Great article and overview of all these connections, but I can't help but feel one glaring omission: Orson Scott Card and Ender's game (and really much of the whole enderverse books). From the start that book went right off from the cold war. #analysis
@Jojitsu: Thanks. To be fair, this isn't a comprehensive list by any means, but Ender's Game would certainly fit some aspects of this, but doesn't for others - the unified world government thing rubs me the wrong way, but the idea of destroying another race certainly does fit with the times. #analysis
I've been reading a lot of Philip K. Dick short stories lately, and I can really see the Cold War-ness going on. Lot's of post-nuclear holocaust, and other happy thoughts. #analysis
@Ronnoc: PKD certainly had a number of good elements to his books, especially when it came to paranoia. His short story Minority Report certainly feels very Cold War-ish. #analysis
Just to nitpick, I think the German recipients of wave after wave of Katyushas or the Japanese defenders of any of the island-hopping targets leveled by might take offense to the notion that rockets weren't a key part of WWII.
And there was one class of standoff I think was overlooked- futures where the USSR was still kicking, but had liberalized with the effects of glasnost and perestroika and settled into a passable working relationship with the US- novels between 1987 and 1991 were pretty regularly filled with fraternizing space captains and the like. Such a future might actually have been more plausible than total collapse around the time of the wall coming down. #analysis
@Strakus: Rockets and missiles really weren't major weapons in the war, especially now when you look at the use of mass bombings and other conventional weapons. Missiles were largely not perfected until after the war. Did they make a local impact in areas? Yes? Did the introduction of the V-2 change the outcome of the war in any meaningful way? No. #analysis
@Klebert L. Hall: That's a good point, and something I really didn't explain too well - I'll make sure to do that in the future. Rockets were in use far earlier, but ballistic missiles were the real game changer. #analysis
@Andrew Liptak: I should have included a smiley. The author was meaning rocket=ballistic missiles, and I was just pointing out that with a bit more literal read, that wasn't true. #analysis
Now that we've got 20 year's perspective on the Cold War we're better able to talk about it. For one thing, the ideological struggle wasn't so significant. During the great decolonization drive in the 50s and 60s, it was a vital question to many whether they should embrace capitalism or communism. After 1968 though, with the Prague Spring, the Cultural Revolution, Pol Pot and the decay of the Brezhnev years, it became increasingly obvious what a wretched alternative Marxism offered.
Still the Cold War lumbered on, with the Soviets ever less capable of sustaining their end of it. Why? Inertia produced by the military industrial complexes was one thing (the Soviets had a more poetic name for theirs - the Steel Eaters). But there was also a sense of geo-political inevitability. Through the late 1800s, Europeans started to realize that their turn at the top was ending. Their empires would not last, and once they were gone, they would be medium sized powers. That's why long before the Bolshevik revolution they had begun to fear Russia, which was behind the curve developmentally but coming up fast and had this tremendous size. And the only other country that would one day be in their league was America, once they had grown into their Western territories. So they were guessing even then that this match up would define the 20th century. #analysis
@Thrubeingcool: Oh, easily. I think that there are some inherent weaknesses in the Soviet system, such as an unprepared economic structure, as well as a military that was so large that it was prohibitively expensive. Thus, the transition to nuclear missiles. #analysis
It's not really a factor in the cold war per se, but the early/mid 20th century also gave us the first real intersection of industrialism and genocide. (not just the nazis but also the soviets. i'm not sure if the cambodian killing fields were really industrialized in scope, just really large in scale.) #analysis
@regis: Not even the 20th Century - look to the American Civil War, with the introduction of industry in the North, and some of the actions during that conflict - mass killings of soldiers - not necessarily genocide, but still battles with very high body counts. #analysis
@Andrew Liptak: Well as with all things "Adapt or Die". In the Civil War you begin to see the beginnings of Modern Warfare. Rifled Barels, pre primered and charged cartridges for weapons and exceedingly high rates of fire and accuracy. This lead to the high bodycounts, because the block infantry formations of Napoleon and the American Revolutionary War made for great targets, but exceedingly uninspired in a world where one bullet could infact kill one man.
As a matter of fact since the Civil war, body counts in any particular battle have been in sharp decline. Consider that in the whole of the Vietnam conflict...12 years worth of fighting the United States lost 58,000 soldiers. In the Battle of Gettysburg, over three days of fighting 54,000 soldiers lost their lives.
I think that the Cold War has been a great back drop for many a classic Science Fiction yarn, and the aftermath just as rife for the plucking. I myself am a Fan of THX 1138 and Logan's Run ((the film is about the aftermath of nuclear holocaust)) and how can one not be stirred by the image of a society that is domed and walled off, and naive. The fast that some would actively choose the pleasure lifestyle. Heck even as late as 1999 with The Matrix, nuclear Destruction is not off the table. This time with the machines standing in for the Soviets. #analysis
@David Voderberg: Yes, very good observation - changes in warfare such as this are well explained by Carl Von Clausewitz, a military theorist, who noted that defensive warfare is the most effective - defenders have the inherent advantage, and changes in technology, such as machine guns and better walls, are part of this. However, evolution in warfare will overcome these boundries.
There's obviously a lot of difference between Vietnam and the Civil War - part of this is the Cold War, which actively threatened the civilians of not only target countries, but the ones surrounding them - this is something that has never really happened before, and represents a huge change in how wars are fought. However, there are other differences to take into consideration - look at the medical facilities and treatments avaliable. Between the Vietnam and Civil Wars, you have things such as antibiotics and better ways to help people - that alone would skew the numbers, because a lot of Civil War deaths weren't from bullets, but from disease.
I think this environment is a very interesting proving ground, simply for the changes in it that people would have seen. Imagine - you saw the end of the napoleonic era and saw the rise of industry, while being threatened by it? #analysis
@cloudship.tacitus: That's true, but not in any meaningful way, and not in a way that changed military doctrine in the way that rockets did after World War 2. #analysis
I read a couple fantasy novels set in the previous ice age a while back. It was interesting because the author had done his research and explained in his notes that ice age did not equate to global perma winter. There were lots of variances like Beringa. Alas, don't remember the name of the books, I never did get the third book in the trilogy either. #evolution
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@brentbent: C.O.C.K.R.O.A.C.H. )for all the queer super villians out there(: Okay, I laughed. Cthulhu didn't leave though; he's hiding in the forests lying in wait for unsuspecting tourists. #evolution
Wait, so you're saying that during the ice age, Alaska and Russia were a couple, but post-melt they are taking time off from one another?
Alaska never told me. I mean, I'd ask about her previous relationships, but she'd quickly change the subject by dumping a snow storm on me, or a 2 week long -20 F cold snap. Should have known there was something she wasn't telling me, but I guess I didn't really want to know, ya know?
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And there was one class of standoff I think was overlooked- futures where the USSR was still kicking, but had liberalized with the effects of glasnost and perestroika and settled into a passable working relationship with the US- novels between 1987 and 1991 were pretty regularly filled with fraternizing space captains and the like. Such a future might actually have been more plausible than total collapse around the time of the wall coming down. #analysis
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Correct.
Short-range rocket artillery was pretty ubiquitous in the conflict.
-Kle. #analysis
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Still the Cold War lumbered on, with the Soviets ever less capable of sustaining their end of it. Why? Inertia produced by the military industrial complexes was one thing (the Soviets had a more poetic name for theirs - the Steel Eaters). But there was also a sense of geo-political inevitability. Through the late 1800s, Europeans started to realize that their turn at the top was ending. Their empires would not last, and once they were gone, they would be medium sized powers. That's why long before the Bolshevik revolution they had begun to fear Russia, which was behind the curve developmentally but coming up fast and had this tremendous size. And the only other country that would one day be in their league was America, once they had grown into their Western territories. So they were guessing even then that this match up would define the 20th century. #analysis
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Oh, i just found There Will Come Soft Rains online *goes to read it* #analysis
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As a matter of fact since the Civil war, body counts in any particular battle have been in sharp decline. Consider that in the whole of the Vietnam conflict...12 years worth of fighting the United States lost 58,000 soldiers. In the Battle of Gettysburg, over three days of fighting 54,000 soldiers lost their lives.
I think that the Cold War has been a great back drop for many a classic Science Fiction yarn, and the aftermath just as rife for the plucking. I myself am a Fan of THX 1138 and Logan's Run ((the film is about the aftermath of nuclear holocaust)) and how can one not be stirred by the image of a society that is domed and walled off, and naive. The fast that some would actively choose the pleasure lifestyle. Heck even as late as 1999 with The Matrix, nuclear Destruction is not off the table. This time with the machines standing in for the Soviets. #analysis
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There's obviously a lot of difference between Vietnam and the Civil War - part of this is the Cold War, which actively threatened the civilians of not only target countries, but the ones surrounding them - this is something that has never really happened before, and represents a huge change in how wars are fought. However, there are other differences to take into consideration - look at the medical facilities and treatments avaliable. Between the Vietnam and Civil Wars, you have things such as antibiotics and better ways to help people - that alone would skew the numbers, because a lot of Civil War deaths weren't from bullets, but from disease.
I think this environment is a very interesting proving ground, simply for the changes in it that people would have seen. Imagine - you saw the end of the napoleonic era and saw the rise of industry, while being threatened by it? #analysis
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Alaska never told me. I mean, I'd ask about her previous relationships, but she'd quickly change the subject by dumping a snow storm on me, or a 2 week long -20 F cold snap. Should have known there was something she wasn't telling me, but I guess I didn't really want to know, ya know?
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I love how one of the photo captions in the original article states:
Ice-rich loessal deposits, or "muck," in the Klondike goldfields.
Muck is, like, "goop" and "spew" and like, stuff.
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