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    Image of Garrison Dean: R.O.A.C.H. Garrison Dean: R.O.A.C.H.
    06/28/09

    In reply to Is There Really New Star Wars Later This Year?
    Yeah I think there must be something coming because I got an email from Lucas's Star Wars site (I must have signed up somewhere sometime a long time ago) and it was telling me to sign up for the SW magazine and they had a shot of the cover and it mentioned this Live Action show as well.
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    06/28/09

    @Garrison Dean: R.O.A.C.H.: This is a disaster?
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    Image of Chris R Chris R
    06/28/09

    In reply to Is There Really New Star Wars Later This Year?
    More ewoks PLEASE!
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    Image of KhaiJB KhaiJB
    06/28/09

    @Chris R: yes.. BBQ'd with a honey garlic glaze....
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    Image of crashedpc - Haifisch crashedpc - Haifisch
    06/28/09

    @KhaiJB: That sounds so freakin delicious... don't forget to fully clean the fur, first.
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    Image of transbastard transbastard
    06/28/09

    In reply to Is There Really New Star Wars Later This Year?
    Another Christmas Special!!!


    It has to be. A christmas crawl miniseries, where we get to see the equivalent celebrations on the home planets of our heroes!


    Yay.

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    06/28/09

    @transbastard: I smell something rank... What's this sense of foreboding?
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    Image of RCN8 RCN8
    06/28/09

    In reply to Is There Really New Star Wars Later This Year?
    I dunno, I' pretty happy with the animated stuff right now (minus the Jar jar episodes, of course). This idea frightens me, because it could be awesome or...well, do I really need to invoke Eps I-III?
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    Image of Purple Dave Purple Dave
    06/29/09

    @RCN8:
    Jar Jar does seem extra specially over the top, even for Jar Jar, but the regular battle droids are friggen hilarious. They've got a very fatalistic sound to their voices, as if they're all collectively thinking, "If I'm _really_ lucky, _when_ I die, it'll happen so fast that I don't even have time to register that it's happening." There's not a lot of, "We might actually make it through this thing" in their attitudes.
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    Image of hofmann hofmann
    06/28/09

    In reply to Is There Really New Star Wars Later This Year?
    Maybe he's doing new music for the 3-D editions? I don't think he'd do music for the TV series.
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    Image of Purple Dave Purple Dave
    06/28/09

    @hofmann:
    All they need to do is use the main theme for him to get credit (and payment) for the series, even if they never actually hire him to produce any new scores.
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    Image of radarskiy radarskiy
    06/28/09

    @Purple Dave: Dave gets it, and it should be obvious to anyone who bothered to look at the actual IMDB page where Willaims is listed as "(composer: theme "Star Wars") "
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    Image of Purple Dave Purple Dave
    06/29/09

    @radarskiy:
    Does it? Yeah, I didn't bother to look either...
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    Image of CoffinDodger (If the typos crap. Blame my keyboard) CoffinDodger (If the typos crap. Blame my keyboard)
    06/28/09

    In reply to Is There Really New Star Wars Later This Year?
    Its either gonna be awesome. Or the Phantom meanace in episode form. No more Jar Jar characters either.....please!!
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    Image of fletchtastic fletchtastic
    06/28/09

    @CoffinDodger:

    The Phantom Menace was, sadly, the best of the prequels.
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    Image of Klappstuhl Klappstuhl
    06/29/09

    @fletchtastic: The only great thing about the sequels was the opening of the third movie.



    + Watch video


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    Image of tetracycloide tetracycloide
    06/29/09

    @Klappstuhl: the only great thing about the prequels were the shots in the third movie where no one was talking.
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    Image of Alessar Alessar
    06/12/09

    In reply to The Composers That Make Space Adventures Epic
    Where is Klaus Badelt?? Equilibrium, The Time Machine, Pirates of the Carribean WITH Hans Zimmer, Ultraviolet, Poseidon, many others!
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    Image of Liz Weinbloom Liz Weinbloom
    06/12/09

    @Alessar: Pirates is a phenomenal score. I basically spent the third movie just closing my eyes and listening to the music. Of course, that had a lot to do with how shitty the third movie was...
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    Image of NotChoinski NotChoinski
    06/11/09

    In reply to The Composers That Make Space Adventures Epic
    No love for Éric Serra, of the Fifth Element?
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    Image of Convair 990A Convair 990A
    06/11/09

    In reply to The Composers That Make Space Adventures Epic
    I've got to throw a vote in for Stu Phillips. C'mon, the man did Battlestar Galactica and Buck Rogers in the 25th Century. That's got to count for something!


    (Says the proud owner of several versions of the aforementioned albums...)

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    Image of Evil Tortie's Mom: R.O.A.C.H. Evil Tortie's Mom: R.O.A.C.H.
    06/11/09

    @Convair 990A: Old school BSG music was good stuff. I have it on LP!
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    Image of Erinaceus Erinaceus
    06/11/09

    In reply to The Composers That Make Space Adventures Epic
    I'm aware that I will probably get a lotta flack for this, but...


    ...


    ... I kinda like the syrupy goo that is Titanic's music.


    Also, Jerry Goldsmith's son Joel is a pretty decent composer too,

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    Image of Liz Weinbloom Liz Weinbloom
    06/11/09

    @Erinaceus: No flack here. Fine score.
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    Image of Squirminator2k Squirminator2k
    06/11/09

    In reply to The Composers That Make Space Adventures Epic
    The omission of Murray Gold, who's responsible for the marvelous score in the revived Doctor Who, is quite disappointing.
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    Image of Liz Weinbloom Liz Weinbloom
    06/11/09

    @Squirminator2k: Agreed. While you could argue that some things have been over-scored, the sheer range of music for a tv series is incredible. So many episodes have their own completely distinct sound (ie, Girl in the Fireplace, Father's Day)
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    Image of Liz Weinbloom Liz Weinbloom
    06/11/09

    In reply to The Composers That Make Space Adventures Epic
    There was a time - approximately February 2005 - when I would have found this list very, very useful. Therefore, I shall annotate it for pops orchestra managers stumbling across this page in google searches, seeking rep for your space or sci-fi themed concerts:


    [all regular people can move right along to your regularly scheduled commenting]


    You probably already own the Star Wars suite. If you don't, you should. The E.T. suite is also great. Harry Potter, an arrangement's good enough. Jurassic Park, ditto. Catch with Williams is most of them are only available as either crappy arrangements, or the full suites which are great but like $400.


    Back to the Future is only available in a three minute rental, which is better than nothing, but unsatisfyingly short and annoyingly expensive.


    There's actually a fairly decent medley of Star Trek themes out there, for cheap, at Luck's I think. There's some "wtf is this" stuff in the middle but it starts with TOS and ends with TNG, as it should.


    also worth noting: Also Sprach Zarathustra is in the public domain. As is Holst's Planets.


    / servicey-ness

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    Image of eviladrian eviladrian
    06/11/09

    @Elizabeth Weinbloom: Even if Holst didn't actually score any movies, "Mars" would have to be the seminal epic sci-fi theme. Without Mars I don't think we'd have John Williams.
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    Image of Liz Weinbloom Liz Weinbloom
    06/12/09

    @eviladrian: There's no doubt to it! And in fact, one generally shouldn't program Mars and Star Wars on the same half of a program. John Williams ends up looking a bit silly...


    In more ways than just influence-on-theme-tunes, Star Wars is Holst, and Star Trek is Mahler.

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    Image of Sanriostar Sanriostar
    06/11/09

    In reply to The Composers That Make Space Adventures Epic
    Ummm...

    Akira Ifukube?


    He created the G-man's roar for cryin' out loud!

    If you can look past Horner and Vangelis' non-SF stuff, then surely he passes muster as well.


    DA DA DA DAAAAAAAAAAAA!

    DA DA DA DAAAAAAAAAAAA!

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    Image of scroggzilla raids again scroggzilla raids again
    06/12/09

    @Sanriostar: Seconded on Ifukube.

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    Image of Haroon Piracha Haroon Piracha
    06/11/09

    In reply to The Composers That Make Space Adventures Epic
    I really really hated the work Bear McCreary did for BSG... Music like this should be discouraged. I mean, what was that? There was no theme! I just hate music with no sense of melody, no sense of direction. I got nothing to remember that song by, it sounded like generic orchestral music with a bit of experimental instruments. Great article and other music selection btw. Alan Silvestri did amazing work on Back to The Future and Contact. Now THATS A COMPOSER.
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    Image of limber limber
    06/11/09

    @Haroon Piracha: I cannot disagree with you more. I listen to McCreary all the time, and it's pure emotion. I find more traditional "themes" incredibly distracting. To me, it's like having someone lean close to my ear and holler "VICTORY!" or "TRAGIC!" or "THEY'RE IN LOVE!" They actively irritate me, because it constantly feels like they're telling me what to think.


    By contrast, McCreary is subtle. It's subliminal, it gets under my skin and as I'm watching a scene, it manipulates on a very emotional level. And often he scores in a way that's in contrast to the main theme of the scene, so there's an extra level of nuance. Even better, I can listen to it on my iPod without attaching it to a certain scene in BSG. I write to it all the time.


    I know it's not everyone's cup of tea, but in a world where I can't stand most of the traditional theme-based scores, I'll encourage Bear as much as financially possible.

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    Image of Haroon Piracha Haroon Piracha
    06/11/09

    @limber: I don't know... I encourage themes because then you will get really unmemorable scores. Like, for instance, can you sing the theme to Spider-Man (2002)? How about part 2? 3? Me neither, and I really can't help but hate the music afterwords because there was nothing musically to look forward to. For scifi films, I really can't stand it.
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    Image of Haroon Piracha Haroon Piracha
    06/11/09

    @Haroon Piracha: I meant to say that if you don't do theme's you will get unmemorable scores.
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    Image of limber limber
    06/12/09

    @Haroon Piracha: Nope, I couldn't hum the theme to most films. JAWS, maybe. But... I find themes intrusive, generally. Sometimes they're great, in big flash-bang adventure films, but I would never think "Hey, those were great themes, I want the score now". The last score that made me sit up in my chair was "Star Trek". Specifically, the "Star Trek" commercials, which turned out to be an altered Children of Dune track.


    Part of this might be just plain musical tastes (I like Philip Glass, who makes some people want to rip out their own eardrums), but McCreary's themes are valuable to me because they aren't the love theme, the escape theme, the sad theme, the suspense theme. Instead they're themes that really get to the root of the characters or the relationship that's being highlighted, and then the themes are bent and blended and changed as the show went on. A lot of the themes, just in pacing and instrumentation and design, are very emotive for me.


    The Roslin/Adama theme is bittersweet and mature, and it develops and grows into something younger and hopeful. The Roslin Confesses track is a fall from grace. The Shape of Things to Come is ecclesiastical revelation, and Passacaglia meditative. Much of this interpretation is due to where these themes were used in the show, but it's almost a reverse of traditional themes for me. Where Back to the Future's theme sounds zippy and actiony, it can also only apply to BttF-ish stuff; I would never buy a BttF score to listen to at home. McCreary's stuff is much more open, and while I know some of the spin I put on it is directly derived from the show, I'm able to listen to the tracks and apply them to non-BSG things. (His music is undeniably helpful as I write, because I can apply those broad emotional themes and basically have a soundtrack for the scene I'm writing.)


    McCreary's scoring of the show practically became another character for me. I was so attuned to the score, I picked up when Adama instruments were being used in Roslin's theme, or when a particular track was altered, and those tiny hints always paid off in character development. I've never had that experience, where slight alterations in a score truly deepen the emotional experience of the show, rather than just act as an overt prompt.

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    Image of Haroon Piracha Haroon Piracha
    06/12/09

    @limber: Well, I'm certainly not implying that there is something wrong with you for liking his stuff. But I can't help it. When you said you liked "Star Trek" I hope you're not referring to the remake, because if you were, thats where you really lost me. The music for Star Trek (2009) was an insult at best. I have never liked Star Trek Deep Space 9, but BOY does it have some epic score. Star Trek on the other hand was ... yea... that was not cool. All the star trek 2009 movie score was, was screams, and wailing and some drum hits with one or two trumpet note changes ... done, star trek 2009 ... So shameful... And to be quite honest with you, thats what I am hearing in the BSG music. So maybe I'm being a bit bias.


    Either way, I kind of get what you're saying. I'm very passionate about a themes though. And this approach McCreary's taking is something I'm really not keen to and I'm hoping other composers don't pick up on it. I can't help but feel it's the lazy way out. Why? because the method McCreary uses are a bit easy, not much talent required I suppose... I know you were immersed in the music but I look at that video specifically posted up with his mucis and I can't help but feel cheep because I couldn't follow the music with a melody. And a melodic tune is a bit of work so when it works with the film, I can't help but fall madly in love with the movie.

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    06/12/09

    @Haroon Piracha: I was referring to the remake, but again: it was the trailer music that caught my ear, and when I tracked it down it turned out to be reworked Children of Dune score. When I listened to some of the actual "Star Trek" 2009 score, it wasn't interesting, I didn't buy it.


    The music posted with the video above isn't the stuff I really love, it's what I consider more incidental, fighty music. I prefer the parts that sound like this:


    I'm no musician, I can't really judge from talent or effort. I just know that what he writes I find beautiful, very impressive during the show, and extremely useful to me as a standalone work. And considering a very small percentage of scores seem to be in my wheelhouse in that respect, I don't want it getting squashed by more traditional composition!


    What sort of theme are you thinking of, that makes you fall in love with a film? What films (I'm unfamiliar with the DS9 score)? And would you ever listen to the score while NOT watching the film?

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