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@Bootknife-Jackson: I forgot to mention this in the piece, but they actually released some Zardoz inspired designs a few years back. Totally blew my head.
I got less of an apartheid takeaway from District 9, even though it's shot in South Africa, than I did a "weapons dealers are the scum of the earth" message. I can understand some kind of quarantine required for the aliens, and so didn't jump to the apartheid analogy. But all the really horrible things done in this movie were done in the name of money for arms dealing. Sadly I found this narrative totally believable.
The social structure of the aliens was something I got early on. This was handled very well! Some of the aliens are so coarse in their behavior and limited in their comprehension of English, while Christopher was very knowledgeable about the eviction notice legalese, for example. I also appreciated the care that was taken in making the "skin" tone of the different aliens vary from one to the other. Some of them were rust-colored while others were bluish.
If you couldn't tell, I adored this movie. I really hope Christopher comes back for Wikis in a sequel! (while exacting revenge for the aliens used for vivisection).
I think the final design was absolute perfection. Some of those other pics I see are too hominid in facial features (like around the eyes).
It's hard to think outside our anthropomorphic box, and they succeeded. Yeah, they are bipedal, but who's to say that from a bioengineering standpoint, it isn't the best overall design for gravity based exolution?
@Daveinva: Same with "lateralism". If a lifeform goes through embryogenesis, it's a heck of a lot more efficient to replicate design patterns. Obviously, Humans aren't 100% bilateral. Our organs are willy nilly. But, it is "cheap" from a production standpoint to mirror objects like arms etc. It also introduces balance which makes running a heck of a lot easier.
'Disgusting'.....Well Neil you failed. And all the better for it. Ive never had more love and absolute heartbreak for such a CGI creature. My wife watched it and was upset by the banter between christopher and Wikis when he was trying to help them. I was so on the edge of my seat. Not just because of a great script..but because the aliens he had on screen had real character. Something you dont see often enough in films these days.
The only disgusting animals were the Mercenaries. When he shot that one alien through the head I really wanted to hurt the bastard!
So awesome though toward the end where the lead mercenary tried to shoot down the escaping shuttle with Christopher and Jr. on board, and Wikis, strapped into the robotic armor, reaches up and plucks the rocket from its path!
@CoffinDodger (If the typos crap. Blame my keyboard): I think he succeeded in making them appear disgusting. And I think that the fact that we were able to identify with them so well, and feel that love and heartbreak for them, despite their disgusting appearance is a further triumph of the scripting, acting, and direction.
@HeartBurnKid: Agent of R.O.A.C.H.: I kind of agree. But I personally never saw them as disgusting to look at. When I think disgusting, I think 'The Thing' or the Alien Mother producing all those sticky horrid eggs!!!
The things they did were a bit disgusting like eating cat food and the way they lived. But I think that was a by-product of how they were treated rather than there actual apperance.
Why couldnt we give them each a normal house or some regular food. Granted it was like catnip to them, im sure we could have found a nicer alternative!!
@Dr.Quatermass: On the surface, yeah, I understand what you mean, I don't think it's entirely fair to reduce it to revolting = vagina. In this instance, yes, the example given is very vaginal, but the structure and function of the mouth makes it more likely to appear vaginal than phallic (with an obvious nod to Giger's work), so that may simply be utilitarian rather than sexist/gynophobic. I think most people have a visceral (and often unpleasant) reaction to genital-like structures in unexpected places. For a somewhat silly example, see the Scammer Aliens in Futurama: Bender's Big Score, with their dangly "sprungers." Also, the prominent placement and exposure of things that strongly resemble what our culture considers private carries its own impact.
@karpar: While I understand the rationale behind it, my observation only goes as far as the initial reaction. What I mean is...
"Boss wants us to make the creatures revolting."
"Easy. Make the mouth a vagina."
There are millions of revolting things in this world, but it says something that the first thing that comes to mind is something as innocuous as a vagina.
For a movie that hides behind the ever increasing guise of "social commentary" you would think they would make that connection. And maybe they did. Maybe that is why it stayed on the drawing board.
Know this, I am no way arguing or disputing your point. In fact, I whole-heartedly agree. I guess I am just lamenting the truth behind a statement like " most people have a visceral (and often unpleasant) reaction to genital-like structures in unexpected places". Personally, I would drop those last three words.
@Perhaps Not: My point exactly. The phallus is used a lot in science fiction too. And not just for positive reinforcement. When Hollywood wants us to hate/loathe something, it tends to give it a female aura. By making something female, the vast majority of the science fiction community recoils in shock. I don't know why, conditioning, archetypes, I am in no position to say. Actually, scratch that. Hollywood uses the womb to denote comfort all the time. I guess it is just the vagina that receives all the hatred. But when Hollywood wants us to fear something, it paints it male. Geiger's alien is just a giant penis and the one spot you could compare to a vagina (the mouth) contains another smaller penis. And the thing absolutely terrorizes people. I can't say for sure but I think it has something to do with the innate invasive nature of the penis.
I am only commenting on the use of genitalia though. The way Hollywood ascribes gender in a non-sexual way is an entirely different matter that I will gracefully decline to talk about right now.
Keep in mind this is all just Monday flavored conjecture though. Hence the long posts.
P.S. - I love vaginas. Don't hate them...one...bit. ;)
@Crowbot: Am I to assume that by saying "well they are..." that you're calling vaginas revolting? Whether you're male or female, I find that thinking disturbing. Are penises revolting as well? Sorry, but vaginas are an integral part of the female body. Whether you regularly have sex with women or you are a woman, I think you should have respect for the female genitalia, for without it you'd be missing out on a lot pleasure. They may not be the most beautiful things in the world, but they serve a very important purpose. In my opinion, to call them revolting is to disrespect the female body. I'm actually hoping that you're around 12 years of age; otherwise it's scary to think that you've yet to achieve the maturity of a grown-up.
@boobaloob: I'm more that twice that age and then some and you're getting a little crazy (and personal) about this.
I'll leave you with this since I can't say what I really think in any great detail on this site (and you probably wouldn't take it very well).
@Dr.Quatermass: I dig, I dig. You're right that genitals are often the go-to visual key to revulsion, and you're right about omitting "in unexpected places" from my comment. It's unfortunate that societally we have such conflicted impulses regarding our fiddly bits. Me, I'm a fan of 'em.
@Crowbot: Whatever. Calling vaginas repulsive is this short of mysogyny in my opinion. But don't worry, just call a woman crazy when you don't agree with her. Because all women are crazy bitches, right?
Also, thanks for responding to the issue at hand. Great work!
@Mike Caprio: It's a vagina because 99 percent of concept artists working in the business are guys who were trained to create creatures within a very specific group of parameters. They are very skilled in illustrating and designing characters that generally fall within a scope of style that audiences respond to, whether it's for games, films or television. I'm a female illustrator who teaches creature design and I certainly don't disabue my students of the idea of using genitalia as a design concept. I don't necessarily think it's 'ladies parts are scarier and grodier', though. Generally, creature work I see that's phallic just ends up looking sillier because the shape of the phallus is harder to integrate in a smooth, stylized manner into a creature's physiology.
@Occula: Damn cool response. So maybe you can answer a question of mine. You say you allow your students to experiment with genitalia (oh context, you make things so fun) but is it something that you yourself teach? Meaning: is there a section in your lesson plan where you go out of your way to discuss the use of genitalia symbolism in creature design?
@boobaloob: Why should my opinion really matter all that much to you? You like 'em? Fine. I'm just convinced there had to be a better design out there.
@Dr.Quatermass: Before I reply Dr., I want you to knwo that I eat poop. Buckets of it.: Intriguing question! Yeesh, I never thought about doing that exactly. But maybe I should. I mean, I discuss symbolism, sure, but I'm always afraid of dumping too much on my students...they are a bunch of overworked Z-Brush trogs and too much academia in my lectures tends to make them fall asleep.
@Occula: I imagine it is a tricky subject to teach. On one hand, you are offering up your students a fairly watertight archetype scheme and on the other hand you are running the risk of exacerbating the gender issue, even if only by a little bit. I don't know, I was just curious if it was standard practice or not, which you did answer for me. You also gave me a good laugh too. I am no artist but a girl I ran with for a while is. Some nights I would just sort of tool around with her software, and ZBrush was one of the programs. I spent a good week just trying to create this god-awful Troll. I failed and that was that. A few months after we stopped seeing each other she called me up to tell me that my "Troll" which I had named ZBrush Troglodyte, had become her class' mascot for what not to do.
PS, that wasn't very nice of her. If she wants an example for her class of what not to do, she should just show 'em a picture of the monster from 'Cloverfield.' Snap!
@Dr.Quatermass Sc.D: Purveyor of Truth, Disseminator of Lies: Well, I still say harrumph. As a teacher I believe there is no bad artwork so long as the student is trying. But bad artwork from well-paid professionals working on multimilliondollar blockbusters? Inexcusable and worthy of derision!
@PVIII: Nick Cave... wow its almost the wrong movie for using him when you think about the themes that the director says the author thinks the movie really is all about... but then when I really think about it now... hmm yes it does make sense... viva Nick!
@sicboi: if you don't already have it, would completely recommend his and ellis' new one, White Lunar, which has some Road tracks on it, along with some random awesome stuff (all instrumental). Like this one: [www.youtube.com]
@aubreyf: I can't imagine this would beat out Harry Potter in the translation department (to pick just one of many possibilities). There's a reason why J.K. is now richer than god and McCarthy isn't.
@aubreyf:
Pretty sure it's not true Aubrey. I'm a huge book nerd, and I'd never heard of it before the movie was announced. Besides that, the book just isn't that good, to be totally honest. The painfully slow pace made "Atlas Shrugged" feel like a Michael Bay film. I'm sure people are going to disagree with me, but I say this out of contrast: how many people have you talked to that didn't like the Harry Potter books?
I am totally pissed that they are not showing this near me. I read the book and loved it so much I gave it to my mother, who also loved it and tried to get my literature challenged brother to read it. Both of us have been looking forward to seeing this for ages. Bastards. I hope they get eaten.
@LittleDragon: No place close in New Mexico? Call up your governor, isn't he trying to get more stuff filmed there? Complain that they film there, but don't screen the movies!
@Ruthless, If you let me: Filmed here and shown here are two very different things. I don't think he has any say in what movies the theaters show here and I don't know who to talk to at the theaters. But you did just give me an idea about an art house theater. I will try calling them. Thanks for the inspiration.
@LittleDragon: Ah, but he could give tax breaks to movie theatres too, not just movie production companies...More theatres = more options? Good luck with the art house theater.
@kosai: SWEET. I thought I was all alone. What are you studying at UNM? We should have an Io9 get together. I think there was one other New Mexican, but she is down at State.
@kosai: Give me a heads up when you get back and we'll set something up. What are you studying at UNM? Been down to Roswell twice. Both times everything was closed.
I cannot find my copy of this book and it is driving me crazy. I never finished reading it and now I can't find it. I want to read it before I watch the movie but it looks like that isn't going to happen.
@sicboi: I am getting my wife one for Christmas but me personally, I have a thing for books. Can't explain it but I just like the feel of a book, it's one of the main reasons I don't like online schools (there are several others though). I will find it somewhere hanging out with my missing thumb drive.
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i just noticed, you have a Zardoz head too! +2 to you!
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The social structure of the aliens was something I got early on. This was handled very well! Some of the aliens are so coarse in their behavior and limited in their comprehension of English, while Christopher was very knowledgeable about the eviction notice legalese, for example. I also appreciated the care that was taken in making the "skin" tone of the different aliens vary from one to the other. Some of them were rust-colored while others were bluish.
If you couldn't tell, I adored this movie. I really hope Christopher comes back for Wikis in a sequel! (while exacting revenge for the aliens used for vivisection).
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It's hard to think outside our anthropomorphic box, and they succeeded. Yeah, they are bipedal, but who's to say that from a bioengineering standpoint, it isn't the best overall design for gravity based exolution?
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In the pantheon of possible exobiological evolutionary adaptions common with humanity, bipedalism is one of the least-far-fetched.
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The only disgusting animals were the Mercenaries. When he shot that one alien through the head I really wanted to hurt the bastard!
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So awesome though toward the end where the lead mercenary tried to shoot down the escaping shuttle with Christopher and Jr. on board, and Wikis, strapped into the robotic armor, reaches up and plucks the rocket from its path!
12/08/09
District 9 was just a masterwork all around.
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The things they did were a bit disgusting like eating cat food and the way they lived. But I think that was a by-product of how they were treated rather than there actual apperance.
Why couldnt we give them each a normal house or some regular food. Granted it was like catnip to them, im sure we could have found a nicer alternative!!
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Fancy words for someone who thinks the word "revolting" translates to "vagina."
I imagine Freud would have a field day with the concept art for this flick.
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"Boss wants us to make the creatures revolting."
"Easy. Make the mouth a vagina."
There are millions of revolting things in this world, but it says something that the first thing that comes to mind is something as innocuous as a vagina.
For a movie that hides behind the ever increasing guise of "social commentary" you would think they would make that connection. And maybe they did. Maybe that is why it stayed on the drawing board.
Know this, I am no way arguing or disputing your point. In fact, I whole-heartedly agree. I guess I am just lamenting the truth behind a statement like " most people have a visceral (and often unpleasant) reaction to genital-like structures in unexpected places". Personally, I would drop those last three words.
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I am only commenting on the use of genitalia though. The way Hollywood ascribes gender in a non-sexual way is an entirely different matter that I will gracefully decline to talk about right now.
Keep in mind this is all just Monday flavored conjecture though. Hence the long posts.
P.S. - I love vaginas. Don't hate them...one...bit. ;)
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I'll leave you with this since I can't say what I really think in any great detail on this site (and you probably wouldn't take it very well).
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Also, thanks for responding to the issue at hand. Great work!
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I think that @Mike Caprio's
"Why is it always a vagina?"
Is just the most fantastic 'on-the-point-of-dying, after being-shot(sic)' running-joke catchphrase, for a future science fiction film ....
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Made me laugh.
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PS, that wasn't very nice of her. If she wants an example for her class of what not to do, she should just show 'em a picture of the monster from 'Cloverfield.' Snap!
12/10/09
She was a terse girl, I'll say that much but in her defense, my troll was absolutely atrocious. And not in a good way.
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Did you see me escaping? I was all... Whoopwhoopwhoopwhoopwhoop!
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That being said, Nick Cave and Warren Ellis' score is fucking brilliant (as usual).
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Pretty sure it's not true Aubrey. I'm a huge book nerd, and I'd never heard of it before the movie was announced. Besides that, the book just isn't that good, to be totally honest. The painfully slow pace made "Atlas Shrugged" feel like a Michael Bay film. I'm sure people are going to disagree with me, but I say this out of contrast: how many people have you talked to that didn't like the Harry Potter books?
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I was born in a small mining town out in Navajo country.
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30 years being the last time anyone lived in Milan or Grants.
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(apologizing to Meredith who does a great interview and then just gets ridiculous comments like the above)
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I DEMAND BARBECUED INFANT
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I say that if it was in the book, it should be in the movie!!! BRING ON TEH BBQ BABY RIGHT NAO!!!!!!
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