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Sayid, laughing Sayid, smooching Sayid, plus a fair amount of Sawyer.
Now THAT's a LOST episode.
"I'll just, um, go make some more waffles..."
Of course Ben isn't dead. One lousy bullet, plus the rules of time travel established for this show, he's not dead. Just shot and on the way to eeeeevil.
...In the 70ies, the Losties, have re-crashed on the island and are living as Dharma people. Teenage Benjamin Linus has been shot by Sayid Jarrah...but obviously he will survive since he's alive in the future when the Losties first crash on the island. ...and in the future, a plane will crash on that same island...but the people who will crash on the island are already there....so what, will the future!Losties stuck in the past have to forward/reset time to go back to where they originally were in the future...?
...suddenly Relativity (VOY) makes so much damn sense.
Ben has to live through it. Unless Dan was wrong when he described how time travel works, you can't change the past. Ben remembers being shot (whether or not he actually made the connection that it was Sayid, though I'd imagine did) and this is the same Ben we've always known. He's almost dead, but my guess is that Richard (or one of the Hostiles) finds him and nurtures him back to health (along with the Island's healing powers). He then lives with the Hostiles for a period of time, where they tell him what he has to do and returns him to his people (DHARMA), where he claims he was kidnapped or something, until the Purge when he kills all of them.
Lost has been very consistent with its one-dimensional time travel so far and I would be very disappointed if it started messing with it now. That would throw a wrench in a lot of the stuff they've already presented.
There's only one dimension, one history, one timeline. Ben must still be alive!
@Platypus Man: Well, either he's still alive or he becomes resurrected (like Locke, not like Christian who can't leave the island). That doesn't really matter, but he's not going to stay dead.
@Platypus Man: I very much believe that Ben remembers being shot, and that he knows it was the same Sayid who was on 815. I have this sneaking suspicion that Ben set Sayid up as his assassin specifically so he could get secret revenge on him for getting shot as a kid. Which, ironically, would lead Sayid to shoot Ben in the hopes that it would "fix" everything that already happened in the future.
If (as I'm sure he will) Ben survives being shot...would that perhaps explain why he took Locke to the open grave and shot him? Did he perhaps believe that in order for Locke to become the new leader, he needed to almost-die?
OK, but why would he strangle him to the death later?
I don't believe he's even in 1% on the "good side". Actually I'd even expect Ben to be more villianesque than his rival.
Everything he does will eventually turn out to be manipulations and deceptions with one target - getting things done for the one person he cares about, himself.
It's more of a hunch, but it has some reasons behind it.
First - he got cancer on an Island than ressurects people it "likes". Villianometer gets big reading from this.
He strangled Lock.
Also in this series some details of his "work" were shown between the verses, and they really stink. Even Widmores ruthlesness didn't have so negative vibe as Ben's constant betryals.
@Peterus: Dunno, but I had an epiphany today at work. Sayid just caused the Dharma extermination. Seriously, think about it. Amy's husband got killed, and the two Hostiles who murdered him in cold blood got shot by a guy that Alpert _knew_ wasn't Dharman. But he required the dead Dharman's body anyways, so he could prove to his people that justice had been served.
Now, you've got a guy who the Dharmans all believe to be a Hostile (or an ex-Hostile, which isn't much better), and who they say broke the truce. Then he shoots one of the Dharman _kids_ while escaping. You better believe they're going to be out for blood. And when that happens, it will be the Hostiles who feel that the Dharmans broke the truce.
And how self-centered could Kate be that she didn't get that Sawyer and Juliet were now a couple? Even the guys (Jack and Hurley) figured that one out!
@oboesqueaks: I think it will. I was reading Doc Jensen's review yesterday, and he pointed out the time travel similarities to the Madeline L'Engle time traveller books. In A Swiftly Tilting Planet, they go back in time and influence/change who marries who, so that a child born of that marriage is "good" rather than "evil" (to sum up a complicated book in a single sentence). I think that Sayid shooting Ben does change things, and there will be major reprecussions that do ultimately change what already happened.
I'm really wondering how they're going to explain how Ben is still alive, when he was shot and killed (supposedly, as we know the island does like to reincarnate dead people) by Sayid in the past. Alternate dimensions is my best guess.
I'm really feeling bad for Juliet here, as you know damn well that Kate still has feelings for Sawyer, and seemingly came pretty damn close to revealing that shortly before they were interrupted. I didn't like Juliet at first, but I'm liking her more and more as the series drags on. The same can be said about Sawyer as well.
I liked it when Hurley asked Jack if he was cool with Sawyer "running things". Hahaha. Oh Hurley.
@dead_red_eyes: Either Faraday will be wrong, and you _can_ change the past (in which case things are about to get all kinds of screwy in the future), or you didn't see what you think you saw, and someone will come along and save young Ben's life. Sayid never actually stopped to make sure he was dead, after all...
03/26/09
Now THAT's a LOST episode.
"I'll just, um, go make some more waffles..."
Of course Ben isn't dead. One lousy bullet, plus the rules of time travel established for this show, he's not dead. Just shot and on the way to eeeeevil.
03/26/09
...In the 70ies, the Losties, have re-crashed on the island and are living as Dharma people. Teenage Benjamin Linus has been shot by Sayid Jarrah...but obviously he will survive since he's alive in the future when the Losties first crash on the island. ...and in the future, a plane will crash on that same island...but the people who will crash on the island are already there....so what, will the future!Losties stuck in the past have to forward/reset time to go back to where they originally were in the future...?
...suddenly Relativity (VOY) makes so much damn sense.
03/26/09
I mean, there's nothing that confusing about it. They don't need to reset anything or anything like that.
Also, Relativity was a pretty good episode. But if you want confusing time travel, you want Primer.
03/26/09
Lost has been very consistent with its one-dimensional time travel so far and I would be very disappointed if it started messing with it now. That would throw a wrench in a lot of the stuff they've already presented.
There's only one dimension, one history, one timeline. Ben must still be alive!
Also, it's Ajira 316, not 615.
03/26/09
03/27/09
I very much believe that Ben remembers being shot, and that he knows it was the same Sayid who was on 815. I have this sneaking suspicion that Ben set Sayid up as his assassin specifically so he could get secret revenge on him for getting shot as a kid. Which, ironically, would lead Sayid to shoot Ben in the hopes that it would "fix" everything that already happened in the future.
03/26/09
03/26/09
OK, but why would he strangle him to the death later?
I don't believe he's even in 1% on the "good side". Actually I'd even expect Ben to be more villianesque than his rival.
Everything he does will eventually turn out to be manipulations and deceptions with one target - getting things done for the one person he cares about, himself.
It's more of a hunch, but it has some reasons behind it.
First - he got cancer on an Island than ressurects people it "likes". Villianometer gets big reading from this.
He strangled Lock.
Also in this series some details of his "work" were shown between the verses, and they really stink. Even Widmores ruthlesness didn't have so negative vibe as Ben's constant betryals.
03/27/09
Dunno, but I had an epiphany today at work. Sayid just caused the Dharma extermination. Seriously, think about it. Amy's husband got killed, and the two Hostiles who murdered him in cold blood got shot by a guy that Alpert _knew_ wasn't Dharman. But he required the dead Dharman's body anyways, so he could prove to his people that justice had been served.
Now, you've got a guy who the Dharmans all believe to be a Hostile (or an ex-Hostile, which isn't much better), and who they say broke the truce. Then he shoots one of the Dharman _kids_ while escaping. You better believe they're going to be out for blood. And when that happens, it will be the Hostiles who feel that the Dharmans broke the truce.
Oh, Sayid, what have you done?
03/26/09
If you are a killer. And your job is to kill people. And you've done it before.
Why would you ever leave someone for dead?
Isn't an extra shot in the head and a 30 second check for a pulse, you know, just in case, always in order?
My guess is that when they come looking for Jin, they find a barely-hanging-on Ben.
Or Richard Alpert finds a barely-hanging-on Ben.
But somebody finds a oh-so-not-quite-dead-yet Ben.
03/26/09
That kid is still alive.
I just wish they had shot kate instead. I'm sick of her face.
03/26/09
03/26/09
And how self-centered could Kate be that she didn't get that Sawyer and Juliet were now a couple? Even the guys (Jack and Hurley) figured that one out!
03/26/09
03/26/09
Me.
But I'm probably crazy and don't count.
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03/26/09
That just might be why Ben approached Sayid to go after Widmore's people.
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03/26/09
I'm really feeling bad for Juliet here, as you know damn well that Kate still has feelings for Sawyer, and seemingly came pretty damn close to revealing that shortly before they were interrupted. I didn't like Juliet at first, but I'm liking her more and more as the series drags on. The same can be said about Sawyer as well.
I liked it when Hurley asked Jack if he was cool with Sawyer "running things". Hahaha. Oh Hurley.
03/26/09
Either Faraday will be wrong, and you _can_ change the past (in which case things are about to get all kinds of screwy in the future), or you didn't see what you think you saw, and someone will come along and save young Ben's life. Sayid never actually stopped to make sure he was dead, after all...