@MinervaAlpaca: proving once again that hollywood cant do original material but will ne more than happy to ripoff older stuff.
i will pass on this film if it is made and will watch the old twilight zone episode instead of watching this bloated film.
@gorehound: Hey, if it means more readers for Matheson, I'm happy. (The Will Smith version of I AM LEGEND made the original novel a New York Times bestseller--which meant over a hundred thousand new readers discovered Matheson, all because of the remake.)
@MinervaAlpaca: So very true. I've seen about 10 customers at the bookstore asking for more stuff by Matheson. You should see their smiles when I mention that he also wrote some great TZ episodes.
Hugh Jackman is close to becoming the next Ewan McGregor.
he has starred in a pretty good franchise of films (X-Men) worked with Australian auteur Baz Luhrman on one of is epics (Australia), can sing, dance and participate in Broadway plays and musicals, and is eye candy for the ladies. Let's just hope his career doesn't fizzle the way McGregor's has following Star Wars.
Sorry but when ever I see "Chris Claremont" I get a little nauseous. What he did to the Willow universe was unforgivable and just badly done. It was like he was channeling Fox network.
@omgwtflolbbqbye: Personally, I'm hoping for a feature length adaptation of a What If...? Or maybe combine the 12 or so issues where Wolverton was killed off.
I also like that quote b/c the number of characters in comics whose deaths meant The End is dwarfed by the number of characters in comics whose deaths meant maybe a month or two out of circulation.
And sure, nobody's been able to do it in the normal continuity, but killing Wolverine in some potential future or alternate past is practically a cliche. Actually, not practically. But then, I haven't been reading Marvel lately so maybe it's not as common as it was during the nineties.
They would never kill off Wolvie in any feature film. They couldn't do it with Superman, and it'd be the same as killing off Bond in a Bond film. Never happen.
Sometimes I think there is some backlash because Wolvie's so popular, which is why maybe Claremont wanted to kill him.
I'll just be happy if the movies get better. I haven't seen the first, and I'm on the fence whether I ever should, from what I've heard.
@engtech: I agree. Yet, Liev Shreiber grabs Will-Eye-Pea by the spine. Dude grabs him by the spine.
Perplexing and oddly satisfying, so I say Nerd Rage=Satiated.
why does anyone still go to a movie based on a comic book expecting the movie to follow the comic? i really don't get this mindset at all. The comic is the comic and still exists regardless of the movie. Enjoy it for what it is. If all they were going to do was use the comic as the script and storyboards then why even bother?
I actually had a friend who spend a half hour telling me why the first Spiderman movie sucked not because of any flaws in the movie, but because it didn't follow the original comics exactly.
A 2 hour movie operates on different principles than a book or graphic novel and since it costs more to make one superhero movie than it does to print a decade worth of comic titles, it needs to appeal to more than just the fan geek contingency which usually requires changes (what fan geeks refer to as "dumbing down").
Am I defending Wolverine: the movie? No, but only because I haven't seen it yet (movies in Sweden are ridiculously overpriced) but I have seen far too many average/good movies be trashed because they didn't follow the source material - a criticism that should have nothing to do with how good a movie is given that 95% of the filmgoers haven't read the source.
If you want to critique a film, do that, but leave the bitching about how it didn't follow the original panel for panel out of it.
@DragonsDream: i just think the movie is rubbish, and it has little to do with the whole comic book canon issue. i mean if we take away the comic, you have some middle aged man with blades coming out of his hands, that is emo most of the movie.
and to your point about the expectations and comics; the studio should know there are expectations when they're working on a film like this. The reason they're making these films is because it has a built in audience, is it so far fetched to have the fans be critical when it's their money the studio is after?
@channeling the rage that is CHARLES BRONSON: but they aren't just after the "built-in" audience of fans. They are after the order of magnitude more who are familiar with the character without being a self-avowed "fan." The studios count on the fans to hype the movie for them and make more not-quite-fans-but-interested-in-action-movies types actually go to the movie. Is it unreasonable to think fans will complain when the film doesn't follow the source? no. But it is unreasonable for the fans to think it will. Here's a little hint for ya: the studios don't care about you, you aren't the target audience, at least in terms of box office revenue. "fans" seem to overestimate their importance to the success or failure of these kind of movies. I'm not saying we aren't important (we are important for generating hype) but our opinion based on source material has little to do with the success or failure of a film at the box office. And like it or not, that is all the studio cares about.
@DragonsDream: I'm pretty sure that people not liking Wolverine is more of an issue of just general movie taste than fandom getting bent over canon inaccuracies.
I'm a fan of the X-Men but don't really mind if they take liberties with the storyline (hell I hope they do since X-Men stories are pretty convoluted). The only thing I do expect, at the very least, is that they capture the essence of the property and tell a compelling story on film (as I expect of any movie that I walk into).
I think this sentiment is shared by others. as most comic fans regard the first 2 X-Men films favorably, despite the fact they took HUGE liberties with established canon. That's because they were well acted, directed, and written films in their own right and respected the characters and themes of the franchise.
The only way I'd be excited for this is if they announced that the film was going to be rater 'R' and that Fox had sold to the rights to another studio who is going to produce it.
You know you've f'ed up big time when the video game adaptation of your movie is truer to the character and features better writing and action.
@Trystero: Ive played this on the 360. Its a great hack and slash..slightly repetitive and some nasty collision problems with scenery. But apart from that it rocks. It plays on the story and actually beefs it up and swings the adult rating high! Nice intro movie, but I also like the introduction of Mystique and the huge bloody sentinel factory..that actually makes a load of sense!! I do hope they take from this game and make it better. Especially with Jackmans involvment with the game..seems silly not to!!!
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i will pass on this film if it is made and will watch the old twilight zone episode instead of watching this bloated film.
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Glad to hear it! Here's hoping the same thing happens with THE BOX and REAL STEEL.
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he has starred in a pretty good franchise of films (X-Men) worked with Australian auteur Baz Luhrman on one of is epics (Australia), can sing, dance and participate in Broadway plays and musicals, and is eye candy for the ladies. Let's just hope his career doesn't fizzle the way McGregor's has following Star Wars.
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YES. If I could wash reading those books out of my mind, I would.
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What?
This is the X-Men. Where everyone on the team has died at least once and been resurrected.
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I also like that quote b/c the number of characters in comics whose deaths meant The End is dwarfed by the number of characters in comics whose deaths meant maybe a month or two out of circulation.
And sure, nobody's been able to do it in the normal continuity, but killing Wolverine in some potential future or alternate past is practically a cliche. Actually, not practically. But then, I haven't been reading Marvel lately so maybe it's not as common as it was during the nineties.
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Sometimes I think there is some backlash because Wolvie's so popular, which is why maybe Claremont wanted to kill him.
I'll just be happy if the movies get better. I haven't seen the first, and I'm on the fence whether I ever should, from what I've heard.
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If that doesn't cause spams of Nerd Rage, then maybe you can sit through Wolverine:Origins. I know I couldn't.
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Perplexing and oddly satisfying, so I say Nerd Rage=Satiated.
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I actually had a friend who spend a half hour telling me why the first Spiderman movie sucked not because of any flaws in the movie, but because it didn't follow the original comics exactly.
A 2 hour movie operates on different principles than a book or graphic novel and since it costs more to make one superhero movie than it does to print a decade worth of comic titles, it needs to appeal to more than just the fan geek contingency which usually requires changes (what fan geeks refer to as "dumbing down").
Am I defending Wolverine: the movie? No, but only because I haven't seen it yet (movies in Sweden are ridiculously overpriced) but I have seen far too many average/good movies be trashed because they didn't follow the source material - a criticism that should have nothing to do with how good a movie is given that 95% of the filmgoers haven't read the source.
If you want to critique a film, do that, but leave the bitching about how it didn't follow the original panel for panel out of it.
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and to your point about the expectations and comics; the studio should know there are expectations when they're working on a film like this. The reason they're making these films is because it has a built in audience, is it so far fetched to have the fans be critical when it's their money the studio is after?
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I'm a fan of the X-Men but don't really mind if they take liberties with the storyline (hell I hope they do since X-Men stories are pretty convoluted). The only thing I do expect, at the very least, is that they capture the essence of the property and tell a compelling story on film (as I expect of any movie that I walk into).
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You know you've f'ed up big time when the video game adaptation of your movie is truer to the character and features better writing and action.
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