God I hated Wanted. For many reasons, though the notion mentioned above about becoming a (nihilistic) ubermensch and subsequently treating everyone else like disposable meat bags for target practice bothered me the most.
And that last line: "What have you done?" Well, I haven’t dehumanized people around me to the point where I can kill scores of them for my own dubious ends and then imply I’m a hero for it. If that’s what you’re getting at.
@Supernatural_Canary: Yeah, the actual graphic novel had a much more sensible reason for the last line and the general dehumanization: rather than a "righteous" assassin, the main character is just a selfish supervillain whose power is killing people.
I've heard the authors did approve the storyline of the movie, so I guess it's their right to mess with the story, but leaving in that last line makes their "hero" still seem like a jerk-off villain.
@kagekiri: Hmmm… that’s interesting. I haven’t read the graphic novel, so it could very well be that the context of that line (and of the character, it appears) didn’t translate very well to the screen.
I could certainly live with the character being a villain, and now that you point out what he was like in the graphic novel, I wish that’s what they had done in the film. But the fact that the movie made it seem as though he was righteous in his actions repulsed me.
I watched Knowing maybe two months ago, and I must have blocked it to protect my memory of that crapfest, because I don't remember absolutely anything about the movie. Only telling my mom not to watch it under any circumstances.
@madara: Apparently I trusted my crap-blocking capabilities to do the trick, as they did. I'll take it into account the next time something makes me want to rip my eyes out
@Dirk Anger: EDIT: Whoops, wrong movie. Knowing is about how Nic Cage is enough of a genius to figure out Earth is going to be destroyed, just in time to do jack shit about it. Also, kids go to an alien planet and there are vague, shitty references to religion.
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@The Mikekearn of La Mancha: Ahh I remember now, and Nic stalks the mother of some other kid, they find numbers that are dates of disasters and numbers of deaths... now I remember everything. Damn you!
Last week I ordered a boatload of the older Culture novels by Iain M. Banks. I suspect I might need someone to tow me to work as I might forget what "sleep" is. #bookvortex
@crashedpc - Haifisch: I did the same thing recently, all great, although hard going (for me anyway). I liked Look to Windward best.
For interest Iain Banks on the Culture [groups.google.com]
@Servercat: ...and if you're looking at giant battle tanks, then look up the Bolo stories by Keith Laumer, who was the best. The Bolos will then link you to the Berserker Stories by Fred Saberhagen. Good stuff.
@Chip Skylark of Space: Yeah Bolo's are great :D Though to be honest I actually like the Bolo books by David Weber (Old Soldiers) and John Ringo(Road to Damascus) better the Keith laumer ,even though he is the creator. Bolo's just rock so much more then Hammer's Slammers. They should have gotten a mention in the article :(
Now we have a problem. David Drake is one of my guilty pleasures, especially Hammer's Slammers. But to insult me by lumping that in with Transformers, well don't be surpirsed to find 150 tonnes of iridium and steel hovering over your lawn with it's 20cm main gun pointed at your bedroom while it's tribarrel rakes your front door. #bookvortex
@Dr Emilio Lizardo:
Big Joe - "Hiya Doc, this is Kelly and Oddball, he likes your hovertank."
Oddball - "Yeah, baby, I really dig your hovertank."
[Crapgame ( Sotto voce, crying) - "Have you any idea what 150 tonnes of iridium is worth on the Paris market?"]
Kelly - "I think I have a proposal that might interest you."
Why didn't anarcho-syndicaslists like Abrams' "Star Trek"? I'm pretty much an anarcho-syndicalist and I liked it. (Unless you're just doing a little spin on "Only *commies* wouldn't like...") #bookvortex
"...You'll love Good Omens by Neil Gaiman and Terry Pratchett"
Personally, I didn't love it. Just didn't bring the funny, not for me anyway. And I'm a Gaiman fan. I'd recommend "The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy" for a funny end of the world fix. For a disaster movie on paper, "The War of the Worlds" is still hard to beat. For a different kind of world-ending, there's "Hard-Boiled Wonderland and the End of the World" by Haruki Murakami.
For the apocalypse with magical battles and androgynous boys, there's CLAMP's unfinished X/1999 manga. For a multitude of arcane clues pointing to a New York-destroying conspiracy, see "Heroes: Season One"--oops, I mean Alan Moore's "Watchmen." #bookvortex
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And that last line: "What have you done?" Well, I haven’t dehumanized people around me to the point where I can kill scores of them for my own dubious ends and then imply I’m a hero for it. If that’s what you’re getting at.
Fuck that movie.
11/18/09
I've heard the authors did approve the storyline of the movie, so I guess it's their right to mess with the story, but leaving in that last line makes their "hero" still seem like a jerk-off villain.
11/18/09
I could certainly live with the character being a villain, and now that you point out what he was like in the graphic novel, I wish that’s what they had done in the film. But the fact that the movie made it seem as though he was righteous in his actions repulsed me.
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For interest Iain Banks on the Culture [groups.google.com]
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Hellbore ftw :) #bookvortex
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It's Consider Phlebas by Iain M Banks #bookvortex
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Big Joe - "Hiya Doc, this is Kelly and Oddball, he likes your hovertank."
Oddball - "Yeah, baby, I really dig your hovertank."
[Crapgame ( Sotto voce, crying) - "Have you any idea what 150 tonnes of iridium is worth on the Paris market?"]
Kelly - "I think I have a proposal that might interest you."
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Personally, I didn't love it. Just didn't bring the funny, not for me anyway. And I'm a Gaiman fan. I'd recommend "The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy" for a funny end of the world fix. For a disaster movie on paper, "The War of the Worlds" is still hard to beat. For a different kind of world-ending, there's "Hard-Boiled Wonderland and the End of the World" by Haruki Murakami.
For the apocalypse with magical battles and androgynous boys, there's CLAMP's unfinished X/1999 manga. For a multitude of arcane clues pointing to a New York-destroying conspiracy, see "Heroes: Season One"--oops, I mean Alan Moore's "Watchmen." #bookvortex
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