I find cosy catastrophes much more disturbing to read/view than the expolsion driven end of the world stuff that has been coming out lately. It's easy for me to discredit stories where everything goes wrong at once and the world is overcome with lava, tidal waves, tornados, hurricanes etc all at the same moment. But a slow, quiet demise seems like it could really happen so I walk away from those feeling like I need to go watch The Powerpuff Girls save the world in order to cheer up.
Any apocalyptic fiction in which the world ends up quite livable falls in this category like when the power grid keeps chugging far longer than it ought to - for instance in the movies The Quiet Earth or Night of the Comet.
The Girl Who Owned a City (OT Nelson) is another cozy catastrophe where the children who survive the death of everyone over the age of 12 really seem to have it pretty good.
I'd put P. D. James' CHILDREN OF MEN in this category. Humanity ends not with a bang but a whimper, by virtue of nearly everyone being rendered sterile. I find this to be a very plausible scenario for Humanity to end, given how many environmental factors appear to affect fertility. And it would only take a single generation.
It wouldn't end Humanity, but perhaps Western Civilization: another cosy disaster scenario I think about is a sudden and widespread development of a food allergy to high fructose corn syrup. How and why food allergies develop is not well understood, but frequently appear linked to high levels of exposure, tripping some kind of metabolic tipping point mechanism. This would render virtually all processed foods inedible. I ponder whether we could develop alternative food sources in sufficient quantity, and delivery mechanisms of sufficient speed, to stave off wide spread starvation.
@Chip Overclock:The US would probably have to start importing foods from Europe and Asia where HFCS is not as widely used. HFCS is only widely used in the US because a combination of corn subsidies and tariffs/quotas on sucrose make corn syrup slightly cheaper. In the EU, for example, HFCS is subject to a production quota of 300,000 tons while they produced more than 18 million tons of sucrose. In Japan HFCS only accounts for about 25% of sweetener consumption.
@Chip Overclock: James' book is basically a remix of Aldiss' own earlier "Greybeard", where a similar pan-global sterility leads to the triumph of fascism amidst the slow decay of civilisation. One crucial point of departure is that Aldiss starts his story many more decades into the future, where the youngest people left on earth are in their 50s, and everything is basically decrepid. Aldiss also covered some very different world endings in, say, Hothouse (a far future where the earth-moon has been remodelled a giant, post-technological rain forest) or Helliconia (an amazing set of novels contrasting the rapid rise and fall of earth's space-faring civilisation with the periodic efflorescence of human-like civilisation on a world with eon-long climate cycles).
Another similar loss-of-fertility 70s book was "The Twilight of Briareus" by 'Richard Cowper' (actually John Middleton Murry, Jr writing under a pseudonym). A relatively close supernova has rendered the entire world population sterile, but not after some heavy weather. And then it all starts going pear-shaped, with very 1970s mind-body tripping issues emerging.
I think one reason why Europeans tend to write more of these slow, reduced birth potential futures is because so many of the writers grow up in societies formerly somewhat fecund, but now at the tail end of nearly a century of reduced fertility below replacement levels. This is in contrast to the US, which singularly alone among developed nations exhibits population growth more characteristic of an under-developed nation.
@meehawl: The U.S. population growth rate, which seems to be, as you mention, unique among developed nations, puzzles me as well.
A few years ago I read the executive summary of a U.N. report on global population growth which supported this assertion, and also predicted a peak world population occurring in 2050 with a decline afterwards. (I have the full report too, but wasn't brave enough to tackle hundreds of pages of columns of numbers.) But some years later the U.N. retracted the report because of admitted statistical errors. So right now, I'm not exactly sure from where to get my mostly-unbiased information.
You seem to me to imply some cultural reason for the difference in population growth (or decline) in developed nations. That's as good a rationale as any IMO. But I do wonder if it has to do with environmental factors, including issues with our food. It is interesting to think that while clean water is acknowledged to be a major issue in the third world, safe food supplies might be an undiscovered issue in the first world.
But if that were true, I would think the U.S. would be at the head of the list in terms of decline, which appears not to be the case. (Might have something to do with our obesity epidemic though... I could stand to loose a few pounds myself, despite working out on a regular basis.)
I always assumed the characters in John Wyndham's novels were so relaxed due to a mild buzz they all had going. I'm sure it's just the time period it's set in, but every revelation/shock/catastrophe is dealt with using a good stiff drink.
As much as I love an apocalyptic setting for novels, The Kraken Wakes and The Day of the Triffid are probably my least favourites among Wyndham's work. Not to say I didn't enjoy them, but I prefer both the plot and characters in The Chrysalid and (the non-post-apocalyptic) Chocky.
@RandomFrequentFlierDent: I liked Wyndham and Christopher Priest's MIDWICH CUCKOOS. The original movie creeped me out, and the book was an entirely original (to me anyway) take on the Alien Invasion trope. Not sure whether it falls into the "cosy apocalyptic" category though. Depends on how you see the invasion scenario playing out.
@Chip Overclock: I've yet to see the original Village of the Damned. Is it closer to the plot of the novel? I watched the 1995 remake this summer, it was . . . entertaining, but not what I was hoping for.
I think all of Wyndham's alien invasion/encounter scenarios are pretty original. My favourite is definitely Chocky - subtly influencing the minds of scientist/potential scientist to develop new technology and facilitate future contact is a pretty nifty idea.
@RandomFrequentFlierDent: The 1995 version was another case of remaking a movie that was perfectly good just as it was. It's been decades since I've seen the original 1960 version, but it stuck with me over the years as being genuinely creepy. (But I was a teenager when I saw it.) It's been years since I've read the book, but I think if you liked the book you'll like the 1960 movie.
Aha! But in the semi-distant future of my Analog story "Empty Barrels" they not only drink coffee, but the central characters of the story grow their own in tunnels on an icy planet. Indeed, as the assistant editor at the time noted, they drank enough of the stuff during the story that they could have reached orbit without a spaceship.
My fantasy characters drink tea. Because, like me, they're genteel and cultured. Pass me my morningstar, I see vermin!
With the gfi vs tea bit, it might be that they're making a split between the product and the process? After all, I've seen many a thing marketed as 'tea' that's just the dried leaves of some plant that you'll steep in hot water.
Mind you, though, according to some late 19th century sources, you can take the woodier parts of plants, roast them, and call that 'coffee'. vis: [www.make-stuff.com]#annemccaffrey
@Evil Tortie's Mom: R.O.A.C.H.: Oh yes! I was just doing a little thought-experiment that they might be equating coffee and/or tea with their processes instead of what goes in them. #annemccaffrey
Holy flipping crap! Where did the Too Much Coffee Man image come from?
And I know that it isn't far future, but in one of the Callahan's Saloon novels they have the Perfect Coffee Making Machine. Perhaps equaled by Agatha Heterodyne's first effort (before it was made safer): [www.girlgeniusonline.com]#annemccaffrey
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I started reading the new one the other day. I stopped after 5 pages, the new guys style just kept throwing me off. My mind kept telling me this couldn't be a WoT book.
The Mote books had coffee. Even a (very) minor subplot around Jamaica Blue Mountain, in theory the exclusive property of Imperial family. #annemccaffrey
@icelight: i like how one of the Moties messed around and made the best coffee machines ever...then that xenophobic business-mogul couldnt help but sell them and be even more afraid of them for it
in the same co-dominion universe but different series, war world, i remember two peoples cementing an alliance by exchanging coffee beans and hops #annemccaffrey
@Bress Tess Iz: That Mogul, Horace Bury, also hosted Koffe Klatsches for the Co-Do personell to try and get on better terms with his erstwhile captors. Niven also use Irish Coffee in many of his stories. #annemccaffrey
in the future all coffee will be freeze dried or pre-ground and a small, underground, guerrilla movement of growers that produce only shade grown beans sold whole and only whole will have to fight for survival and i will be their leader. Vive la résistance! Vive le véritable espresso!
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Because that's probably the way it would really happen.
Not with a bang, but a whimper.
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The Girl Who Owned a City (OT Nelson) is another cozy catastrophe where the children who survive the death of everyone over the age of 12 really seem to have it pretty good.
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It wouldn't end Humanity, but perhaps Western Civilization: another cosy disaster scenario I think about is a sudden and widespread development of a food allergy to high fructose corn syrup. How and why food allergies develop is not well understood, but frequently appear linked to high levels of exposure, tripping some kind of metabolic tipping point mechanism. This would render virtually all processed foods inedible. I ponder whether we could develop alternative food sources in sufficient quantity, and delivery mechanisms of sufficient speed, to stave off wide spread starvation.
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Another similar loss-of-fertility 70s book was "The Twilight of Briareus" by 'Richard Cowper' (actually John Middleton Murry, Jr writing under a pseudonym). A relatively close supernova has rendered the entire world population sterile, but not after some heavy weather. And then it all starts going pear-shaped, with very 1970s mind-body tripping issues emerging.
I think one reason why Europeans tend to write more of these slow, reduced birth potential futures is because so many of the writers grow up in societies formerly somewhat fecund, but now at the tail end of nearly a century of reduced fertility below replacement levels. This is in contrast to the US, which singularly alone among developed nations exhibits population growth more characteristic of an under-developed nation.
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A few years ago I read the executive summary of a U.N. report on global population growth which supported this assertion, and also predicted a peak world population occurring in 2050 with a decline afterwards. (I have the full report too, but wasn't brave enough to tackle hundreds of pages of columns of numbers.) But some years later the U.N. retracted the report because of admitted statistical errors. So right now, I'm not exactly sure from where to get my mostly-unbiased information.
You seem to me to imply some cultural reason for the difference in population growth (or decline) in developed nations. That's as good a rationale as any IMO. But I do wonder if it has to do with environmental factors, including issues with our food. It is interesting to think that while clean water is acknowledged to be a major issue in the third world, safe food supplies might be an undiscovered issue in the first world.
But if that were true, I would think the U.S. would be at the head of the list in terms of decline, which appears not to be the case. (Might have something to do with our obesity epidemic though... I could stand to loose a few pounds myself, despite working out on a regular basis.)
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As much as I love an apocalyptic setting for novels, The Kraken Wakes and The Day of the Triffid are probably my least favourites among Wyndham's work. Not to say I didn't enjoy them, but I prefer both the plot and characters in The Chrysalid and (the non-post-apocalyptic) Chocky.
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I think all of Wyndham's alien invasion/encounter scenarios are pretty original. My favourite is definitely Chocky - subtly influencing the minds of scientist/potential scientist to develop new technology and facilitate future contact is a pretty nifty idea.
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My fantasy characters drink tea. Because, like me, they're genteel and cultured. Pass me my morningstar, I see vermin!
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"Bud noticed they we're all making rather a big deal about the tea." #annemccaffrey
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Mind you, though, according to some late 19th century sources, you can take the woodier parts of plants, roast them, and call that 'coffee'. vis: [www.make-stuff.com] #annemccaffrey
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And I know that it isn't far future, but in one of the Callahan's Saloon novels they have the Perfect Coffee Making Machine. Perhaps equaled by Agatha Heterodyne's first effort (before it was made safer): [www.girlgeniusonline.com] #annemccaffrey
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I started reading the new one the other day. I stopped after 5 pages, the new guys style just kept throwing me off. My mind kept telling me this couldn't be a WoT book.
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in the same co-dominion universe but different series, war world, i remember two peoples cementing an alliance by exchanging coffee beans and hops #annemccaffrey
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