God I hated Wanted. For many reasons, though the notion mentioned above about becoming a (nihilistic) ubermensch and subsequently treating everyone else like disposable meat bags for target practice bothered me the most.
And that last line: "What have you done?" Well, I haven’t dehumanized people around me to the point where I can kill scores of them for my own dubious ends and then imply I’m a hero for it. If that’s what you’re getting at.
@Supernatural_Canary: Yeah, the actual graphic novel had a much more sensible reason for the last line and the general dehumanization: rather than a "righteous" assassin, the main character is just a selfish supervillain whose power is killing people.
I've heard the authors did approve the storyline of the movie, so I guess it's their right to mess with the story, but leaving in that last line makes their "hero" still seem like a jerk-off villain.
@kagekiri: Hmmm… that’s interesting. I haven’t read the graphic novel, so it could very well be that the context of that line (and of the character, it appears) didn’t translate very well to the screen.
I could certainly live with the character being a villain, and now that you point out what he was like in the graphic novel, I wish that’s what they had done in the film. But the fact that the movie made it seem as though he was righteous in his actions repulsed me.
I watched Knowing maybe two months ago, and I must have blocked it to protect my memory of that crapfest, because I don't remember absolutely anything about the movie. Only telling my mom not to watch it under any circumstances.
@madara: Apparently I trusted my crap-blocking capabilities to do the trick, as they did. I'll take it into account the next time something makes me want to rip my eyes out
@Dirk Anger: EDIT: Whoops, wrong movie. Knowing is about how Nic Cage is enough of a genius to figure out Earth is going to be destroyed, just in time to do jack shit about it. Also, kids go to an alien planet and there are vague, shitty references to religion.
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@The Mikekearn of La Mancha: Ahh I remember now, and Nic stalks the mother of some other kid, they find numbers that are dates of disasters and numbers of deaths... now I remember everything. Damn you!
Last week I ordered a boatload of the older Culture novels by Iain M. Banks. I suspect I might need someone to tow me to work as I might forget what "sleep" is. #bookvortex
Now we have a problem. David Drake is one of my guilty pleasures, especially Hammer's Slammers. But to insult me by lumping that in with Transformers, well don't be surpirsed to find 150 tonnes of iridium and steel hovering over your lawn with it's 20cm main gun pointed at your bedroom while it's tribarrel rakes your front door. #bookvortex
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Big Joe - "Hiya Doc, this is Kelly and Oddball, he likes your hovertank."
Oddball - "Yeah, baby, I really dig your hovertank."
[Crapgame ( Sotto voce, crying) - "Have you any idea what 150 tonnes of iridium is worth on the Paris market?"]
Kelly - "I think I have a proposal that might interest you."
Why didn't anarcho-syndicaslists like Abrams' "Star Trek"? I'm pretty much an anarcho-syndicalist and I liked it. (Unless you're just doing a little spin on "Only *commies* wouldn't like...") #bookvortex
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If you think you'll like The Road, you should read The Road. That way you can complain like the rest of us that the basement chattel weren't amputee-y enough. #bookvortex
I know how little control you get after you sell the rights. I just hope it is cast well. Jumper, one of my favorite books, was terrible cast and dropped out some of the parts that made it so emotionally satisfying. (Davey's abusive father, his missing mother and his moral code based on their influence.)
Your book was insightful and hilarious, I hope you will get actors who can pull off both. My fear is they will go camp which might work, but will miss some of the pain under the humor of both heroes and Villains.
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That's great.
There should also be an audio-book read by Wallace Shawn. When I read it, I kept hearing Wallace Shawn.
It's a great book. I hope the movie works out.
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And that last line: "What have you done?" Well, I haven’t dehumanized people around me to the point where I can kill scores of them for my own dubious ends and then imply I’m a hero for it. If that’s what you’re getting at.
Fuck that movie.
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I've heard the authors did approve the storyline of the movie, so I guess it's their right to mess with the story, but leaving in that last line makes their "hero" still seem like a jerk-off villain.
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I could certainly live with the character being a villain, and now that you point out what he was like in the graphic novel, I wish that’s what they had done in the film. But the fact that the movie made it seem as though he was righteous in his actions repulsed me.
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I know how little control you get after you sell the rights. I just hope it is cast well. Jumper, one of my favorite books, was terrible cast and dropped out some of the parts that made it so emotionally satisfying. (Davey's abusive father, his missing mother and his moral code based on their influence.)
Your book was insightful and hilarious, I hope you will get actors who can pull off both. My fear is they will go camp which might work, but will miss some of the pain under the humor of both heroes and Villains.
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That's great.
There should also be an audio-book read by Wallace Shawn. When I read it, I kept hearing Wallace Shawn.
It's a great book. I hope the movie works out.
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