Vern Troyer? Really? That's the best dwarf actor they could get? Seriously, the dude who played in the Pirates of the Carribean movies is a much better actor than Vern. He just makes me cringe from his inability to display a personality. #theimaginariumofdrparnassus
Can't say I was really following Imaginarium until now.
Looks like a beautiful example of a rare and endangered species...a movie that actually looks interesting enough to brave the local ciniplex just to see it in 40 foot glory.
@ballookey: I'm Not There sort of doesn't count because they weren't literally all meant to be playing the same person/character. They even had different names.
Palindromes, on the other hand, definitely did this, to a great effect. Also, saying "no other movie will ever attempt" it is sort of odd. Has Charlie seen into the future of filmmaking?
Gilliam's been responsible for some of my favourite movies (Brazil, Munchausen, 12 Monkeys) and one of the very few films I genuinely cannot stand (Brother Griimm). Dr Parnassus, from what we've seen, looks amazing. I'm definitely looking forward to this.
@Pope John Peeps II: It's got a really odd rythm but I can never quite get behind. The transition from horror to comedy and back again always feels forced to me and there's a couple of moments, the minced kitten in particular, where the film just stops absolutely dead.
@honeybee111: You're absolutely right, and when when it works he produces films that look like nothing else (Brazil, 12 Monkeys and Tideland) all spring to mind. When it doesn't though, you don't so much have a film as a set of disparate elements that happen to be on camera at the same time.
@atrus123: I would totally pay money to go see this one, because it gives me happywarmnostalgic flashbacks to Baron Munchausen. Unfortunately, the studio has decided to release it the day after I leave the country for a place that will most likely not show it on the big screen. Assholes.
Whoa! tom waits finally playing the role he should play. Now I can't wait for the film biography where ron perlman plays tom waits and the circle will be complete.
Tom Waits as the devil ! I officialy name Terry Gilliam, Best Person Ever. Tom Waits is unfortanetly not in the running for this title becuase he is less a person and more a personification of awesome.
Can't wait to see it, although the wooing of a 16-year-old girl is a bit off to me.
Of course such things were commonplace in the era this film is set, but it's a bit of an uncomfortable concept to me, at least.
Having said that, I still cannot wait to see this. Looks utterly fantastic... may not have the most coherent of plots, but hey, this is a Terry Gilliam movie. We're not getting in line for great plots, we're getting in line to have our eyeballs blown out the back of our goddamn skulls.
@Smeagol92055: R.O.A.C.H.:
You do know that 16 is legal age in England.. as in sex, bars and voting... right? :D
18 - 21 is not the legal age everywhere.... just here.
@holographicProfessorMoriarty: I do realize that, having traveled quite a bit of the world in my days.
Doesn't mean that my American perceptions of the world are completely changed, though. Wooing a 16-year-old girl is still a bit of an icky concept to me. Honestly, do you think most 16-year-olds are ready for that sort of relationship?
@noonsky: I think both of you are missing the point I'm making.
Age of consent be damned, do you think your average 16-year-old girl is ready for that sort of relationship?
Think back to when you were 16. Were you or the people around you of the same age really ready for an adult relationship, or a relationship with an older person?
@Smeagol92055: R.O.A.C.H.: I don't think they are wooing the 16 year old. They are helping Parnassus seduce 5 other souls, with Valentina as their reward. Just as creepy, maybe a bit less given the era of the film...
@Smeagol92055: R.O.A.C.H.: For what it's worth, I get it and I'm with you. I don't care what day & age it is, anyone trying to get with someone half their age (or less) hits my skeeze-meter.
Also not a fan of a guy bargaining away his daughter like she's a car or something, although I understand that this is a fairy tale convention from the dawn of time, probably.
That said, I can temporarily suspend my crazy feminist ideals because this movie looks like ten kinds of awesome.
@Smeagol92055: R.O.A.C.H.:
Throughout the thousands of years of history, we seen people of this age "be ready" for marriage and other relationships. You are letting a law stand in the place of morality, as a 16 yr old with an older gentlemen is only wrong depending on the society.
@Teddy Louis-Jacques: Yes, laws from a different past society.
Do try and focus here; I'm talking about this film in the context of the here and now. If, as Grey Area asserts, this film does occur in the present day, then we're not dealing with those thousands of years.
@Smeagol92055: R.O.A.C.H.: " I think both of you are missing the point I'm making.
Age of consent be damned, do you think your average 16-year-old girl is ready for that sort of relationship?"
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Morality laws are a futile attempt to fight nature. Doesn't matter if you or I think it's a good idea, young teenagers (a heck of a lot younger than 16) are going to have sex. Old geezers seducing high school kids is certainly kind of creepy, but not as much as 2 16-year-olds having consensual sex, getting arrested, and being labelled as sex offenders for the rest of their lives.
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Seems to me we should probably just yield to biology, and make the age of majority 13 or 14... It'd solve a lot of problems - youth crime, youth sex... Besides, it'd give parents some kind of ability to control their kids - do what I say, or get the hell out an find a job. The current system that the US has, where you can drive a 5-ton farm truck as young as 12 or 13, can join the military in some cases younger than 18, but can go to jail for drinking a beer under 21 is just imbecilic.
-Kle.
@Ruthless, If you let me:
Hmmmm, don't really think so. The age of consent notwithstanding, 16 is the age that in most countries teh child is considered an adult, with adult reasoning. Hell, at 13 if your Jewish, at your Bar Mitzvah you even say "today I am a Man"
I also heard from Depp in an early interview that himself and the other actors playing Ledgers character 'Tony' never took any pay for this film, all they asked is whatever they would get, be distributed to Ledgers daughter Kate and ex-wife Sally. Which I think is really excellent. Farrel gets so much shit for being the Hollywood hardman/wanker...hes just as sweet and as kind hearted as Depp and Jude. Weither some of the money made from this film goes to Ledgers family is entirly up to the studio. Im sure Gilliam wouldnt mind one bit....I met him years ago, hes a thourghly nice chap.
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10/28/09
09/11/09
Looks like a beautiful example of a rare and endangered species...a movie that actually looks interesting enough to brave the local ciniplex just to see it in 40 foot glory.
Tx you Mr. Terry for being so Gilliam
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#@!
09/10/09
Except I'm Not There, and Todd Solondz' Palindromes.
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Palindromes, on the other hand, definitely did this, to a great effect. Also, saying "no other movie will ever attempt" it is sort of odd. Has Charlie seen into the future of filmmaking?
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a) Will people actually go see this one, and
b) If they do, will they be seeing it for Gilliam awesomeness or because it's Heath's last picture
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Poor Terry has a hell of a time making movies, and when he does finally make one, he has a hell of a time getting people to actually see it.
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Also - Tom Waits is awesome.
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Of course such things were commonplace in the era this film is set, but it's a bit of an uncomfortable concept to me, at least.
Having said that, I still cannot wait to see this. Looks utterly fantastic... may not have the most coherent of plots, but hey, this is a Terry Gilliam movie. We're not getting in line for great plots, we're getting in line to have our eyeballs blown out the back of our goddamn skulls.
08/12/09
You do know that 16 is legal age in England.. as in sex, bars and voting... right? :D
18 - 21 is not the legal age everywhere.... just here.
08/12/09
Doesn't mean that my American perceptions of the world are completely changed, though. Wooing a 16-year-old girl is still a bit of an icky concept to me. Honestly, do you think most 16-year-olds are ready for that sort of relationship?
08/12/09
In a lot of the states, the age of consent is 16.
08/12/09
Age of consent be damned, do you think your average 16-year-old girl is ready for that sort of relationship?
Think back to when you were 16. Were you or the people around you of the same age really ready for an adult relationship, or a relationship with an older person?
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Also not a fan of a guy bargaining away his daughter like she's a car or something, although I understand that this is a fairy tale convention from the dawn of time, probably.
That said, I can temporarily suspend my crazy feminist ideals because this movie looks like ten kinds of awesome.
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Throughout the thousands of years of history, we seen people of this age "be ready" for marriage and other relationships. You are letting a law stand in the place of morality, as a 16 yr old with an older gentlemen is only wrong depending on the society.
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Do try and focus here; I'm talking about this film in the context of the here and now. If, as Grey Area asserts, this film does occur in the present day, then we're not dealing with those thousands of years.
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08/13/09
Age of consent be damned, do you think your average 16-year-old girl is ready for that sort of relationship?"
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Morality laws are a futile attempt to fight nature. Doesn't matter if you or I think it's a good idea, young teenagers (a heck of a lot younger than 16) are going to have sex. Old geezers seducing high school kids is certainly kind of creepy, but not as much as 2 16-year-olds having consensual sex, getting arrested, and being labelled as sex offenders for the rest of their lives.
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Seems to me we should probably just yield to biology, and make the age of majority 13 or 14... It'd solve a lot of problems - youth crime, youth sex... Besides, it'd give parents some kind of ability to control their kids - do what I say, or get the hell out an find a job. The current system that the US has, where you can drive a 5-ton farm truck as young as 12 or 13, can join the military in some cases younger than 18, but can go to jail for drinking a beer under 21 is just imbecilic.
-Kle.
08/13/09
@Klebert L. Hall:
08/24/09
Don't want to skeave you out but "set in the present day."
08/24/09
Obviously your not a fan of "Reaper" then
08/24/09
Hmmmm, don't really think so. The age of consent notwithstanding, 16 is the age that in most countries teh child is considered an adult, with adult reasoning. Hell, at 13 if your Jewish, at your Bar Mitzvah you even say "today I am a Man"
08/24/09
This is true, don't ask me how I know, and she swore she was 18
08/24/09
Here, here! Huzzah
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Prepare to be Shocked. Shocked I say!
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