I read the book, and am back with a resounding "meh". Imaginative, yes. Suspenseful, yes. But there were lots of tired old cliches in here, and the overall plot felt like a retread Clancy novel. (Only this time, with Moloch!)
Really, this read like a book without much of a heart or soul. I liked the creepy characters, I liked the way they were described in appearance and in action, but never felt like I should really care about any of them. Gabriel is rootless, as are most of the people he comes across. So it's a bunch of rootless people, an evil government, and demonic forces with very little motivation other than "I'm evil, just because that's how I roll."
I know I won't reread this. If you like shadowy political suspense or demonic-style occult stuff, then this might be your thing. If you prefer more intrapersonal stories, then... maybe pick one of the other io9-reviewed books. #johnshirley
i, too, have a love/hate relationship with these book reviews. they always sound so spectacular, and now i have yet another pile of unread books growing in the parlor. i have to admit i liked and yet didn't like The City & The City, but i'm not holding that against you. we'll see; we'll see. i busy wrapping up my novel, which i hope i will get to read about on here one day soon. :) #johnshirley
@simplyscott: This reviewing stuff is very subjective. F'rinstance, Chaim liked Bleak History way more than I did. The heavy Slavic Crime Novel stuff in The City & The City that got me excited was exactly the reason a few of my friends couldn't finish the book. When you read a very enthusiastic review on i09, that's the honest, considered opinion of only one person. No more and no less. #johnshirley
This has to stop. I already bought 6 books and checked another 10 out of the library in the past two weeks. No more reviews of really interesting sounding books. And that goes for Grey_Area as well. For the next month you are all on a literature diet of plumping do-it-yourself manuals. #johnshirley
@LittleDragon: Now, now Hsiao-Loong. We're just here to provide a little more information than you'd get from a typical book jacket blurb and have some fun writing about Speculative Fiction. Also, reading (and writing) book reviews is a great way to develop critical thinking and get more out of the books you already love. Here's a recent article from our ol' pal Braak on that: [threatquality.com]
Nobody's making you buy anything, silly. #johnshirley
@Grey_Area: You're darn right nobody's making me buy anything! I've got my tinfoil hat on to thwart your brainwaves. Also, this book is on the Kindle, yay! Not buying it, though. Nope....
@LittleDragon: I agree! You guys are pointing out too many good books and my wallet and library card can't take the strain no more (nor my back due to carrying them!) #johnshirley
@Grey_Area: See you just recommended more reading (and I went and read the whole thing). I'm just teasing you guys. I like reading what you and others here at I09 recommend because I don't know any other readers, and you introduce me to new material. I discovered World War Z, the Road, and Blindness here. You mean I don't have to listen to the little man in the pumpkin who is telling me to go buy more copies of Good Omens to give way to friends and family? #johnshirley
@Eridani: O_O You have a Kindle? I'll trade you my brother's kids. According to something I read my nephew would get you about $4,000 in china.
I keep debating about getting one because I actually like having a real book in my hands. On the other hand, it would make it easier to take books with me. To Kindle or not to Kindle. #johnshirley
@Grey_Area: Are you in liege with the gourd guard in a plot to spread Good Omens across the world and get a copy for your self or are you after some other book? Speak honestly, or you shan't have pie. #johnshirley
@LittleDragon: I'm going to breakdown and get one of those gadgets someday, but never a Kindle. All that DRM stuff creeps me out.The I've heard Sony's e-reader is the way to go. The upcoming Apple Tablet looks promising, if it ever comes out. #johnshirley
@Grey_Area: From the bits of research I have done, the Kindle has a lot more memory and more options (like high lighting stuff and some other features), but the Sony looks like it can download from more sources. With the Kindle amazon can erase things from your unit without you knowing about it and if you get a new Kindle you have to re-buy some books. #johnshirley
@LittleDragon: I'm very pleased with my Kindle but, as Grey_Area says, it is a DRM beastie. I accept that, though. I love being able to just download a book with a couple clicks and a 30 second wait. However, not all books are available, and not even all the ones you think would be. Even new releases mostly aren't Kindle-ized, and I'm not sure why. Sometimes, not all the books in a series will be, either, only some. Annoying.
I think as far as the e-reader craze goes, it's a matter of content being the bottleneck, not the readers themselves. For whatever reason, publishers are still vehemently resisting e-books, and seem to only grudgingly create digital copies of a small percentage of what they publish conventionally. Again, annoying.
Come into the 21st century, publishers! #johnshirley
@LittleDragon: I actually just got the pocket sony ebook reader, it's pretty good and so far it hasn't complained about any of the books that I have uploaded on to it, despite the various sources which I have gotten them from. #johnshirley
So is it worth sticking with The Steel Remains then? I've read a few of Morgan's other books and enjoyed them, but kept finding myself unmotivated to pick up The Steel Remains again. I think it was the interminable sections dealing with the third (heterosexual) character and his utterly dull sex with his young girlfriend that bored me most. But even the other threads failed to intrigue me very much; the good guys too good (despite the veneer of anti-hero), the bad guys too bad, maybe. But does the plot pick up in the second half and make it worthwhile?
@Brdf: I'd stick. In fact, I think that there is only one such scene with that character. that said, I always find Morgan's sex scenes to be interminable.
Arthur Cover here. Years ago (1982) my friend J. Michael Reaves wrote a novel called Darkworld Detective, about a hero/detective named Kamus of Khadizar. In fact, John Shirley even wrote a sequel. Naturally Michael's book was a mash-up between noir and Leiberesque fantasy. The existential connection between noir and our hero's name should be obvious.
Then there's Glen Cook's long running series, which I believe began around the same time. So like most new trends, this one has roots that go back a long way, roots that some of the authors whose work is included in your discussion probably aren't even aware of.
Noir isn't a genre so much as it is a feeling, a philosophy, contained within a story with melodramatic elements. The movie Odd Man Out has an IRA sponsored bank robbery in it, but it's really about a dying man trying to find a place to die in an unsympathetic world. You can't get bleaker or more noirish than that.
At least while reading Carey's Felix Castor books, I was continually reminded of Butcher's Harry Dresden books. They're not that different in terms of tone. Your mileage may vary, though.
"Inter urinas et faeces nascimur," is a French saying? Er, St. Augustine was not only speaking in Latin, but was from modern-day Algeria. Unless he's a hard-right Pied Noir, I think Kadrey is a bit confused on geography there.
The classics of fantasy and urban mystery share roots in the First World War (Tolkien, Lewis, the screen detective's iconic trench coat; Paul Fussell's The Great War and Modern Memory is a terrific book about WWI literature), while the common experience of the books listed seems to be eight years of George W. Bush as Uncool Suburban Dad.
@Rasselas: Actually that's not exactly correct. Noir has roots in post-first world war angst and uncertainty. Noir generally fades a little bit when the great issues of society are galvanizing. It seems a pretty good fit for the angst of today.
@Pope John Peeps II: Noir has its roots definitively in post-first world war angst and uncertainty.
Which I think makes some of these works a bit decadent, because, e.g., the protagonists and author of The Steel Remains suffer from a surfeit of certainties, and bait and bully secondary characters and the reader, respectively, with them recurrently.
@Rasselas: Well, I don't know that book much. But I'd guess that given the climate of our world today, it maybe makes a book more appealing to have heroes be slightly more certain, and the world in decay, rather than people in decay simply thrust together in an adventure? Eh. I don't know. I guess it makes sense to someone, since it's gotten such good reviews. I'll have to read it.
@Pope John Peeps II: I think I have my copy away, or I'd offer to send it to you. I liked Morgan's SF urbanized worlds more than his F one, even though everyone likes knights who say "fuck."
@Rasselas: I didn't see quite as much certainty as you did. The main character, Ringil, seems particularly divided between the horrors that his barbaric society has inflicted upon him for being gay and his desire to protect it. In fact, I am not at all sure that he does care to protect it. I think he might just really like to kill things, and directs that energy as appropriately as he can. Several characters definitely suffer from the kind of postwar issues that are hallmarks of noir.
@The Curse of Millhaven: I am going to throw in another thing that The Steel Remains had going for it: Morgan makes the magic really plausible. I don't think that it is much of a spoiler to say that the "sorcerous" villains so far seem to be using the same sort of no-tools-needed technology that the Incanters from Neal Stephenson's Anathem employ.
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Really, this read like a book without much of a heart or soul. I liked the creepy characters, I liked the way they were described in appearance and in action, but never felt like I should really care about any of them. Gabriel is rootless, as are most of the people he comes across. So it's a bunch of rootless people, an evil government, and demonic forces with very little motivation other than "I'm evil, just because that's how I roll."
I know I won't reread this. If you like shadowy political suspense or demonic-style occult stuff, then this might be your thing. If you prefer more intrapersonal stories, then... maybe pick one of the other io9-reviewed books. #johnshirley
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I keep debating about getting one because I actually like having a real book in my hands. On the other hand, it would make it easier to take books with me. To Kindle or not to Kindle. #johnshirley
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I think as far as the e-reader craze goes, it's a matter of content being the bottleneck, not the readers themselves. For whatever reason, publishers are still vehemently resisting e-books, and seem to only grudgingly create digital copies of a small percentage of what they publish conventionally. Again, annoying.
Come into the 21st century, publishers! #johnshirley
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Then there's Glen Cook's long running series, which I believe began around the same time. So like most new trends, this one has roots that go back a long way, roots that some of the authors whose work is included in your discussion probably aren't even aware of.
Noir isn't a genre so much as it is a feeling, a philosophy, contained within a story with melodramatic elements. The movie Odd Man Out has an IRA sponsored bank robbery in it, but it's really about a dying man trying to find a place to die in an unsympathetic world. You can't get bleaker or more noirish than that.
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Which I think makes some of these works a bit decadent, because, e.g., the protagonists and author of The Steel Remains suffer from a surfeit of certainties, and bait and bully secondary characters and the reader, respectively, with them recurrently.
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