Newsflash: People like the things they like. Why do people like the things they like? Because they like them!
Maybe it's a character. Maybe it's a setting. Maybe it's how the story reflects on the human condition or society or whatever. Maybe it's the cool-ass spaceships. Point is, people like the things they like.
When there is the opportunity to take in new stories in the context of those things they like, people go for it. That desire for a continuing narrative the foundational premise of a TV or comic book series. In fact, that's the core fault of this whole rant: each new movie, comic, TV series, reboot and reimagining IS new.
Not letting go of the past is me sitting here watching Frankenstein, his bride, son, ghost and house over and over again and only interrupting it long enough to play 8-bit Nintendo. It's not franchises that are predicated on an inability to give up the past: it's museums.
Franchise players desperately crave the new. That's why Hollywood is happy to oblige them with shiny new sequels and remakes. The only point of distinction is that they want the new in the context of the known. That is to say, they want new things of what they like. Once it genuinely does start getting old, that's when it tanks, loses money, goes off the air, gets cancelled.
There's also a push from studios to turn everything into a Franchise. They no longer want one-offs, a friend in TV told me a few years ago. They want sequels and series potential.
Well, for Farscape, the story didn't get to finish on TV. And Rockne O'Bannon and Brian Henson have been saying all along there was more to come and we'd get to see it eventually. And now we get to see some it.
To quote a really old comic "We have met the enemy and they are us" We can't let go because we fear change sometimes. We all want our comfy blue blanky .
I first saw Star Wars in the 70s when I was in my 20s and still hang on. I'm just as bad as every one else
It's because we're never really happy with the ending. Sometimes we just don't want it to end (Buffy) and we're obsessed with "what happened next". Sometimes we never really got an ending (Jerico) and need some closure. Sometimes, well, we're just not happy with the ending (BSG).
As sure as I'm sitting here, I'm sure someone, somewhere, is writing BSG fan-fic where Adama et-al chose not to (verb) all the (nouns) into the (proper noun) and (verb) where they were. And thats OK.
please do not let Charmed be re-imagined and re-launched. although, yes, I did watch it the first time around; I do not believe society is ready for that level of repeat yet.
I think for the specific case of Canceled TV Show->comic it's simply a matter of the creators not being done with their creation yet and finding a medium with more freedom to tell the stories they want with less concern over appealing to the numbers a TV show on a network demands. How many Buffy viewers have bought season 8 comics? My guess is it's only a small percentage but that's OK because a comic book doesn't need to sell as many copies as a TV show needs viewers. Filmed media (TV shows, movies) are outrageously expensive to produce and thus require huge audiences to remain viable. Comic books can be done much cheaper and conversely, tell larger stories. So the core audience that are willing to migrate to another format will follow while the casual fans probably won't.
@DragonsDream: This is true and I approve of this happening more, though I am not much of a comic person. But I think that if 3 things are there, 1 there is more story to tell, 2 the fans want it, 3 the creators want it, then we should have more stories come out in a cheaper medium.
Now I don't know how successful moving from tv/movie to comic has been but maybe it can show movie studios that moving one property from one medium to another can get them more money IF they stick to the source. I know Transformers and GI Joe seem to say you can do it badly and make money but those I'm sure will fizzle out while something done right like Iron Man will yield reward in the long run.
And that's not even counting the Firefly devotees dreaming of one more fan-service flop.
Knowing that that's not entirely fair, I have noticed scifi and fantasy fans seem to flock to the familiar. Far from exploring strange new worlds, they will watch the most wretched dreck if it has the right people in it. I'm counting myself as part of the phenomenon. I've bought shit just because Bruce Campbell is in it. I gave Journeyman, which I thought actually turned out to be rather interesting, a chance because I loved Kevin McKidd in Rome. That said, I've seen way too many fans enjoy shit that, with a newcomer or in a different story universe, they wouldn't accept. I think part of it must be familiarity, and the comfort it brings. And we're quick to criticize that in others whose fandoms we don't share, though I think everybody flocks to old comforts periodically.
@redqueenmeg: and Summer Glau cold be Boomer, Adam Baldwin Helo, etc, etc...
Hmm... Alan Tudyk would make a good cylon. And Christina Hendricks would be a good Six, righy? Maybe you're onto something. I just wonder whou could play Romo Lampkin.
"I'm worried that, ultimately, it's laziness. Not only laziness on the side of creators, but also on the side of fans; for the creators, resurrecting an old franchise seems like a no-brainer..."
It is "the path of least resistance". But our old favorites becoming new media products (ie. tv to comics) are generally appreciated for the novelty, not treading new ground.
I'm not certain if -new- fans are made from these continuations of storyline. It's more marketing to squeeze more money out of the Long Tail of super-fans who will drop money on the franchise no matter what.
@gods-n-clods: Of course it's laziness. But I think it's more on the side of the content providers than the fans. Bionic Woman and Knight Rider died because they were bad. Yeah, I watched an episode or two, then I gave it up because it sucked. I was prepared to think the same of BSG, but I was very pleasantly surprised by the miniseries and blown away by "33."
Really, it's also a matter of laziness on the part of the market research departments: "BSG did well? they must want remakes of campy '70's SF!" so you get Bionic Woman and Knight Rider without anybody bothering to ask why BSG is successful.
@Dr Emilio Lizardo: True, regarding the market research departments. A long history of the inability to key in on cultural movements, in favor of question/panel demographic shenanigans. Wildy ineffective sometimes.
@kivel: Don't you ever wonder about stuff like that? Every time it's late at night and I'm scrolling through the cable listings, I think, hey, whatever that movie is, there is at least ONE PERSON on the planet for whom it is their FAVORITE MOVIE EVER. There has to be.
@kivel: Very big with the flying motorcycle crowd. Their numbers are few, but they own more Galactica 1980 and MegaForce merch than you would think possible.
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Who we are is largely determined by our experiences and memories.
We can't let go of the past, because we are the past.
-Kle.
08/23/09
Maybe it's a character. Maybe it's a setting. Maybe it's how the story reflects on the human condition or society or whatever. Maybe it's the cool-ass spaceships. Point is, people like the things they like.
When there is the opportunity to take in new stories in the context of those things they like, people go for it. That desire for a continuing narrative the foundational premise of a TV or comic book series. In fact, that's the core fault of this whole rant: each new movie, comic, TV series, reboot and reimagining IS new.
Not letting go of the past is me sitting here watching Frankenstein, his bride, son, ghost and house over and over again and only interrupting it long enough to play 8-bit Nintendo. It's not franchises that are predicated on an inability to give up the past: it's museums.
Franchise players desperately crave the new. That's why Hollywood is happy to oblige them with shiny new sequels and remakes. The only point of distinction is that they want the new in the context of the known. That is to say, they want new things of what they like. Once it genuinely does start getting old, that's when it tanks, loses money, goes off the air, gets cancelled.
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I first saw Star Wars in the 70s when I was in my 20s and still hang on. I'm just as bad as every one else
08/23/09
As sure as I'm sitting here, I'm sure someone, somewhere, is writing BSG fan-fic where Adama et-al chose not to (verb) all the (nouns) into the (proper noun) and (verb) where they were. And thats OK.
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Now I don't know how successful moving from tv/movie to comic has been but maybe it can show movie studios that moving one property from one medium to another can get them more money IF they stick to the source. I know Transformers and GI Joe seem to say you can do it badly and make money but those I'm sure will fizzle out while something done right like Iron Man will yield reward in the long run.
08/23/09
TRON with Zombies?
Now that would be cool!
08/23/09
Knowing that that's not entirely fair, I have noticed scifi and fantasy fans seem to flock to the familiar. Far from exploring strange new worlds, they will watch the most wretched dreck if it has the right people in it. I'm counting myself as part of the phenomenon. I've bought shit just because Bruce Campbell is in it. I gave Journeyman, which I thought actually turned out to be rather interesting, a chance because I loved Kevin McKidd in Rome. That said, I've seen way too many fans enjoy shit that, with a newcomer or in a different story universe, they wouldn't accept. I think part of it must be familiarity, and the comfort it brings. And we're quick to criticize that in others whose fandoms we don't share, though I think everybody flocks to old comforts periodically.
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Hmm... Alan Tudyk would make a good cylon. And Christina Hendricks would be a good Six, righy? Maybe you're onto something. I just wonder whou could play Romo Lampkin.
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It is "the path of least resistance". But our old favorites becoming new media products (ie. tv to comics) are generally appreciated for the novelty, not treading new ground.
I'm not certain if -new- fans are made from these continuations of storyline. It's more marketing to squeeze more money out of the Long Tail of super-fans who will drop money on the franchise no matter what.
08/23/09
Really, it's also a matter of laziness on the part of the market research departments: "BSG did well? they must want remakes of campy '70's SF!" so you get Bionic Woman and Knight Rider without anybody bothering to ask why BSG is successful.
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So yeah, I'm sure someone did!
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