Forgive my ignorance, but what is the difference between YA science fiction and "regular" science fiction? I'm a 40 year old guy. When I was a teen, I was reading regular science fiction because I wanted to read the same books that my father was reading. What defines YA science fiction? Are the main characters teenagers? Is the sexual content toned down?
@UndineElephnot: Honestly, a novel only what a publisher decides it is. YA is a pretty new term which is why you often see old classic sci-fi novels catagorized in "regular" sections and "teen" sections. Take Ender's Game or Have Space Suit Will Travel, for example.
Not all stories involving teenagers are necessarily YA and not all stories that only involve adults is "regular" fiction, but there are certain standards. It's mostly defined as fiction that has an intended audience of teenagers. Often, the sexual themes can be toned down or on par with more adult titles. The sky is really the limit on YA.
@Rasselas: While the latter would be my first cynical reaction, when it comes to the YA industry I think that young people are more excited than ever to read. The demand in that market is huge because of HP and Twilight, but that leads to kids actually branching out and reading things that aren't endorsed by MTV. It's sad that those two series were stepping stones, but I'd rather have a kid read something than nothing at all.
@Rasselas: A lot of the most popular stuff isn't fantasy at all, but *very* science fictional. And as I've detailed in several posts in the past, there's a *TON* of post-apocalyptic and dystopian future YA, where only a couple of young people realize how messed up everything is.
I think part of it has to be the pride of work well done. In steampunk you know that Captain Nemo's submarine isn't going to have a faulty starter: it will be a handmade, beautifully tooled piece of equipment.
Huh? I believe the attraction here is for machines who aren't necessarily reliable but clearly idiosyncratic.
@Chris Barrus: Agreed. It won't be mass-produced, so it will seem prettier, but it won't be any less faulty. Likely to break down more often, in fact, and be much harder to replace than standardized equipment.
Already a new generation of children are 'gearing' up and creating ridiculous steampunk outfits. If more YA books are put out there I think it is a possibility that 'steampunk' will be the new emo.
(i don't know if i am saying that as a bad thing or what)
Why just look at a picture of a Steampunk machine? The secondly constructed Charles Babbage Difference Engine design number 2 is currently on display at the Computer History Museum in Mountain View (Silicon Valley).
Demos at 2:00 pm Tue-Sun, and also 1:00 pm Sat-Sun.
If by atompunk, you mean nostalgic fiction for the era that molecular manufacturing broke, I think that's pretty soon after biopunk has played itself out. (Annalee may wanna correct me on this since she coined the term.)
Probably after some bioengineering disaster in the real world spreads a tweaked bamboo-kudzu plant that covers New York with useless grown houses or a super-algae, tweaked for food additives, that chokes the oceans to death.
Tubepunk? Is that what we should classify all the pulp era stuff with spaceships guided by steely-eyed missile men with vernier calipers and slipsticks?
Tapepunk? Is that what we should classify all that 50's and 70's science fiction with big room sized computers that achieve sapience and rule the planet?
This would bring us full circle back to cyberpunk in the late 70's and early 80's where people thought that VR and networks were still a pretty neat idea.
At this point (but not as recently as 5 years ago) steampunk is mainly an aesthetic fad, since what unites steampunk works is the fetishism of quasi-Victorian frippery, rather than the limitations of technology based on steam power and cogwheels nor the geopolitical and sociocultural issues of the Age of Imperialism. Steampunk versions of Transformers and the Justice League of America bear out this view.
As the steampunk aesthetic has become overstretched other eras have been mined, giving us dieselpunk and clockpunk. Is it too early for cyberpunkpunk - near-past nostalgia for a world in which the internet is an edgy meeting ground for new wavers in skinny ties gazing at CRT monitors?
@glucious: You hit the nail on the head. The late Romantic/"Victorian" era has always fascinated me because of the various political, social, artistic and economic movements and how it molded the events of the 20th century. But so much steampunk just seems like an obsession with how "pretty" frilly petticoats and shiny brass gears are, and it ends up just idealizing the whole era and ignoring the real issues.
I'm even more put-off by supposedly emerging bastard-child of steampunk, this '20s and '30s obsession. I understand that swing, cabaret and Fedoras are cool, but it's like they're completely forgetting that this is the era that led to a worldwide economic depression and the rise of some of the worst tyrants in human history.
@Erda: Same here. I saw a lot of that this weekend at the con I went to. Some people really knew their stuff and behaved properly for the era, but a lot of them were just teenagers in frilly crap with shiny widgets who didn't know history at all.
@Evil Tortie's Mom: R.O.A.C.H.: Haha true. I guess that just as a history buff I'm particularly bitter because I run into this a LOT. A lot of the eras I'm really interested in - 19th-century Europe, the World Wars and intervening years (part. the Weimar Republic), and the 1960s - seem to be the same ones that get fetishized a LOT by ignorant people. I'm sick of being lumped in with those people. I went through a huge '60s classic-rock phase in middle school and high school and a lot of the people on the online communities were exactly like that - they only knew the clothes, music, and pop culture, and NOTHING of the actual history.
@Erda: O God. These people you're talking about, they think "Cabaret" is a happy story, right? They don't know "Hey, hey, LBJ, how many kids did you kill today?"
I think they forget that the Weimar cabaret scene and the '60s hippie scene and protest movements were considered countercultures for a reason. The majority of the population did not support them. The modern fetishists want the good of the Weimar period, and not the parts that led to the rise of Hitler - or the sex, drugs and rock-and-roll of the '60s without the rampant sexism, racism, and Cold War politics that led to the counterculture. After all, any countercultural movement is, by definition, a backlash against elements in mainstream culture it opposes.
What's counterculture today? Or is our culture so fragmented that nothing's a majority any more, just a plurality? The only thing I can think of that isn't mainstream is thinking and being edumacated, but that's never been popular.
Let us please seperate the "real" Steampunk from the practice of attaching gears to anything remotely science fiction. One if a sub genre of fiction the other is a silly fad for people who have probably never read The Difference Engine
@Oasx: The Difference Engine is actually the only piece of steampunk I've ever read. I heard it was probably the best one out there, so I never gave anything else the opportunity.
@ThisDudeRufus: I can only think of four works of steampunk that I've read. The one that stands the best chance of being recognized is 20,000 Leagues. The other one with a world-famous author is the third Tom Sawyer book (can't remember the title, but it had Tom, Huck, and some old guy adventuring in some sort of flying machine). The one that's most likely to have been read by fellow io9 readers is the Gotham by Gaslight/Master of the Future pair of Elseworlds graphic novels. And the one that I enjoy the most is Girl Genius. Seriously, Krosp rocks.
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Not all stories involving teenagers are necessarily YA and not all stories that only involve adults is "regular" fiction, but there are certain standards. It's mostly defined as fiction that has an intended audience of teenagers. Often, the sexual themes can be toned down or on par with more adult titles. The sky is really the limit on YA.
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Turtledove (natch) has a whole series of YA alt-hist books which I'd recommend to all kids and many adults.
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Huh? I believe the attraction here is for machines who aren't necessarily reliable but clearly idiosyncratic.
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Read them yourself, give them to your favorite tween and teens, esp. girls.
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(i don't know if i am saying that as a bad thing or what)
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Demos at 2:00 pm Tue-Sun, and also 1:00 pm Sat-Sun.
I present, crank, and maintain the Engine.
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If by atompunk, you mean nostalgic fiction for the era that molecular manufacturing broke, I think that's pretty soon after biopunk has played itself out. (Annalee may wanna correct me on this since she coined the term.)
Probably after some bioengineering disaster in the real world spreads a tweaked bamboo-kudzu plant that covers New York with useless grown houses or a super-algae, tweaked for food additives, that chokes the oceans to death.
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As for Atompunk, the best example I can think of is Fallout 3. Very 1940's-1960's in nostalgia, complete with constant threat of The Bomb.
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Tapepunk? Is that what we should classify all that 50's and 70's science fiction with big room sized computers that achieve sapience and rule the planet?
This would bring us full circle back to cyberpunk in the late 70's and early 80's where people thought that VR and networks were still a pretty neat idea.
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As the steampunk aesthetic has become overstretched other eras have been mined, giving us dieselpunk and clockpunk. Is it too early for cyberpunkpunk - near-past nostalgia for a world in which the internet is an edgy meeting ground for new wavers in skinny ties gazing at CRT monitors?
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I'm even more put-off by supposedly emerging bastard-child of steampunk, this '20s and '30s obsession. I understand that swing, cabaret and Fedoras are cool, but it's like they're completely forgetting that this is the era that led to a worldwide economic depression and the rise of some of the worst tyrants in human history.
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I guess it's better than emo?
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I think they forget that the Weimar cabaret scene and the '60s hippie scene and protest movements were considered countercultures for a reason. The majority of the population did not support them. The modern fetishists want the good of the Weimar period, and not the parts that led to the rise of Hitler - or the sex, drugs and rock-and-roll of the '60s without the rampant sexism, racism, and Cold War politics that led to the counterculture. After all, any countercultural movement is, by definition, a backlash against elements in mainstream culture it opposes.
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What's counterculture today? Or is our culture so fragmented that nothing's a majority any more, just a plurality? The only thing I can think of that isn't mainstream is thinking and being edumacated, but that's never been popular.
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attaching cogs to a plastic toy gun then giving it a bad paint job is not 'steampunk'....it's making something look like crap.
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I can only think of four works of steampunk that I've read. The one that stands the best chance of being recognized is 20,000 Leagues. The other one with a world-famous author is the third Tom Sawyer book (can't remember the title, but it had Tom, Huck, and some old guy adventuring in some sort of flying machine). The one that's most likely to have been read by fellow io9 readers is the Gotham by Gaslight/Master of the Future pair of Elseworlds graphic novels. And the one that I enjoy the most is Girl Genius. Seriously, Krosp rocks.