Please allow me to get all spammy for a moment and mention my old friend Nathan Shumate's Lovecraftian inspired ARKHAM TALES, easily one of the better webzines out there.
@Golem100: It's one of the most professional-looking that you'll run across. After a year, I think Nathan might be considering letting it die. The interest in the latest issue is down, but I can attest that that isn't due to a lack of quality.
If you know of anyone who mind dig it, please pass the word along. #pubilshing
Scalzi's blog post was a fascinating read. I can't believe that rates have been the same for 90 years! I'm glad I gave up on that whole writing thing and went into computers. Yeesh. #pubilshing
"So there you go: Your unproduced screenplay may actually be the greatest thing since the invention of cameras. But hard-working, lawsuit-phobic writers still don't want to see it."
So send it to Charlie Jane instead. I'm sure she wouldn't mind reading through your potential brilliance on thin acquaintance. I mean, if you've posted a comment on one of her articles here that practically makes you her friend, doesn't it?
I think people send their unsolicited scripts to professionals because of stories like the one Tarantino tells about Reservoir Dogs. He was going to film it in black and white with a bunch of friends when someone who knew someone showed it to someone who knew Harvey Keitel. Harvey Keitel liked it so much he put up some money for production and agreed to appear in it. The real story is a little more complex than that, but that's Tarantino's story and he's sticking to it.
However, having said that, every studio and production company has its procedures for submission. Its not that hard to learn these procedures and follow them. However, I do understand that some aspects of trying to break into Hollywood can be frustrating and unfair. The remedy for that seems to be the rise of digital technology which is less and less expensive; allowing more and more people to make movies while the growth of film festivals is allowing more and more people to have their movies seen. If it is a script you are passionate about then get together with some fellow would-be filmmakers and shoot it yourself. Just follow two rules:
1. Educate yourself, learn the language of film and avoid the "let's make a movie in my backyard" syndrome.
2. Use your own original characters and universe. Yeah there are a few awesome fan films out there but really Troops was only funny once. If you use your own characters you avoid legal action and no die hard superfan is gonna gripe about continuity.
Laugh we might, but a significant portion of my working life has been dealing with this very problem. It would be my happy duty, as a low level grunt in studio business/legal affairs, to deal with unsolicited manuscripts and calls. It was never ending. I would return them unopened, with a big legal letter saying the material was not read, only handled by me, I am a nobody with no contact with Creative, so don't bother. And maintain a database with each and every instance of these encounters because the lawsuits happen /all the time./
All it took was a rumor in some trade paper saying 'Cameron thinking about movie with submarine' and by the end of the week my in-box would have three scripts about a submarine: none wanting to be a movie, all hoping for a slip-up that would turn into a successful lawsuit.
Garrison Dean, the scenario you posit is not at all fictional. Fortunately, because the much sneered-at lawyers are vigilant, it's actually better to make a living as a writer than as a crook.
Anyone who kept up with Scalzi's Whatever blog ( [www.whatever.scalzi.com] ) knows that John often goes above and beyond supporting both his fans and fellow artists. This guy knows exactly where he came from.
However, Scalzi also knows the difference between what he wants, what's possible, and that reaching the "middle ground" is not just a euphemism for "You Lose". You can reach a compromise without necessarily compromising yourself (well...except for that bacon inciddent a few years back).
What I found most interesting in his response was the fact that, when refering to himself in the third person, it appears that "John" may think of himself as more of a "Joan". After years of reading his blog I wouild have never guessed.....
ha who am I kidding, its been obvious for years...
It's ok, I'm cool with that, I'm cool....but who's going to tell Krissy?
@mst3k4ever: the rant was a tad over the top but after hearing the request over and over it is hard to keep cool. ask anyone in that position. most of them are probably grateful that he's the one that did it. i mean he's like B- league and was driven to that rant, imagine how the bigger boys feel.
I have a friend that works at a talent agency and they get it to. friends of friends of friends of the agent asking to hook up little suzy or johnny cause they want to be big time actors. i mean 'can't you get them like a line in the next Brad Pitt movie. you know Brad right' (yeah everyone knows Brad. geez)
I try every month to send a rotating email to a collection of screenwriters, agents and producers in the hopes that I will be able to make money from future suits. Each time a different blurb.
"Two races locked in a futile everlasting battle in the stars until one small band of fighters is able to break the stale mate."
"An animated feature about an adorable creature who doesn't quite fit in, on a journey to discover themselves and their place in the world."
"A small group of unprepared individuals runs up against an unexpected supernatural adversary."
"She's a young professional who has spent so much time on her career that she hasn't found time for love, but that all changes when she meets a man who doesn't play by the rules."
Its kind of disgusting that people aren't helping other people for fear of a lawsuit. Sure some of these scripts given are from crazed fanboys but there could be a diamond in the rough.
@OW-Holmes--Upset with Polling: why should they help at all? just because someone wins the lottery doesn't mean that everyone should hit them up for money much like someone breaking into the business shouldn't mean people can hit them up for connections.
@tetracycloide: Actually, if you win the lottery, I think that does mean that everyone can hit you up for money.
I mean, talk about the one situation where you're suddenly really rich and IN NO WAY earned it, at all. I don't think there's anything morally culpable in asking that guy for money.
@OW-Holmes--Upset with Polling: there's help and then there's help. the industry has rules and if you follow them you will get help. but when you don't, it's not a shock that you get shut down.
I wrote a script once, and had it read. by a couple of agents. they were happy to do it. and I followed the rules. I wrote a pitch letter, waited for them to reply and dropped off a copy with the requested waivers at their offices. it didn't go anyway but I got some good feedback.
@braak: they earned it in some way. they took a risk paying for a lottery ticket and the risk paid off. the risk is certainly proportional to the reward as most lotteries have abysmal odds. unless you're of the persuasion that the only way to 'earn' money is by physical or mental exersion but that introduces an entirely different set of problems in and of itself.
@tetracycloide: I am of that position. But even if I was not, the risk is not proportional to the reward, since the odds are abysmal, and the rewards astronomical, no matter how many lottery tickets I buy. Statistically, my odds and rewards don't really change if I don't buy more than one lottery ticket--my risk is never more than one dollar and the effort it takes to buy a ticket at the 7-11.
@braak: But, I guess for civility's sake, let my clarify by saying: I don't think a person that wins the lottery is obligated to give money away to anyone that asks, but I think that person is being disingenuous if they begrudge those people for asking. Asking a stranger for money isn't really a higher-risk proposition than buying a lottery ticket, and, since when you ask them for money you're not really asking for ALL the money, the potential return is substantially lower. Those guys are really doing the same thing you did, except instead of going through the Lottery Commission, they're going to you, and instead of buying a ticket, they're asking for money.
@braak: This is all nicely theoretical, but irrelevant. People won't ask themselves any of this, and they WILL hit you up. How you acquired money doesn't matter, that you have it, does.
As someone who makes his living as a writer, I'd like to point out that this discussion is drawing general principles based on very specific cases. Yes, Gerrold had a legitimate problem on his hands, and yes, Scalzi has a right to be annoyed. However, every writer receives blurb requests all the time. People want you to read their book and say something nice about it they can put on the cover. Refusing all such requests because it might get you sued in the future would be rather silly.
Which is not to say it isn't soul-crushing. When I was first published, I used to get mail saying "I love your book, and I think your name would help me sell mine." I always tried to help these people out. Now that I'm more successful, I get a lot of mail saying, "I haven't read your books, nor do I care to, but I admire your success, and I'd like you to give me concrete advice on how I can do what you did so I can be successful too." Of course, when they hear the advice--and how much hard work is involved--they usually flake off and blow away, but the damage to my ego is already done.
@naraoia: Blurb requests are a little bit different. It's not some dilettante with dreams of being published, but someone who either is publish or shortly will be, and it's often at the request of a publisher (and authors want publishers to like them).
But you're right- writing sucks. I love telling stories, I hate writing. It's so fiddly, and fidgety and the reward isn't so satisfying, since the real enjoyment, for me at least, is telling a story.
@t3knomanser: That may have been the case once. I get a lot of blurb requests from people looking for a quote to help them impress a publisher. I doubt it works--nobody in publishing takes quotes seriously--but if they're nice, I try to help them.
I absolutely understand the paranoia in this. A few years ago, I attended a signing by Harlan Ellison. While he was regaling us with anecdotes and wondrous tales, he mentioned a particular book he admired that I had read and we chatted about it for a few minutes. Ellison also mentioned he misplaced his copy and was unable to find another. Skip ahead a year or so; I’m in my favorite used bookstore. I find two copies of the book, purchase both, and, on a whim, send one to Ellison. A week later, I take a call at home. Thinking it’s a sales call, I nearly hang up until the caller identifies himself as Harlan Ellison. He wants to know what’s in the box I sent him. I’m a little flustered at this point, but I remind him the signing a few years ago and tell him about the book. He apologizes and tells me he can’t open anything that may be a manuscript in case a nascent author launches litigation in his direction. Then he asks me if he should send me a check for the book. I hold out for an autograph (which he was kind enough to send).
@crashedpc : ゴキブリ and 蟑螂 division: It is, but I was expecting it to end with Harlan Ellison trying to shoot him in the face, just based on other stories I've heard about Ellison.
@t3knomanser: On the contrary; I didn't want to digress too much on the post, but he was a perfect gent at both the signing and during our phone conversation. He thanked me profusely and was very insistent upon paying me for the book and postage (which I waived off--it was only a couple of bucks). It's true he's a major gadfly and doesn't suffer fools gladly. The only thing he got bent about during the signing was the presence of a reporter from the local Pennypincher or some other ad-rag doing an article on Ellison. The poor doofus hadn't done any research and was clueless about Unca Harlan. After fielding a couple of questions on the level of, "What exactly is it you do now?", Ellison told him to get a typewriter and he'd knock out a thousand-word article for him.
Warren Ellis is another author who has run into this problem. He's fled a few blogging sites and disabled comments a few times to try and shut fanboy submitters down.
Look, if he reads your manuscript, and you read one of his future works and say, "HEY! That's like my idea! HE STOLE IT! SUE!", your case will likely get laughed out of court. But he'll still have to defend himself. He's still at risk of alienating his publishers. He's still wasting his time, money, and goodwill, for nothing.
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[www.arkhamtales.com]
Yes, he pays, but he's a serious stickler for QUALITY fiction. #pubilshing
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If you know of anyone who mind dig it, please pass the word along. #pubilshing
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So send it to Charlie Jane instead. I'm sure she wouldn't mind reading through your potential brilliance on thin acquaintance. I mean, if you've posted a comment on one of her articles here that practically makes you her friend, doesn't it?
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However, having said that, every studio and production company has its procedures for submission. Its not that hard to learn these procedures and follow them. However, I do understand that some aspects of trying to break into Hollywood can be frustrating and unfair. The remedy for that seems to be the rise of digital technology which is less and less expensive; allowing more and more people to make movies while the growth of film festivals is allowing more and more people to have their movies seen. If it is a script you are passionate about then get together with some fellow would-be filmmakers and shoot it yourself. Just follow two rules:
1. Educate yourself, learn the language of film and avoid the "let's make a movie in my backyard" syndrome.
2. Use your own original characters and universe. Yeah there are a few awesome fan films out there but really Troops was only funny once. If you use your own characters you avoid legal action and no die hard superfan is gonna gripe about continuity.
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All it took was a rumor in some trade paper saying 'Cameron thinking about movie with submarine' and by the end of the week my in-box would have three scripts about a submarine: none wanting to be a movie, all hoping for a slip-up that would turn into a successful lawsuit.
Garrison Dean, the scenario you posit is not at all fictional. Fortunately, because the much sneered-at lawyers are vigilant, it's actually better to make a living as a writer than as a crook.
09/16/09
Kinda like when a writer asks me to fix their broken computer? Friend rate applies?
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However, Scalzi also knows the difference between what he wants, what's possible, and that reaching the "middle ground" is not just a euphemism for "You Lose". You can reach a compromise without necessarily compromising yourself (well...except for that bacon inciddent a few years back).
What I found most interesting in his response was the fact that, when refering to himself in the third person, it appears that "John" may think of himself as more of a "Joan". After years of reading his blog I wouild have never guessed.....
ha who am I kidding, its been obvious for years...
It's ok, I'm cool with that, I'm cool....but who's going to tell Krissy?
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But really, if you want help from pros, attend writer's workshops.
Having said that, Josh (Who?) Olson still seems like a toolbox.
09/16/09
I have a friend that works at a talent agency and they get it to. friends of friends of friends of the agent asking to hook up little suzy or johnny cause they want to be big time actors. i mean 'can't you get them like a line in the next Brad Pitt movie. you know Brad right' (yeah everyone knows Brad. geez)
09/16/09
"Two races locked in a futile everlasting battle in the stars until one small band of fighters is able to break the stale mate."
"An animated feature about an adorable creature who doesn't quite fit in, on a journey to discover themselves and their place in the world."
"A small group of unprepared individuals runs up against an unexpected supernatural adversary."
"She's a young professional who has spent so much time on her career that she hasn't found time for love, but that all changes when she meets a man who doesn't play by the rules."
and so on... btw I drive a solid gold Delorean.
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IP law needs a good reworking.
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I mean, talk about the one situation where you're suddenly really rich and IN NO WAY earned it, at all. I don't think there's anything morally culpable in asking that guy for money.
09/16/09
I wrote a script once, and had it read. by a couple of agents. they were happy to do it. and I followed the rules. I wrote a pitch letter, waited for them to reply and dropped off a copy with the requested waivers at their offices. it didn't go anyway but I got some good feedback.
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QED
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This is not a substantial amount of risk.
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Which is not to say it isn't soul-crushing. When I was first published, I used to get mail saying "I love your book, and I think your name would help me sell mine." I always tried to help these people out. Now that I'm more successful, I get a lot of mail saying, "I haven't read your books, nor do I care to, but I admire your success, and I'd like you to give me concrete advice on how I can do what you did so I can be successful too." Of course, when they hear the advice--and how much hard work is involved--they usually flake off and blow away, but the damage to my ego is already done.
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But you're right- writing sucks. I love telling stories, I hate writing. It's so fiddly, and fidgety and the reward isn't so satisfying, since the real enjoyment, for me at least, is telling a story.
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Look, if he reads your manuscript, and you read one of his future works and say, "HEY! That's like my idea! HE STOLE IT! SUE!", your case will likely get laughed out of court. But he'll still have to defend himself. He's still at risk of alienating his publishers. He's still wasting his time, money, and goodwill, for nothing.
It's a no win proposition for an author.