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    11/14/09

    In reply to 3 Ways To Meet (And Get Nasty With) Your Opposite-Sex Duplicate
    "The most frustrating, annoying thing about the opposite sex is that they're not you."

    Actually that's the best thing about it. I really wouldn't want to date me.... #robertaheinlein
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    11/14/09

    In reply to 3 Ways To Meet (And Get Nasty With) Your Opposite-Sex Duplicate
    Heinlein was a seriously twisted dude. Has anyone ever explored the psychological underpinnings of this guy? I'd be very interested in reading that.
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    11/14/09

    In reply to 3 Ways To Meet (And Get Nasty With) Your Opposite-Sex Duplicate
    I suspect the premise is flawed.
    Many people who are too much alike don't get along at all; an opposite-sex (or same-sex, if that's what you like) clone doesn't seem likely to be a perfect match.
    -Kle. #robertaheinlein
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    11/14/09

    In reply to 3 Ways To Meet (And Get Nasty With) Your Opposite-Sex Duplicate
    Damn, io9 seems to be telling me I must go back and watch Red Dwarf series 2 again. Fair enough. I give in. #robertaheinlein
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    11/13/09

    In reply to 3 Ways To Meet (And Get Nasty With) Your Opposite-Sex Duplicate
    I would SO bone myself! Being gay has that privilege to not worry about changing the sex of my clone/alternate universe/time traveling self. ^_^ #robertaheinlein
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    11/13/09

    In reply to 3 Ways To Meet (And Get Nasty With) Your Opposite-Sex Duplicate
    Ok, so: incest or masturbation?

    Assuming we're not in some freaky psychic-link parallel universe and each clone is alone in their own head...

    Masturbation relies on a physical sense of self and is by definition a solitary act, so - because any clone will have an individual sense of self separate from their genetic destiny - clone sex is not masturbation.

    Incest, however, comes in two flavors: relationship and genetics.

    The act of people who are genetically related having sex is always *biologically* incest to one degree or another, even without emotional bonds being present; but if the two people are strangers there's no emotional baggage, and mental health-wise it's just like any other hook-up.

    People who are not related by biology but who are raised together as a family from an early age (under 5) form familial bonds which generally preclude sexual attraction; this is an emotional bond and despite lack of genetic similarity a sexual relationship here would be called "incest" by a psychologist.

    So sex between clones is always biologically incest with all the attendant genetic risks for children, but it might not have the emotional overtones of traditional incest if the clones were strangers until they were adults.

    The Vorkosigan series has a lovely legal take on clones and relationships, if anyone's interested. #robertaheinlein
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    11/13/09

    In reply to 3 Ways To Meet (And Get Nasty With) Your Opposite-Sex Duplicate
    sometimes I quote topics from io9 to my poor, patient husband just to get his reaction.

    "clones having sex!"
    "...did you just say clowns having sex?"
    "nope, *clone* sex."
    "...'cause *that's* better. You're a freak, you know that?"
    "Says the man playing four D-cup female characters on DragonAge."
    "That's different." #robertaheinlein
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    11/13/09

    In reply to 3 Ways To Meet (And Get Nasty With) Your Opposite-Sex Duplicate
    Logan St. Claire is the crosstime analouge of Quinn Malory. #robertaheinlein
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    11/13/09

    @Corvus-Corax: Right right... fixing it! #robertaheinlein
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    11/13/09

    In reply to 3 Ways To Meet (And Get Nasty With) Your Opposite-Sex Duplicate
    You know, having sex with clone!me is just not something I can get behind (or in front of). #robertaheinlein
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    11/13/09

    In reply to 3 Ways To Meet (And Get Nasty With) Your Opposite-Sex Duplicate
    I always said I'd never date someone would date someone like me, so I'm pretty sure I'd have high enough standards not to hook up with myself. #robertaheinlein
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    Image of Jeff Edsell Jeff Edsell
    11/13/09

    In reply to 3 Ways To Meet (And Get Nasty With) Your Opposite-Sex Duplicate
    I'm finding a lot of the incest arguments fascinating. As an only child, I understand the taboo on more of an academic level. (Meaning I understand it's gross to think of a sibling sexually, but without a sibling, I've never experienced how uncomfortable a thought like that might make me.)

    A lot of people seem to be arguing that it's gross to have sex with someone who shares the same genetic material.
    I thought the grossness factor came from growing up with someone and developing a relationship with them that precludes you from seeing them in a sexual manner, to the point of being uncomfortable with the idea of their having any sexual aspect at all (much less finding them attractive).

    If you didn't grow up with an opposite-sex clone, and never developed any close sex-precluding relationship with them, would you really be tuned off by the concept of some shared genetic material? After all, if you judge by overall DNA, we're all virtually identical. #robertaheinlein
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    11/13/09

    @Jeff Edsell: (Meaning I understand it's gross to think of a sibling sexually, but without a sibling, I've never experienced how uncomfortable a thought like that might make me.)

    Well I only have a little brother who is more than twenty years younger than me and since I am not gay nor a pedophile I'm not even remotely at risk of finding him attractive so that gives me no frame of reference. I imagine if I did want a frame of reference in regard to a sibling of the opposite sex I'd just think of how it's gross to think of sex with Mom.

    Eew! That does it. If I felt even a little that way about a female sibling there's no way I'd be at risk of performing an incestuous act.

    Aren't there a lot of urban legends about separated siblings who unknowingly unite in a romantic relationship? #robertaheinlein
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    11/14/09

    @strideo: The Mom thing is a good point. I'm adopted, so I share no genetic material with my mother, but It's still a thought I can't even entertain. But a lot of people seem to be arguing the grossness comes from genetics, and I don't think so. #robertaheinlein
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    11/14/09

    @Jeff Edsell: I guess that makes sense. After all if you were separated from your sister at birth I don't see any way that you could "sense" her genetic make up and be unattracted to her. #robertaheinlein
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    11/13/09

    In reply to 3 Ways To Meet (And Get Nasty With) Your Opposite-Sex Duplicate
    Would you fuck me? I'd fuck me. I'd fuck me hard. #robertaheinlein
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    11/13/09

    @taz20075: PERCIOUSSSSSSSSSSS! #robertaheinlein
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    11/13/09

    In reply to 3 Ways To Meet (And Get Nasty With) Your Opposite-Sex Duplicate
    I'm so glad to see this article because I've often said that I would never get married unless it was an opposite sex clone of myself. I don't think many people realize I'm dead serious.

    It's really just the personality I want. I'm pretty sure hooking up with an opposite sex clone of yourself would somehow be incest... #robertaheinlein
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    Image of Dr.Quatermass: I have to say Dr. You are once again spot on with that oberservation and anything I am about to say that contradicts this statement is strictly for humor sake. Dr.Quatermass: I have to say Dr. You are once again spot on with that oberservation and anything I am about to say that contradicts this statement is strictly for humor sake.
    11/13/09

    In reply to 3 Ways To Meet (And Get Nasty With) Your Opposite-Sex Duplicate
    Being a Heinlein fan-boy I have long ago come to terms with the fact that despite my utter revulsion for myself, I would totally do me. But, since neither of us has had any homo-erotic experiences, I foresee a very in-depth argument about who will be, for lack of a better term, catching. this will in turn lead to a much more interesting and exciting situation. If one of us had to kill the other one which one of us would come out the victor? And who can drink more?

    Oh man, imagine writing a song or a novel with yourself. The focus.

    Make this happen Science. #robertaheinlein
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    Dr.Quatermass: I have to say Dr. You are once again spot on with that oberservation and anything I am about to say that contradicts this statement is strictly for humor sake. was starred Dr.Quatermass: I have to say Dr. You are once again spot on with that oberservation and anything I am about to say that contradicts this statement is strictly for humor sake. was unstarred
    Image of Platypus Man Platypus Man
    11/13/09

    In reply to 3 Ways To Meet (And Get Nasty With) Your Opposite-Sex Duplicate
    Man, I read "All You Zombies..." in my Metaphysics class a couple years ago. I was blown away when, at the end, it's revealed that all 4 (or so) characters are the same person.

    But, with the exception of a sex-changed person being fertile, it makes perfect sense. Which is actually pretty awesome. #robertaheinlein
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