Thanks to the ending of BSG I feel the entire Caprica series a pointless thing and have no interest in it whatsoever. I could not be PAID to watch it. #caprica
@Alessar: If any of the show's producers or creators are reading this, I will gladly be PAID to watch. In all seriousness, most prequels are pointless unless they teach us something about the backstory of characters we've come to love. This does none of that.
Sounds like Bionic Woman... sorry, but I had hopes for that show. Too many chefs in the kitchen as Michelle Ryan said. Hope this does not happen to Caprica. #caprica
Sounds like nobody knows what the hell they're doing, and Espenson was clearly waaaay over her head as a producer. Having her spend more time on writing may or may not be good, YMMV.
It's too bad Siffy didn't have the balls to stick with Aubuchon's original idea rather than trying to graft it into BSG like some Dr. Moreau experiment. They would have saved themselves a lot of time and money and all this hassle, and it would have been better creatively. #caprica
@Evil Tortie's Mom: R.O.A.C.H.: "It's too bad Siffy didn't have the balls to stick with Aubuchon's original idea rather than trying to graft it into BSG like some Dr. Moreau experiment. They would have saved themselves a lot of time and money and all this hassle, and it would have been better creatively."
Yeah this pretty much sums it up, I think -- although I still think Caprica could be pretty fascinating. The pilot was better than I'd expected it to be. #caprica
@EBone: God no. A Show about the first war would just be the same thing we've seen before, but with less of the crazy philisophical and metaphysical stuff. It'd just be stuff exploding.
In the span of the piolt of Caprica, we've had, Religous extreamisim in both violent and non-violent forms. We've had suicide and murder, we've had obsession, paranoia and questions about what it means to be human, and if we are truely who we are because of us, or because of what we've done.
Personally, I find Caprica to be a more compelling concept, than anything else this past couple of years with the notible exception of Dollhouse.
this does not bode well. here's Wikipedia's definition of a showrunner:
The term "show runner" was created to identify the producer who actually held ultimate management and creative authority for the program. The blog (and book) Crafty Screenwriting defines showrunner as "the person responsible for all creative aspects of the show, and responsible only to the network (and production company, if it's not his production company). The boss. Usually a writer."
musical on heathers is a piece of poop.why not write a new musical ? oh i forgot in musical land they are also out of new ideas like hollywood.
caprica is such a soap opera and i have a big dislike for those.i watched that pilot and i will watch the show but i thought it was not my cup of tea. #caprica
I agree with other commenters that Caprica seems better suited to be it's own series, not related to BSG. That said, I think it's suffering from some of the same wtf-ery that BSG did towards the end of it's run. The writers did a very good job of improvising the plot through the first few seasons, but their lack of a preestablished arc came back to bite them at the end. A lot of the fan speculation about how the series would end was way better than what the showrunners came up with. Caprica's pilot showed signs of this. I mean really? The cylon AI was invented by a teen who uploaded all of her medical records, and school grades from the internet? Huh!? How does that make a personality. Sorry I don't buy it at all. They could have come up with something way better than that. It's like they didn't learn anything from the fans reactions to the end of BSG.
espenson is awful. she really is. there is a direct correlation between when she joined the the BSG staff and when it jumped the shark.
i'm only sad that she's not completely gone. i dont think anyone but the nuttiest of the whedon acolytes really appreciate anything she's had a hand in.
i still won't watch caprica regardless, however. #caprica
@putch: Guess your not a fan of Warehous 13 seeing how she writes for that too. Hmm, must be a lot of nutty Whedon acolytes for W13 to be SyFy's highest rated show ever. #caprica
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@brentbent: C.O.C.K.R.O.A.C.H. )for all the queer super villians out there(: I'm not understanding all of the Espenson hate around here. Warehouse 13 was one of the better series to premiere this year. I wasn't too fond of those season 4 BSG webisodes she did with Gaeta, but otherwise, I enjoy her writing. #caprica
we've been saying for weeks: Jane Espenson is a hack writer, she only joined BSG *after* it was a hit, and indeed, her addition marked its decline in quality (one of several factors, though)
Yes, there were problems in the writers room, as it became increasingly clear that Espenson is *at best* someone to accept a script from, not someone you want in a position of authority on your show.
**RARELY do writers-room problems simply fall into the background; i.e. how Bionic Woman shifted executive producers 3 times before it even aired.
Even if you liked Espenson, this is bad news for Caprica.
And good news for those of us that wanted BSG to end with dignity, not strung out on life-support like the interminable Voyager-Enterprise years. #caprica
I really wish this show will work better if there is less emphasis on it being in the same setting as BSG.
Yes, we ultimately know what is going to happen, and yes, it will share a certain aesthetic with BSG, but I think it going to very much be its own show, and I welcome that. If it ends up reflecting what I saw in the pilot, I'll be very content.
All of that isn't to say it could fail, of course. But I think given the meaty themes, it will be an interesting failure even if that happens. #caprica
@DisturbingClown: It *was* a different show: Remi Aubochon's original pilot. Indeed...I kind of like the Eric Stoltz stuff; the Adam family stuff seems just shamelessly tacked on to somehow make it "BSG"; it would have done better as a separate show. #caprica
I don't know - I actually look forward to the series, and I think the pilot was excellent.
We're learning a whole bunch of things, such as why the Cylons were mining human bodyparts in the first cylon war - because they wanted to make bodies, more than that. Zoe Graystone, or whoever came after, was trapped in a virtual world. The way Zoe remains trapped afterwards, the discrimination she faces, the abandonment, is probably going to feed into the alienation, resentment and thus hatred of the cylons. We're getting their motive, and this perspective is a lot more interesting than that given in BSG by various elements, such as Athena's "you have not proven you deserve to exist" or Cavil's "we need to kill them or they'll kill us". What we're getting from Zoe Graystone's isolation and alienation is that the Cylon hatred is something the humans brought on themselves, a fractal-like representation of the entire enterprise.
The pilot was excellent, and was on the quality level of vintage BSG. A lot happened in the episode, it explored the characters, it was dark, the narrative was a sequence of difficult choices followed by their consequences. #caprica
Be honest, remember when you first heard the phrase, "You fought in the Clone Wars?" you imagined it to be a whole lot cooler in your head than it turned out to be on film (or cartoon, or comic, or breakfast cereal, or...)
Same principle here. I liked the Cylons most when I understood their motivations the least. #caprica
@Daveinva: That's good when setting up a monster, but this is expanded universe you can't keep up all the mysteries forever. They will probably be setting up new ones.
I don't agree with your analogy to the clone wars. That analogy is dependent on the fact the prequel movies were not done with the same quality as the original trilogy, which was not inevitable. As a counterexample: lots of things were discussed/revealed in Timothy Zahn's trilogy. #caprica
Knowing how BSG ended, I don't really care about Caprica - the planet, not the series. We know that Caprica was just the latest instance of people making robot slaves. Final 5 show up and end the war and in their great wisdom create a bunch of humanoid cylon 'children' one of whom is enough a vain prick to cause a genocide just to fulfill an ultimately futile and disappointing Oedipal fantasy with Lady MacBeth. Ok... fine, whatever. I'd rather know about the original earth. That seems much more interesting to me. #caprica
This weekend on the ol' iTunes I played a few tracks off the BSG soundtracks for Season 2 and 3. "Prelude to War" and "Storming New Caprica," in particular.
It made me sad, because I remember how much I absolutely, positively LOVED that show. When it clicked, it clicked.
Yes, the ending... let's NOT re-open that debate, okay?
I bring this up because Caprica is simply non-essential, and it's a shame. The talent is there, I really enjoyed the BSG universe... but why? Why bother with any of it anymore?
This isn't a case of prequel bitching. I happen to think a lot can be done with prequels, I'm never going to hate them out of hand. It's like complaining that Band of Brothers is a prequel to Blackhawk Down-- ummm, the world has a history, there are more stories to tell.
But in the case of Caprica, given the unambiguous ending to BSG, I'm just not at all interested in the story they have to tell.
And I hate that, because I really miss how excited I used to get for BSG, and wish there would be a show that I'd get the geeky-giddy over again... #caprica
@Daveinva: yes, many of us only watched through the very end of BSG, after New Caprica, just out of a warped sense of obligation. And when it ended, I wasn't "hungry for more"; it was like a burden was over and I was finally free; like finishing a Shymalan movie and going "thank god, now they've finally revealed the stupid twist, now can we please go?"...except there wasn't even that much of a twist (unless "God did it, and the Cylons never had a coherent plan, and we picked the Final Five based on shock value mid-season 3 rather than plot logic" counts as a "twist") #caprica
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Thanks to the ending of BSG I feel the entire Caprica series a pointless thing and have no interest in it whatsoever. I could not be PAID to watch it. #caprica
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It's too bad Siffy didn't have the balls to stick with Aubuchon's original idea rather than trying to graft it into BSG like some Dr. Moreau experiment. They would have saved themselves a lot of time and money and all this hassle, and it would have been better creatively. #caprica
11/16/09
Yeah this pretty much sums it up, I think -- although I still think Caprica could be pretty fascinating. The pilot was better than I'd expected it to be. #caprica
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In the span of the piolt of Caprica, we've had, Religous extreamisim in both violent and non-violent forms. We've had suicide and murder, we've had obsession, paranoia and questions about what it means to be human, and if we are truely who we are because of us, or because of what we've done.
Personally, I find Caprica to be a more compelling concept, than anything else this past couple of years with the notible exception of Dollhouse.
Plus, the prototype Cylons look awesome. #caprica
11/16/09
The term "show runner" was created to identify the producer who actually held ultimate management and creative authority for the program. The blog (and book) Crafty Screenwriting defines showrunner as "the person responsible for all creative aspects of the show, and responsible only to the network (and production company, if it's not his production company). The boss. Usually a writer."
Take a look at his credentials HERE:
[www.imdb.com]
Caprica is doomed. #caprica
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caprica is such a soap opera and i have a big dislike for those.i watched that pilot and i will watch the show but i thought it was not my cup of tea. #caprica
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i'm only sad that she's not completely gone. i dont think anyone but the nuttiest of the whedon acolytes really appreciate anything she's had a hand in.
i still won't watch caprica regardless, however. #caprica
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we've been saying for weeks: Jane Espenson is a hack writer, she only joined BSG *after* it was a hit, and indeed, her addition marked its decline in quality (one of several factors, though)
Yes, there were problems in the writers room, as it became increasingly clear that Espenson is *at best* someone to accept a script from, not someone you want in a position of authority on your show.
**RARELY do writers-room problems simply fall into the background; i.e. how Bionic Woman shifted executive producers 3 times before it even aired.
Even if you liked Espenson, this is bad news for Caprica.
And good news for those of us that wanted BSG to end with dignity, not strung out on life-support like the interminable Voyager-Enterprise years. #caprica
11/16/09
11/16/09
Yes, we ultimately know what is going to happen, and yes, it will share a certain aesthetic with BSG, but I think it going to very much be its own show, and I welcome that. If it ends up reflecting what I saw in the pilot, I'll be very content.
All of that isn't to say it could fail, of course. But I think given the meaty themes, it will be an interesting failure even if that happens. #caprica
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We're learning a whole bunch of things, such as why the Cylons were mining human bodyparts in the first cylon war - because they wanted to make bodies, more than that. Zoe Graystone, or whoever came after, was trapped in a virtual world. The way Zoe remains trapped afterwards, the discrimination she faces, the abandonment, is probably going to feed into the alienation, resentment and thus hatred of the cylons. We're getting their motive, and this perspective is a lot more interesting than that given in BSG by various elements, such as Athena's "you have not proven you deserve to exist" or Cavil's "we need to kill them or they'll kill us". What we're getting from Zoe Graystone's isolation and alienation is that the Cylon hatred is something the humans brought on themselves, a fractal-like representation of the entire enterprise.
The pilot was excellent, and was on the quality level of vintage BSG. A lot happened in the episode, it explored the characters, it was dark, the narrative was a sequence of difficult choices followed by their consequences. #caprica
11/16/09
Be honest, remember when you first heard the phrase, "You fought in the Clone Wars?" you imagined it to be a whole lot cooler in your head than it turned out to be on film (or cartoon, or comic, or breakfast cereal, or...)
Same principle here. I liked the Cylons most when I understood their motivations the least. #caprica
11/16/09
I don't agree with your analogy to the clone wars. That analogy is dependent on the fact the prequel movies were not done with the same quality as the original trilogy, which was not inevitable. As a counterexample: lots of things were discussed/revealed in Timothy Zahn's trilogy. #caprica
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It made me sad, because I remember how much I absolutely, positively LOVED that show. When it clicked, it clicked.
Yes, the ending... let's NOT re-open that debate, okay?
I bring this up because Caprica is simply non-essential, and it's a shame. The talent is there, I really enjoyed the BSG universe... but why? Why bother with any of it anymore?
This isn't a case of prequel bitching. I happen to think a lot can be done with prequels, I'm never going to hate them out of hand. It's like complaining that Band of Brothers is a prequel to Blackhawk Down-- ummm, the world has a history, there are more stories to tell.
But in the case of Caprica, given the unambiguous ending to BSG, I'm just not at all interested in the story they have to tell.
And I hate that, because I really miss how excited I used to get for BSG, and wish there would be a show that I'd get the geeky-giddy over again... #caprica
11/16/09