I thought, at first glance, that it was a disappointment - that Harry should have ended up replacing Dumbledore or something.
Then I contemplated how people who have been through horrors in their teens can imagine no better future than normalcy; that perhaps for someone who spent their entire teenage life fighting for freedom and justice and saving the world, being able to create a nice, normal home for their kids might be the absolute pinnacle of their hopes.
So then I thought, cool.
And now I think Mr. Grossman has had a failure in perspective. #harrypotter
@bookwench: Ok, when you explain it like, it makes sense and makes me fell a little better about the ending (I found it to be all to brief for what it was), although I still fell Rowling fell short with it, because if that was her intent, she didn't explaining it well enough for people to get. It just felt like the cycle was continuing. #harrypotter
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When Harry looks back at his life, we see what's important to him. While he may have had many a thrilling adventure, invented wondrous charms and defeated many dark, misshapen threats, what was important to him?
Peaceful domesticity with the woman he loves and the children he adores.
And pained, pained regret for the sexual tryst with Draco which he never had the nerve to consummate whilst they shared the school hallways of Hogwart's. Of course. #harrypotter
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I had to review that book for a magazine, and, seriously--it is as though some cliche-obsessed hack snuck into the editor's office at night and rewrote the last third of the book without telling anyone.
It was such a shame, too, because the first two-thirds were really good. #harrypotter
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I think if you treat the book like a traditional narrative you're spot on. I tended to treat the whole thing as just one big meta-genre criticism. #harrypotter
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I think even from that perspective, it's not a very robust criticism. #harrypotter
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Although maybe that's a good thing, to be warned - I won't get too excited about the first 2/3rds.
(Sigh. I hate when that happens to a book. And it happens so often.) #harrypotter
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I wasn't really interested in reading this particular book but now I think I must, so I can see for myself #harrypotter
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Harry's ideal reward wasn't to be a power-broker, god-like ruler, or anything of the like -- he wanted a normal, happy family life. What's wrong with hard work and sacrifice paying off?
Considering what real life is like, it takes considerable imagination to be able to envision that future.
I need to add ... I HATE any time that an author or artist takes time to publicly congratulate their own work. That's for me to decide for myself -- not for them to tell me.
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And anyway, his book is already a best seller. #harrypotter
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Not only that, he doesn't understand the character of Harry Potter -- he's placing his own desires for power on the character.
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Achieving victory -- and surviving to see that victory -- meant you could go home to family, friends, work, love, and a normal life. For a lot of heroes, that's exactly what they were fighting for.
The series' ending shows Harry, an orphan brought up without love and whose dearest wish was to have a loving family (as seen in the Mirror of Erised in the first book), as having achieved that dream. He's a happy and loving father, husband, and a successful wizard.
JKR didn't fail to answer the question; she just answered it in a way you thought was stupid, Mr. Grossman, but such a question is easily applied to any number of Greatest Generation heroes:
Here's a young man who can fight like hell; he helped defeat the greatest evil of the 20th century when he was 18 (19, 20...). What's the rest of his life look like?
If he was lucky, it looked a lot like Harry's.
I wonder: what's a happier ending than a character getting what he's always dreamed of?
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Also, while there are facile similarities, in execution they are very, very different. #harrypotter
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What leads you to the "auror" conclusion? #harrypotter
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As for the epilogue of HP, how else would it have happened? HP is all about the importance of love, and family. Harry's lack of both these things is what has haunted him his whole life. Unless Harry had died, did anyone really think Harry wouldn't marry Ginny, have some kids, and try to have a big happy Weasley family of his own? That's all he ever wanted. #harrypotter
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Then I contemplated how people who have been through horrors in their teens can imagine no better future than normalcy; that perhaps for someone who spent their entire teenage life fighting for freedom and justice and saving the world, being able to create a nice, normal home for their kids might be the absolute pinnacle of their hopes.
So then I thought, cool.
And now I think Mr. Grossman has had a failure in perspective. #harrypotter
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