Why do I get the feeling that the people saying Kelly's a subpar writer and Donnie Darko was pedantic and shallow are the same ones who prefer Ratner's vision of X-Men over Singer's?
Fellahs, just because you don't "get" a genre film doesn't mean there's nothing there to be had. #thebox
@ifsogirl81: I'm well aware of that dear. However, one could make a case that it be included in the 'Mythos' (and of course they would be wrong) even though it added nothing, and if anything, made it feel even more muddled. #thebox
Hmmm. I think it's a stretch to call this a "mythos."
I never got around to seeing Darko until last year. I still managed to go in rather blind, but even then, it didn't floor me. I can see how it would appeal to a disgruntled teenager, but as a movie, it was merely okay.
That said, I loved the cameos (especially Swayze), and until they go ahead and ruin it with taking the head off, the evil rabbit costume was one of the creepiest things on film in a long time.
@schrodingers-katana: That's a good way to look at it, although I don't really buy into it. In Darko, Frank was already dead, so the loss of the eye is small change, relatively speaking. In Soutland Tales, I don't think the twin who lost his eye was the one who actually understood what was happening at the end. Not like either of them really seemed to understand. Heck, not like the audience understood what the heck was going on at that point. #thebox
So when do the weird ideas a creative person is obsessed with become upgraded to "mythos" status. The ideas incorporated into the fiction of HP Lovecraft were only deemed a "mythos" when other writers started using them. Someone else made the sequel to Donnie Darko but I am not sure one movie outside of Kelly's own body of work makes a "mythos". #thebox
@Bill-Lee: Oh, I forgot to even touch on the first definition of "mythos", which basically states the fact that mythos is simply an abbreviated version of mythology; which can be established/created in a single work. #thebox
@Bill-Lee: Had to be safe, seeing as there are like ten comments on this thread now trying to dispute the use of the word mythos in regard to Kelly and Donnie Darko, which gives the impression that a lot of people do not know the definition. #thebox
@Darklighter: It's at the top of my "Morbid Curiosity" list - the movies that are supposed to be dreadful, but so dreadful that I want to see just how bad they really are. #thebox
@tande04: That's why I watched Battlefield Earth, and WOW, it did it beat my expectations for awfulness. It is the low water mark against which I will measure all future film drek. #thebox
@Darklighter: Duly noted... I was actually considering an event, where we watch Southland Tales and the Happening, with perhaps an encore presentation of Battlefield Earth for those not yet lucky enough to see it.
I have seen neither Donnie Darko nor Southland Tales, but I'm intrigued by The Box.
Should I watch those two first, or will I enjoy The Box on its own? Are those two movies as good as I hear and as your analysis suggests?
I'm swamped with stuff to watch (I watch a lot of TV shows and I have a list of movies awaiting my attention). I guess what I'm really asking is: are those two earlier movies the kind of movies that I will remember and cherish for a long time? #thebox
@Roklimber: Donnie Darko, maybe. For me, it ranks up there as one of my favorite movies, but I know it doesn't always work for everybody. But do yourself a favor and don't watch the director's cut, which strips away some of the mystery and adds some cheesy special effects transitions. If you really want everything explained (or aren't satisfied with the one you come up with), just watch the commentary on the standard version.
I haven't watched Southland Tales, but many people thought it was terrible, although a few say underrated. I've been meaning to give it a chance.
Anyway, you probably don't need to watch either before The Box, and maybe you shouldn't, just b/c of altered expectations. Still, even if you really hate The Box, don't let that keep you from giving Donnie Darko a chance. #thebox
@Roklimber: I've never heard Southland tales referred to as a good movie honestly.
Either way I don't think you're going to really get any more or any less out of the box if you see either of them. This sets up pretty well any "connections" that there might be through them. #thebox
@Roklimber: Seriously I second wanion. Don't watch the Directors Cut of Donnie Darko. It It adds in a bunch of extra stuff that ruin the movie. Like highlander 2, or the last x-files movie, your better off without seeing it. #thebox
@gryftir: Ok, rather than thank every person who shares his or her opinion, one at a time, I'll write a general TIAE (Thanks In Advance Everyone). #thebox
@Roklimber: to make your list a little bit longer, watch Bicentennial Man. [www.imdb.com]
surprisingly good and something most visitors to this site would enjoy and probably haven't seen. #thebox
@bonniegrrl: I'm debating seeing the Box in theatre or wait till DvDownload, and I'm wondering how open to interpretation this film will be. In your opinion would it be closer to Darko or Tales? #thebox
You could have mentioned video games as well, in which case Alone in the Dark (the 1993 original) and Eternal Darkness would definitely be my top picks.
There is a Library of America volume on Lovecraft, with about 25 stories. Many libraries that wouldn't carry the pulp versions got the LOA book as part of a series. It's a nice intro to Lovecraft. #hplovecraft
Also to note, the Metallica instrumental "Call of Cthulhu" from the Ride The Lightning album makes for a great record to play on Halloween when the kiddies come to ransack your goodies #hplovecraft
I think because so much of Lovecraft's work is about atmosphere, elaborate genealogical back stories, landscapes, personal obsessions, and struggling to find the words to describe indescribable things, that translating any of these works to film has been such a universal failure. It's either too subtle and filmmakers want to hit people over the head, or give their own personal unimaginative, irrelevant, unnecessary spin on a story.
Call of Cthulhu short is probably the best. Lovecraft is best experienced by reading his work. (Same with the lesser and seemingly ignored Clark Ashton Smith.)
I'd be remiss not to mention Thomas Ligotti, who started out imitating Lovecraft's style albeit with tighter, less verbose writing and some really abstract horrors. #hplovecraft
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Fellahs, just because you don't "get" a genre film doesn't mean there's nothing there to be had. #thebox
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I never got around to seeing Darko until last year. I still managed to go in rather blind, but even then, it didn't floor me. I can see how it would appeal to a disgruntled teenager, but as a movie, it was merely okay.
That said, I loved the cameos (especially Swayze), and until they go ahead and ruin it with taking the head off, the evil rabbit costume was one of the creepiest things on film in a long time.
Evil rabbits are evil.
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Oh, and lots and lots of alcohol. #thebox
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now you made me want to see it. #thebox
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I have seen neither Donnie Darko nor Southland Tales, but I'm intrigued by The Box.
Should I watch those two first, or will I enjoy The Box on its own? Are those two movies as good as I hear and as your analysis suggests?
I'm swamped with stuff to watch (I watch a lot of TV shows and I have a list of movies awaiting my attention). I guess what I'm really asking is: are those two earlier movies the kind of movies that I will remember and cherish for a long time? #thebox
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I haven't watched Southland Tales, but many people thought it was terrible, although a few say underrated. I've been meaning to give it a chance.
Anyway, you probably don't need to watch either before The Box, and maybe you shouldn't, just b/c of altered expectations. Still, even if you really hate The Box, don't let that keep you from giving Donnie Darko a chance. #thebox
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Either way I don't think you're going to really get any more or any less out of the box if you see either of them. This sets up pretty well any "connections" that there might be through them. #thebox
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Thanks for sharing your view. #thebox
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Its still worth giving a chance.
I enjoy it on a certain level. Through part of it I did sit and say "this isn't bad, maybe just underrated" but it falls apart pretty quick. #thebox
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[www.imdb.com]
surprisingly good and something most visitors to this site would enjoy and probably haven't seen. #thebox
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Thank you for this! #thebox
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[www.amazon.ca]
they're trade editions, so they're a nice size to carry and read.
"The Color Out of Space," is practically BEGGING to be filmed...why no joy?
Also, "The Quest of Iranon" (IIRC) is a marvelous fable about the power of faith in oneself. #hplovecraft
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Call of Cthulhu short is probably the best. Lovecraft is best experienced by reading his work. (Same with the lesser and seemingly ignored Clark Ashton Smith.)
I'd be remiss not to mention Thomas Ligotti, who started out imitating Lovecraft's style albeit with tighter, less verbose writing and some really abstract horrors. #hplovecraft
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