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steampoweredboy
03/12/09

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Yay more humor about sexual assault!
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Alexis
03/12/09

@steampoweredboy:

"He's a Raper! Look at 'em...always Rapin'!" How witty.

Bad taste.
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Garrison Dean: R.O.A.C.H.
03/12/09

@steampoweredboy: If you can't laugh at butt rape, what can you laugh at?
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crashedpc - Haifisch
03/12/09

@Garrison Dean: Skullfucking?
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Garrison Dean: R.O.A.C.H.
03/12/09

@crashedpc: Skull-Fucking kids? or Adults?
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steampoweredboy
03/12/09

@Garrison Dean:

[www.rainn.org]

HAHAHAHAHA!
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Garrison Dean: R.O.A.C.H.
03/12/09

@steampoweredboy: See that's the spirit, and the shot of Ty Pennington was really the icing on the cake. Glad to know you're playing along.
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Alexis
03/12/09

@steampoweredboy: Oh, conditional normalization of rape... How you run strongly through the nerd community.
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acrobatic rabbit
03/12/09

@Garrison Dean: unicorns skullfucking leprechauns. in london.
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Garrison Dean: R.O.A.C.H.
03/12/09

@Evlsushi: I've always chalked it up to rape being a narrative slow ball.

It's an easy thing to pull out and have happen to a character as it has such a built in anger to it that you can show just about anyone getting raped and you'll have your gut reaction from the audience and you never needed to worry about character development.

Plus I'm sure that some people spending their time watching Hentai and the like may get a sick kick out it.
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Garrison Dean: R.O.A.C.H.
03/12/09

@Acrobatica Rabbitica: Too far. Tooo far. you should be ashamed of yourself. Especially after the recent Leprechaun genocide in northern County Cork.
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Alexis
03/12/09

@Garrison Dean: I don't mind when it's being used responsibly within the context of story (as you alluded to), but I hate how casually its used.

The whole joke is "look at that Comedian, he's a rapist, doing rape-ey things!" Like he's Dennis the Menace, or something. This, and Chris Brown jokes are old and stale.
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Garrison Dean: R.O.A.C.H.
03/12/09

@Evlsushi: I can see the frustration, but what you hate about it is also why it works for other people. The idea of something so serious being done so light is so absurd and that's where the humor lies, for right or wrong. Then it gets down to a matter of taste or of opinions which can be debated until the end of time.
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tetracycloide
03/12/09

@Evlsushi: i don't think that's the whole joke. it may be a part of the joke depending on the reader but unless the comic ends at panel three it can't be the whole joke. most of the joke, maybe even all of it depending on the reader, is the absurdity of throwing fruit pies at a rape and then having it accomplish the desired goal of stopping said rape.
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steampoweredboy
03/12/09

@Garrison Dean: You know who finds rape funny, people who haven't been raped or seen their loved ones sexually assaulted.

But don't let empathy or compassion get in the way of a good laugh.
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Garrison Dean: R.O.A.C.H.
03/12/09

@steampoweredboy: I've known people who've died from cancer, heart attacks, stroke, even mad cow, does that mean I should get pissed off at things like SNL's "Da Bears" sketches when they have their fake heart attacks?

Making light of something doesn't mean the same thing as Taking it lightly.
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Alexis
03/12/09

@Garrison Dean: You know, I'd agree with you if it wasn't for the fact that it's quite normal for me to hear shit like "Rhianna deserved it." I liken this kind of humor to the Chapelle's show. Yeah, it was hilarious, but when I start to hear a midwestern lily white 15-year old quoting it, it takes on different gravity (which is part of the many reasons he decided to stop the show). I think it's fine to take serious subjects and make light of them, but I know a lot of people aren't getting the layered-ness of the joke. It comes off to most as "not a big deal" and leads to doucehbag-iness.

But it's all up to debate, like you said.
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Garrison Dean: R.O.A.C.H.
03/12/09

@Evlsushi: Oh I totally agree that the response to things can get out of hand and away from the message. (I haven't heard any Rhianna deserved it but I'll believe there are D-bags who say anything) I've always said that the worst thing about South Park are the people who watch it. I really really hate it when whites launch into the Chris Rock "I Love Black people, but I hate (you know the rest)".

But that's comedy, thats art. Interpretation and misinterpretation is part of the package. Of course people aren't going to get it and are going to miss the point, but unless someone moves past that danger and charges ahead with something complex, smart, funny and bold we'll be left with Gallaghers smashing watermelons or CarrotTops with their chest of props and the Lenny Bruces of the world will never exist and we'll all be dumber for it.
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steampoweredboy
03/12/09

@Garrison Dean: Rape is a violent criminal act, not a health condition. The physical, emotional and psychological battering a sexual assault victim suffers is only compounded by the social stygma.

I've seen people making jokes about rape with someone I knew had been through a sexual assault. Watching their face just go dead as people laughed it up was a real eye-opener.

It's a lack of empathy.
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Garrison Dean: R.O.A.C.H.
03/12/09

@steampoweredboy: Well then lets just throw out The Producers (genocide), Hogan's Heroes(prison camps), The Honeymooners (domestic violence), Grosse Point Blank (murder), Airplane (plane crash), Airplane 2 (terrorism), hell where would Looney Toons or Tom and Jerry be without assault? I know what your saying and it's like that episode of Night Court where they bring the comic in and he performs his offensive material in the dark, then they turn on the light and all the people he was making fun of that he couldn't see are in the audience and he has a big reveal. And yeah you have to be sensitive to people around you, but you have to make sure not to throw the baby out with the bathwater.
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Alexis
03/12/09

@Garrison Dean:

You're right sir. There's a fine line between making a crass joke and making a crass joke and knowing it's crass. You might think this joke is self aware, I don't.

So, I'm choosing to blame your lapse of judgment on your fruit pie consumption from 15 years ago. That trans fat will kill ya. <3
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tetracycloide
03/12/09

@Evlsushi: what gives you the impression the joke is not self aware?

i'm honestly curious because i just assumed it was.
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Alexis
03/12/09

@tetracycloide: Truthfully, it's not something that I can directly point out. It's more of a the overall concept of the strip coupled with that of the novel/film. It makes fun of what rape apologists say about victims of rape ("you gotta have some reason for wearing an outfit like this") but doesn't really do a good job of self examination. A lot of people believe that kinda of shit (the 'she was asking for it' mentality) and considering that the exact thing was displayed in the novel/film, it just seemed in bad taste. There was no, "wow the comedian is one fucked up asshole" moment. Not that it had to be that direct, but a little reflection on this would've helped. This comic seems like it was trying to be self-aware, but just fell short of making it.

Again, it's a matter of opinion.

@The Curse of Millhaven:

I don't think the comic has to be so direct in its message to convey something really misogynistic. It tries to come off as light farce, but I think that when people think rape is okay to joke about it leads to it being a less horrible act.
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Ed Grabianowski
03/12/09

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Honestly, that's just barely weirder than some of the actual Hostess ads:

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Evil Tortie's Mom: R.O.A.C.H.
03/12/09

@Ed Grabianowski: "Kwirkegard"'s existential depression defeated by Twinkies!

Thanks for that, Ed -- I remembered the non-sequitur ads well enough to get the joke, but it's great to have an example.
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Ed Grabianowski
03/12/09

@Evil Tortie's Mom: If I can just emphasize the sheer absurdity for a moment here: He made the water existential. Never mind that the existentialist funk was defeated by fruit pies.

He shot. A gun. At water. And made it existential.
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Aidan_
03/12/09

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I always thought the hilarious thing about these ads was that Hostess Fruit Pies taste awful.

And thank you, Elan Rodger, for covering the Comedian's exposed, Nixon-poop covered dong with a fruit pie.
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Garrison Dean: R.O.A.C.H.
03/12/09

@Aidan_: I looooved Hostess Fruit Pies. Granted, haven't had one in probably 15 years but I bet I'd still like it.
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crashedpc - Haifisch
03/12/09

@Garrison Dean: Nostalgia is the worst kind of flavoring. It almost always lets you down.
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Garrison Dean: R.O.A.C.H.
03/12/09

@crashedpc: even this one?

[www.flickr.com]
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92BuickLeSabre
03/12/09

@crashedpc: Nope, had them more recently. Still delicious.

Although even more recently they seem to have largely (internally) sold out the fruit pie part of their business to the Drake's brand name. So they are essentially Drakes pies (two separate bready shells) brought to you by Hostess (same old delicious Hostess Cherry filling).
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Garrison Dean: R.O.A.C.H.
03/12/09

@92BuickLeSabre: Does it still have that wonderful flaky glaze that stick to your fingers and crumbles all over whatever clothes you are wearing at the time?
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92BuickLeSabre
03/12/09

@Garrison Dean: It's a Drake's version of the Hostess Glaze.

It's the Episode II to the original glaze's Episode V.

The Clyde Drexler to its Michael Jordan.

The Poland Spring to its Fiji Water.

The Duffy to its Amy Winehouse.

The Ralph Nader to its Eugene V. Debs.

The Atlantic City to its Las Vegas.
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NotArthurPDragon
03/12/09

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Can we get some for the screenwriter?
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TrueCrime
03/12/09

@NotArthurPDragon: You mean fruit pies, right?
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TrueCrime
03/12/09

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Everything goes better with Hostess fruit pies. Now in tandoori chicken flavor!
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Smeagol92055
03/12/09

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That's quite possibly the most disturbing thing I've ever seen.
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Pessimippöpötåmus
03/12/09

@Smeagol92055: Have ever you watched the South Park episode "The China Probrem"?
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Pope John Peeps II
03/12/09

@Pessimippopotamus will steal you a ★ for 50 coins: Nobody fucking watches south park anymore. It's like eye cancer. Plus ear cancer. It's like two kinds of cancer. Also, it's like a kind of cancer that you'd only get in 1999 and when you get it now people say "holy shit, you can still GET than kind of cancer? Who does that?"
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Alexis
03/12/09

@Pope John Peeps II:

Dude, did South Park piss in your OJ this morning? Because complaining about how you hate South Park is soooooo 2001.
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Pessimippöpötåmus
03/12/09

@Evlsushi: Sounds like someone did.

@Pope John Peeps II: No. I don't watch South Park. Although I had the displeasure of watching the forementioned episode.
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Pope John Peeps II
03/12/09

@Evlsushi: Oookay. So complaining about me complaining about South park is soooo 2002.

Suck on that tailpipe, yo!
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crashedpc - Haifisch
03/12/09

@Smeagol92055: I remember fondly when I was a wee tyke the morning that I woke up and a cascade of Hostess(R) Fruit Pies rained upon my naive little head; that's why I'm such a fatty today.
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tetracycloide
03/12/09

@Pessimippopotamus will steal you a ★ for 50 coins: someone does every day, without that catalyst Jr's hatred of everything ever would wither and die.
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