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    Image of Bigdamnhero Bigdamnhero
    04:02 PM

    In reply to Dear Heroes: I Want My Lesbians Back
    You know, I got about 5-6 of these things sitting on my DVR, unwatched. Every recap I read makes me want to delete them unseen. #heroes
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    Image of fhbals001 fhbals001
    11/04/09

    In reply to Remember 3 Years Ago, When Heroes Was a Good Show?
    Not that I really expect a Heroes plot-line to make sense, but the whole, "I'm just changing the past a little bit" thing with Charlie is totally lame.

    Original time-line: Sylar kills Charlie, a murder which is witnessed by at least one other waitress. Ando is aware of the murder. Sheriff is called. Yadda-yadda-yadda.

    New time-line: Charlie lives. Apparently tells Boss she's taking off with Hiro for a lil' Austin lovin'. Does other Charlie-like things that aren't part of the original time-line. No murder for Ando to be aware of.

    IT'S A WHOLE NEW FREAKIN' TIME-LINE!!!

    What happens when "Present Hiro" returns from the past and tells Ando he couldn't save Charlie? Does Ando say. "Save? What save? She just took off with your future self."
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    Image of Vexxarr Vexxarr
    11/04/09

    In reply to Remember 3 Years Ago, When Heroes Was a Good Show?
    I have officially given up on Heroes. The traveling circus family is jumping the shark for me and how many times can we kill Sylar? How are any - ANY - of these characters 'heroes' if all they do is create problems for one another or fix said problems? If you took all the 'heroes' off the planet, life would actually be BETTER. The show should be called 'Problems' because that is what it is full of.
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    Annalee Newitz promoted this comment Edited by Vexxarr at 11/04/09 12:03 PM Vexxarr was starred Vexxarr was unstarred
    Image of br4nd0n br4nd0n
    11/04/09

    In reply to Remember 3 Years Ago, When Heroes Was a Good Show?
    I enjoy this season way more than the previous except the first. #heroes
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    Image of Mighty Bomb Jack Mighty Bomb Jack
    11/04/09

    In reply to Remember 3 Years Ago, When Heroes Was a Good Show?
    While I was watching it, the first season was SO good up until the finale, one of the most anti-climatic finales ever. I remember thinking that a couple of those episodes (I think the ones with B&W flashbacks) were some of the best episodes of any recent shows.

    Then Season 2, taking a cue from Season 1's closer, sucked. I just couldn't get past the shit plots. This post pretty much summarizes why I stopped watching Heroes.

    Charlie, if being stucked in Nethertime (??!!) means more time for Glee, please stay there.
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    Annalee Newitz promoted this comment Edited by Mighty Bomb Jack at 11/04/09 6:45 AM Mighty Bomb Jack was starred Mighty Bomb Jack was unstarred
    Image of Cupajo Cupajo
    11/04/09

    In reply to Remember 3 Years Ago, When Heroes Was a Good Show?
    Goddammit, this show pisses me off. #heroes
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    Image of zåɳzißårléɠёпȡ zåɳzißårléɠёпȡ
    11/04/09

    @Cupajo: it had promise, but when the producers decided that HEROES need to become the mother of all comic-book long shot series , the story just went way out of control. time travel is a very sensitive thing to do in comics as it is, the potential for time travel overload can be full of failure, as HEROES has perfectly demonstrated. #heroes
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    Cupajo promoted this comment zåɳzißårléɠёпȡ was starred zåɳzißårléɠёпȡ was unstarred
    Image of Cupajo Cupajo
    11/04/09

    @zåɳzißårléɠёпȡ: I thought the ending of season 1 was a complete let-down. Watched about 2 episodes of season 2 and saw what was happening. I've got an episode here or there each season since then and none of them have been worth watching at all.
    Comic books have been my particular brand of geek for close to thirty years now. I've been waiting patiently for a great comic-book TV show. This is not it. #heroes
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    Image of zåɳzißårléɠёпȡ zåɳzißårléɠёпȡ
    11/04/09

    @Cupajo: i agree.

    this whole cat and mouse game they play with the characters just reeks of old dbz episodes. they work all this buildup and then when he season reaches climax, it goes from excitement.. t complete anti-climax, followed by more confusion. some day there will be a great comic-book tv show, i hope other producers are watching it, and using HEROES as a cautionary tale on how run a series to the ground. #heroes
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    Image of Dirk Anger Dirk Anger
    11/04/09

    In reply to Remember 3 Years Ago, When Heroes Was a Good Show?
    A bit off-topic, because it's from the last episode, which I've watched later...

    Matt was supposed to be a recovering alcoholic, right?

    1. He would not be capable of casual driking, so what the hell is he doing having a beer?

    2. What the hell is he doing having a bottle of whisky at home? that's just stupid, no recovering alcoholic would have even a beer can at home #heroes
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    Image of dazoid dazoid
    11/04/09

    @Dirk Anger: he's not a recovering alcoholic. He's a recovering powers-use-aholic. He's going to AA, because there are no meetings for people who abuse their powers. #heroes
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    Image of Dirk Anger Dirk Anger
    11/04/09

    @dazoid: So, it's like in Dexter, then. I don't know anything about those meetings, I'm not even sure they exist in my country, but it stroke me as surrealistic that you can go to one of those and go on and on about "your addiction" without specifying what are you addicted to, and no one telling you that. Is that even possible? #heroes
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    Image of BlueBeard BlueBeard
    11/04/09

    @Dirk Anger: I think it is more about the support than any particular substance. Saying Parkman was addicted to using his powers is a bit of a stretch though. #heroes
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    Image of psychiccheese psychiccheese
    11/04/09

    @Dirk Anger: It's very much like Dexter.
    In response to your points in your first post, his wife knows that he's not an alcoholic, and is trying to stop using his powers, which is the reason that he's going to the meetings. There would be no reason to keep alcohol out of the house, other than to appear to visitors that he was an alcoholic. #heroes
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    Image of Dirk Anger Dirk Anger
    11/04/09

    @psychiccheese: Yeah I wasn't sure, I thought he really was (hello, stereotype) but, well, it's just that different substances are used in different ways, and I wouldn't put, for instance, cocaine users together with heroin users, because it seems they might need, well, the opposite kind of support #heroes
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    Image of twDarkflame twDarkflame
    11/04/09

    In reply to Remember 3 Years Ago, When Heroes Was a Good Show?
    Hiro was never bad-ass.
    He was never supposed to be bad-ass.
    He is a comic book geek/lovable nerd, the last thing Heroes needs is a bad-ass future Hiro.
    A dark/bad ass-Hiro would be like a bad-ass Hurly on Lost.
    You -dont- want these characters bad-ass but you DO want them to stick up for themselfs in cool ways occasional, butjust rarely e nought to be both a surprise and entertaining.

    "First of all, he can stop time. SO WHY NOT JUST FREAKIN RIP SYLAR'S HEAD OFF WHILE HE IS FROZEN?! "

    As he explains, he dosnt want to mess up the timeline. The whole point was he could make a single change without messing up the rest.

    Amazingly, the time travel in this episode actually made sense, he changed time, but also ensured things happened anyway due to very slightly different reasons.

    Now, as long as Heroes keeps the "timelines stay correct as long as they are close enough to the original" view of time travel, they are ok. #heroes
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    Image of TheLostVikings R.O.A.C.H. TheLostVikings R.O.A.C.H.
    11/04/09

    In reply to Remember 3 Years Ago, When Heroes Was a Good Show?
    The even bigger elephant in the room is this: Why the fuck does Hiro even listen to this stupid blackmail, he is a freaking time traveler for fucks sake. After the carnie time traveler kicked the bucket who exactly is going to stop him from going back and picking up charlie before they do? Nobody, that's who.

    Why does no one on this show ever realize what their powers can do! #heroes
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    Image of Malthian Malthian
    11/04/09

    @TheLostVikings R.O.A.C.H.: It's still better than Stargate: Galactica Voyager 90210 The Real World. #heroes
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    Image of BlueBeard BlueBeard
    11/04/09

    @TheLostVikings R.O.A.C.H.: Exactly- Inkstain kidnaps Charlie and abandons her in time because he fears losing his retarded circus family. Hiro could easily do the same thing- start taking carnies away and Inkstain cries and gives up.

    Or, go back in time and kill Inkstain for being the douche that he is. As far as Hiro is concerned this is the present, he can mess him up a few minutes ago and not ruin any destinies.

    I like the show, and I think it is a major improvement over last season, but the carnival story is pissing me off. #heroes
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    Image of wanion wanion
    11/04/09

    In reply to Remember 3 Years Ago, When Heroes Was a Good Show?
    Honestly? I don't ever remember Heroes being a good a show. I remember being somewhat interested in the premise of how average people would act if they got super powers, and then being treated to characters who were more cartoonish than the most histrionic soap opera, and who could be counted on to make the worst possible decisions in any given situation based on nothing more than the arbitrary dictates of a struggling writer's room desperate to be clever (ie: making random twists to drag the plots out as long as possible) Early Hiro was pretty entertaining though. #heroes
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    Image of Daumier Daumier
    11/03/09

    In reply to Remember 3 Years Ago, When Heroes Was a Good Show?
    "Remember 3 Years Ago, When Heroes Was a Good Show?"

    Trust me, if I didn't I wouldn't have this damned avatar. Every recap I find my finger on the button to change it in a fit of embarrassment that I used to rave about that show until I realize that I'm deleting the 9th fucking Doctor. You can't just delete the 9th fucking Doctor, right? He'll just turn into David Tennant, and everyone and their dog has a clever David Tennant avatar somewhere.

    Plus, he pushed Peter off of a building, and for that alone I'll bear his banner with pride. #heroes
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    Image of Davio Davio
    11/04/09

    @Daumier: You sir, are a man I would buy a beer for. #heroes
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    Image of frederic frederic
    11/03/09

    In reply to Remember 3 Years Ago, When Heroes Was a Good Show?
    Hiro doesn't kill Sylar because
    1) it's not morally acceptable for him, and it's not Hero-like (Superman never kills!) Hiro is not a killer!
    2) it would change the history of the last 3 years in a completely undermined way, possibly undoing a lot of things that have been fixed. His goal is only to make small change that have no concequence to the overall outcome of history. Sylar must still get back on the road to the cheerleader. #heroes
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    Annalee Newitz promoted this comment frederic was starred frederic was unstarred
    Image of van_line van_line
    11/03/09

    @frederic: psst. Superman has killed. He killed General Zod, Quex-Ul and Faora during John Byrne's run on Superman. Long story short the 3 had killed an entire planet (a parallel earth) and the only option was death by kryponite.
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    Annalee Newitz promoted this comment Edited by van_line at 11/04/09 12:02 AM van_line was starred van_line was unstarred
    Image of Annalee Newitz Annalee Newitz
    11/04/09

    @frederic: WHY??? He can save Charlie's life but not kill Sylar??? Seriously I need all those question marks. #heroes
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    Image of van_line van_line
    11/04/09

    @Annalee Newitz: what if the computer kid finds Hiro and says "hey dude do me a solid and go back in time and save my dad!" what can Hiro say? #heroes
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    Image of twDarkflame twDarkflame
    11/04/09

    @frederic: Dont point out criticism with criticism of heroes!
    We have to pretend that absolutely everything is wrong with heroes even when they do something that is not only explained on the show, but makes sense too. #heroes
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    Image of twDarkflame twDarkflame
    11/04/09

    @van_line: If Hiro was smart, he would do what he did with Charlie...save her without messing up anything else.

    In this case I -think- the right way to do it would be to simple snatch the guy from just before his death and bring him into the present. (thus he has no effect on the timeline during the period he should be dead....which is pretty like being dead no?).

    If you want to get really smart, you could spend a few months finding a roughly matching body to replace the guy with too.
    Of course, by that time Hiro might be dead due to a tumour. But I like the principle of non-interferance time travel as long as you ensure the timeline more or less stays the same.

    For all we know humans invent time travel in a thousand years and have already been plucking people from history, but they are just good at doing it just before their (unnatural) deaths and replacing them with lock-alike corpses :P #heroes
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    Image of dazoid dazoid
    11/04/09

    @twDarkflame: "For all we know humans invent time travel in a thousand years and have already been plucking people from history"

    Everybody kills Hitler their first time #heroes
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    Image of RavenNemain RavenNemain
    11/03/09

    In reply to Remember 3 Years Ago, When Heroes Was a Good Show?
    I have an honest question for you all - I have not watched any episodes of Heroes and a friend has lent me the first season DVDs. Now, I know that the response to the subsequent seasons has been ... less than stellar.

    So... Do I watch season one, knowing the frustration that will follow, or do I save myself the pain, and skip it? #heroes
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    twDarkflame promoted this comment RavenNemain was starred RavenNemain was unstarred
    Image of twDarkflame twDarkflame
    11/04/09

    @RavenNemain: Personally I love Hiros. Season2 at the start was the only bit I truely hated.
    Season3/4 is no where near as bad as people say, allthough there is some truely bad eppisodes within them. #heroes
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    twDarkflame was starred twDarkflame was unstarred
    Image of van_line van_line
    11/03/09

    In reply to Remember 3 Years Ago, When Heroes Was a Good Show?
    Watching the eps., all I could think about is that scene from "Tropic Thunder" about never going full retard. Hiro is in full retard mode.

    Why not when you freeze time, teleport Sylar to the middle of the ocean or the mojave or the sun?

    If you are going to alter the past by saving someone's life then don't worry about screwing up the space/time. It has to be one or the other. Either changing the past is bad or changing the past is ok.

    A serious question that arises from a dumb show but if you could back in time and stop someone from killing 10 or 100 or 1000 people don't you have a moral obligation to do it? Doesn't your inaction make you responsible for those deaths??

    I can accept that a playboy millionaire dresses up like a bat to strike fear into the hearts of criminals, but Batman is responsible for all of the deaths because of the Joker.
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    Annalee Newitz promoted this comment Edited by van_line at 11/03/09 9:35 PM van_line was starred van_line was unstarred
    Image of twDarkflame twDarkflame
    11/04/09

    @van_line: "If you are going to alter the past by saving someone's life then don't worry about screwing up the space/time. It has to be one or the other"

    Why ? Why one way or the other.

    Whats wrong with changing the past, but only in ways that dont effect anything else?
    Lots of sci-fis take the view that timelines self-correct to some extent, I dont see why it cant be a possibility.

    Hiro seems worried about messing up the future, so he looks for a way to remove Charlie without effecting anything else. And, frankly, I cant see a problem with his method.
    Remember Syler never got Charlies power in the original timeline so even Sylers position in the timeline isnt changed much. #heroes
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    Image of 5AMfrenchtoast 5AMfrenchtoast
    11/03/09

    In reply to Remember 3 Years Ago, When Heroes Was a Good Show?
    Oh I wish the people who write this show had the balls to do anything interesting.

    Why would Syler NOT kill Hiro and take his powers?

    Syler: Look dude, it's cool that you control fucking TIME and SPACE, but I seriously got to get to this high school and get some regeneration power. Which is way better than THE POWER TO DESTROY EVERYTHING.

    Hiro: But you have to help me! She is the Marle to my Crono! Plus I'll totally tell you about your future, and what happens and stuff. It's totally way more awesome than what would happen if a person as insanely powerful as me wasn't written by lazy, incompetent hacks.

    Syler: Okay, now you've really done it. You've made a reference to Chrono Trigger, and somehow you've made it lame. Somehow, it still made me groan. Now I've SUPER gotta kill you.

    (Hiro freezes time, runs behind Syler, unfreezes time.)

    Syler (turning around in bafflement): Ah! Fooled again! Cuuurrssses!

    Hiro (smiling smugly): So we have a deal?

    Syler(growling): Looks like I don't have a choice.

    AND THEN, IN AN AWESOME TWIST:

    Syler kills Hiro and takes his powers. Camera cuts to a line of graves with the names of ALL the other characters on them.

    THE END

    (of a show that needs to be put down like a blind, arthritic cat stuck in a mini-Iron Lung because its greedy asshole owner won't let it die.) #heroes
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    Image of twophrasebark twophrasebark
    11/03/09

    @5AMfrenchtoast:

    "Sylar kills Hiro and takes his powers. Camera cuts to a line of graves with the names of ALL the other characters on them."

    I like it. It's a wrap. Great work everyone. #heroes
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