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    Image of Davio Davio
    11/24/09

    In reply to Read Kirk's Unseen Appearance in Star Trek For Yourself
    I would have liked that, it was honestly very well written. Would have been nice!
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    Image of Bill-Lee Bill-Lee
    11/24/09

    In reply to Read Kirk's Unseen Appearance in Star Trek For Yourself
    Having both Shatner and Nimoy would have been too much. I think they had to make a choice and they chose correctly. Spock was connected to the plot and Nero's needlessly complicated revenge, Kirk was not. The Shatner monologue would have seemed tacked on, especially the way it was written as a holographic projection. Spock Prime traveled back in time by accident, why would he have such a trinket with him?

    At the same time, maybe they should have had Shatner record the scene so they could have cut down on some of the grousing from his corner. At least he could say that yes they filmed a scene with him but cut it for time.
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    Image of Hunter2458 Hunter2458
    11/24/09

    @Bill-Lee: Actually, I think it's more of a memory from Spock Prime, missing his old friend.
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    Image of Bill-Lee Bill-Lee
    11/24/09

    @Hunter2458: I actually read the scene on TrekMovie.com which has more of it, including the description of Shatner-Kirk's words being delivered by a holographic Kirk emitted by a holo-emitter. [trekmovie.com]

    #calendar
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    Image of Hunter2458 Hunter2458
    11/24/09

    @Bill-Lee: Ah, well that's just sorta silly, but if it were how I thought it was it probably would've worked really well.

    #tips
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    Image of twophrasebark twophrasebark
    11/24/09

    In reply to Read Kirk's Unseen Appearance in Star Trek For Yourself
    And we STOP ON WILLIAM SHATNER. Pretending to be Chris Pine. The new crew looks confused.

    FEDERATION COMMANDANT
    Who are you?

    SHATNER
    It's me! Kirk. Give me the keys. We're going to the second to star to the right and straight on till morning.

    FEDERATION COMMANDANT
    You're not Kirk.

    Shatner headbutts Tyler Perry.

    SHATNER
    I don't believe in the no-win scenario.

    We cut to Chris Pine gagged and bound in a Starfleet bathroom making muffled noises. We again hear SABOTAGE and cut to the Enterprise warping away.
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    Image of twophrasebark twophrasebark
    11/24/09

    We cut to Spock Prime who is having a mochachino in the spacedock STARBUCKS. He is suddenly overcome by a feeling that his old friend has returned. He watches the Enterprise roar out of spacedock.

    SPOCK PRIME
    Close enough.
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    Image of cletar cletar
    11/24/09

    @twophrasebark:

    SPOCK PRIME turns around, and we see his face. He has a goatee.

    SPOCK PRIME laughs. Fade out.
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    Image of Smeagol92055 Smeagol92055
    11/24/09

    @twophrasebark: @cletar: BRILLIANT! BOTH OF YOU!
    Seriously, someone get these guys on the writing crew for the sequel.
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    Image of cletar cletar
    11/24/09

    In reply to Read Kirk's Unseen Appearance in Star Trek For Yourself
    By the end of the movie, I had more or less accepted the new people, so to be suddenly reminded of the original crew and continuity by a Shatner voice-over would have been jarring.

    Now, having the crew assembly in the space dock with the Enterprise in the background--I would have like that better than the auditorium scene they actually had.
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    Image of Twisk Twisk
    11/24/09

    @cletar: Agreed. This would have been fan service, nothing more - would have felt jarring.

    But I didn't like Nemoy's voice over at the end of the film either. It was time to hear Pine/Kirk say the words. I guess it was a passing of the torch from one series cast to the next.

    Geesh, we've now had three passing of the torch moments in Star Trek films.

    Star Trek VI - at the end Kirk corrects himself by saying, "...where no man, where no one has gone before" [a nice subtle, non-in-your-face passing of the torch to the next generation series].

    Star Trek Generations - Well, the previous passing of the torch was too subtle. Let's be sure the audience gets it [rolls eyes].

    Star Trek (2009) - Nimoy says the famous "Space, the final frontier" bit instead of Pine/Kirk to be sure original fans are happy.
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    Image of cletar cletar
    11/24/09

    @Twisk: You can hear Pine read the Star Trek preamble or whatever that's called on the DVD extras.
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    Image of Twisk Twisk
    11/24/09

    @cletar: Yea, I think the iTunes extras has it (I don't have the DVD). Either that or it was on one of those behind the scenes videos that have floated around online just before the DVD release.

    ...I thought Pine's delivery was a bit flat. LOL, Shatner's from the original series sounds like he was so jazzed to say it. I think Pine could deliver something with the same amount of enthusiasm/energy (maybe they need to give him a few Red Bulls™ first).

    Hopefully in the next film we'll get that. :)
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    Image of Moff Moff
    11/24/09

    @Twisk: Nyeh, I choked up when Nimoy did the voice-over. It was brand-new, totally familiar, and appropriately ceremonial all at once.
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    Image of Gemi Gemi
    07:20 AM

    @cletar: Are you talking about the gag reel? Because I think that was J.J. Abrams, not Pine.
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    Image of cletar cletar
    07:49 AM

    @Gemi: Oh. Well, hell. I've been lied to!
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    Image of daveNYC daveNYC
    11/24/09

    In reply to Read Kirk's Unseen Appearance in Star Trek For Yourself
    The problem is that that watching the new movie, you realize that there's no way that new Kirk will grow up to be like old Kirk. I'm not sure what old Kirk's early career was like, but I don't think it involved breaking all the rules and still getting handed the keys to the newest ship in the fleet.
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    Image of Sockatume Sockatume
    11/24/09

    In reply to Read Kirk's Unseen Appearance in Star Trek For Yourself
    If the other cameo was Sarek, well, he was in the movie! He's Spock's dad, of course, so a younger, not very memorable version of him appears.

    I really like that scene, but ending on the TOS theme was possibly all the tribute the film needed to go out on. The "torch passing" sequence would've been too much for a movie that seemed keen to stand on its own feet.
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    Image of OW-Holmes:Bringer of Fear OW-Holmes:Bringer of Fear
    11/24/09

    In reply to Read Kirk's Unseen Appearance in Star Trek For Yourself
    Spock-Prime?

    I'm looking forward to when he starts punching the walls of reality.
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    Image of bucklefilledbird bucklefilledbird
    11/24/09

    @OW-Holmes:Bringer of Fear: only DC does retcon that poorly
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    Image of twophrasebark twophrasebark
    11/19/09

    In reply to Is Nestor Carbonell Bringing His Guylinered Stare To Star Trek's Khan?
    .
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    Edited by twophrasebark at 11/19/09 10:34 AM twophrasebark was starred twophrasebark was unstarred
    Image of Bootknife-Jackson Bootknife-Jackson
    11/18/09

    In reply to Is Nestor Carbonell Bringing His Guylinered Stare To Star Trek's Khan?
    months before Trek opened, i told my friend, "they're going to do a Space Seed/ WOK redo on the next one just watch." the only difference, i think i said Antonio Banderas would be Kahn. heh. comedy ensues!

    but to be honest, i'd like to see them continue to chart new territory instead of redo old ideas, which is why they went to such lengths with the plot on the first one. it would be pretty dumb move to squander that set up, and i think they know that too. but Hollywood never ceases to amaze me....
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    Image of Heads_Explode Heads_Explode
    11/19/09

    @Bootknife-Jackson: Second. Said to a friend of mine that the success of the "first" film will lead to bigger budgets, bigger expectations, and more studio involvement/meddling.
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    Image of Bootknife-Jackson Bootknife-Jackson
    11/19/09

    @Heads_Explode: Case in point: Spider-Man 3

    #calendar
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    Image of Heads_Explode Heads_Explode
    11/20/09

    @Bootknife-Jackson: Oh Yeah. Number of villains = x -1 where x is the movie number. I can just see the execs now. "Star Trek was awesome with one villain... so two villains will up the awesomeness factor by... a billion."
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    Image of Bootknife-Jackson Bootknife-Jackson
    11/20/09

    @Heads_Explode: HAHAHA! oh man.... i don't even know why that's so funny, i think because i can hear Rainn Wilson saying it in my head.....

    #calendar
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    Image of Dr Emilio Lizardo Dr Emilio Lizardo
    11/18/09

    In reply to Is Nestor Carbonell Bringing His Guylinered Stare To Star Trek's Khan?
    Forest Whitaker. If he can pull off Idi Amin, Khan is a cakewalk.
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    Image of gorehound gorehound
    11/18/09

    In reply to Is Nestor Carbonell Bringing His Guylinered Stare To Star Trek's Khan?
    I have been reading stories/rumors about the possibilities of Khan being in the new Star Trek 2 movie.
    I want to say I was there in front of the Tv watching Trek when it 1st aired in the 1960's.I watched all the Treks.I am not a trekkie but I do enjoy Trek.One thing I enjoyed was always new stories which you have to at least give them credit for that.No shows or movies were remade or rebooted till now.
    Now I enjoyed the new Trek film as a scifi-action popcorn blockbuster but not so much as a Trek fan.I didnot hate that aspect and some of it I thought was good to give them credit but there are some major issues I had with that film.Still I support the franchise but now I must say I am kind of getting annoyed.I must state for the record if Trek turns into YARM (or my new term) Alternate YARM I think I will just have to leave the franchise.I have no intention of spending a dime on a Trek that is just stealing from the past.What a bummer this krap is...........................now even Trek is going to turn into YARM !!!
    Whatever
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    Image of snarklenyc snarklenyc
    11/18/09

    In reply to Is Nestor Carbonell Bringing His Guylinered Stare To Star Trek's Khan?
    Heck to the yes! Show me Richard as Khan!
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    Image of AngryEddy AngryEddy
    11/18/09

    In reply to Is Nestor Carbonell Bringing His Guylinered Stare To Star Trek's Khan?
    Part of me would love to see Kahn return to Trek in some form or fashion, but the other part of me wonders what the hell the point was of rebooting Trek with an alternate timeline if all that's going to be done with it is recycle previously existing storylines and iconic characters...

    There must be a balance in there somewhere.
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    Image of Dirk Anger Dirk Anger
    11/19/09

    @AngryEddy: Well... many old characters are bound to cross paths with the Enterprise, only in different circumstances, and with different attitudes based on different backgrounds. A sworn enemy could be a friend if X had not happened, and vice versa. Many interesting things can be done this way (see the Age of Apocalypse for examples), and also many boring ones like remaking old stuff with new technology
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    Image of Davio Davio
    11/18/09

    In reply to Is Nestor Carbonell Bringing His Guylinered Stare To Star Trek's Khan?
    I could see that working very well... Yeah, I'm in.
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    Davio was starred Davio was unstarred
    Image of Bill-Lee Bill-Lee
    11/18/09

    In reply to Is Nestor Carbonell Bringing His Guylinered Stare To Star Trek's Khan?
    I would rather see Orci and Kurtzman create new villains. Ricardo Montalban's portrayal of Khan is so iconic and awesome that anybody else filling his manly chest would seem like a pale imitation.
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