How did Möbius get credit for the strip anyway? Did he solve the mystery of "what happens when you carelessly buckle your belt wrong" or something? Cool building, though. Not great for packing in bookshelves, but cool.
Where are the books? No one is holding a book. Are they hidden in the traditional yurts within the mobius yurt? Maybe that guy outside is looking for them under the rock? This is a beautiful building, but the pictures aren't doing the best job of communicating the function of the building.
And where are the cozy places to read? It's very bright in there.
@denisegp: I guess this is going to be an all-digital library? You download your books from wireless points hidden in the yurts. Then you walk around the building looking all trendy. Then you get bored b/c there's nothing to do except look out the windows, and nowhere to sit.
I live in Berlin, where we have the "brain", one of the main libraries of the "Freie Universität". It also looks pretty sci-fi. At the end of my post you´ll find a google-picture-search.
The library has one problem though. It is not fit for students to study there. First of all it has neither enough lockers, nor seats. Great stuff! The airconditioning is pretty innovative, but you still get headaches studying there. The air feels electrified or charged or something. I dont know exactly what it is. The last major issue is the constant background noise. The library is one huge bubble. Nothing breaks the noise. It´s terrible.
Being a nice building architecturewise, it completly misses the point of being a place to study.
It seems to me, Henderson will be right with his prediction.
@GevatterTod: Pure function isn't what architecture is necessarily about. The world is full of beautiful buildings which are slightly impractical. Saying "it misses the point" is just a judgment on your part, of what the "point" is.
@Pope John Peeps II: The point of a building -- any building -- is that it has to be functional. If the design gets in the way of that function, then the building is more a work of sculpture than a functional space. Certainly, it's great when a building can be beautiful and functional, and there are certainly times when it's appropriate to sacrifice some degree of functionality for purely aesthetic reasons, but a lot of contemporary architecture I see doesn't seem to care if it's functional or not. But that's just a judgment on my part. Please forgive me for having an opinion.
@Pope John Peeps II: all art is quite useless. the only point of a library is to be a library. to be art is not a point, that's like saying it's point is to be pointless.
@tetracycloide: That's what every non-artist says, and what every non-artist thinks that artists believe. The point of art should be art, but no artist believes that art is useless. Art points to things, art enlivens things. It enriches our experience of the world around us. It teaches us by unfolding. No art is every pointless, although sometimes it's created as pointlessly as possible.
And this building is a great example of where we're going. As humans we've progressed so far with engineering and building materials that the class of artists who create buildings is now obsessed with literally pushing the envelope of building. Of marrying function with a form so extravagant and beautiful that it looks like a monument.
What I see in Lamar and that German guy are people who SAY they believe in "function" but what they're actually doing is eschewing technology for conservatism. They aren't advocating "function" but the "aesthetic of function" which is a problem that almost every engineer I've ever met has.
@Pope John Peeps II: oscar wilde was a non-artist? really? that's the thesis of your argument? nearly as alarming is the more subtle point that there's even such a thing as a 'non-artist.'
Well, the name´s Philip. And I like where you´re taking this discussion. I like art, as well as I like the humanities (=the sciences of culture, right?). Both are heavely prejudiced against by pragmatist because they don´t see the inner value of those "disciplines"(?).
Still, I think there are limitations on how far they can go. The humanities must obey the scientific spirit of truthfulness and scientific accuracy. The arts on the other hand are not governed by anything but the artist him/herself. I love new and modern architecture. I love what the saudies (and certain asien states) are doing; building vetreous monuments just for the sake of it. But as I said, I think there still lies a problem within.
1) If you call something a library (eg. in order to get financing) it should be a library. If you wanna build a Möbius Strip-shaped (or brain-shaped) library, it still should obey certain core elements of a library. One main feature would be: Students should be able to study there.
If we go down this road, at one point the library (which was given money for by the government or the university) will not be a library anymore but only art. I can only speak for myself, but as a student who goes to the Freie Universität (FU) and has to use the Brain (pun appreciated), this library does indeed hinder my studies: I don´t like being there. So being all artsy and stuff, I still think a library should in fact be a library
2 ) If they make it math library I love it. 1) still applies though.
3) "Art points to things, art enlivens things. It enriches our experience of the world around us."
It does. But does that implie art should be everywhere? Just because it´s art? Just because you think not everybody appreciates the facts you state? Art has its places in the world. At home, in museums, on squares, in streets, also crafted in buildings as Hundertwasser reveals in many of his works ([de.wikipedia.org]). But Hundertswasser is also so great because he accomplishes to combine funcionality and art. Why should we allow artists to build us a reality which is not functional anymore (I exaggerate)?
I want to write more, but my brother´s sitting next to me and we wanna watch two Discworld movies. Reaper Man ftw!
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Niiiice!
This is a more appealing use of the words Mobius Strip and Kazkhstan than what I'm used to. Definitely easier on the eyes.
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And where are the cozy places to read? It's very bright in there.
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Although having said that, this will never, ever be built.
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I live in Berlin, where we have the "brain", one of the main libraries of the "Freie Universität". It also looks pretty sci-fi. At the end of my post you´ll find a google-picture-search.
The library has one problem though. It is not fit for students to study there. First of all it has neither enough lockers, nor seats. Great stuff! The airconditioning is pretty innovative, but you still get headaches studying there. The air feels electrified or charged or something. I dont know exactly what it is. The last major issue is the constant background noise. The library is one huge bubble. Nothing breaks the noise. It´s terrible.
Being a nice building architecturewise, it completly misses the point of being a place to study.
It seems to me, Henderson will be right with his prediction.
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And this building is a great example of where we're going. As humans we've progressed so far with engineering and building materials that the class of artists who create buildings is now obsessed with literally pushing the envelope of building. Of marrying function with a form so extravagant and beautiful that it looks like a monument.
What I see in Lamar and that German guy are people who SAY they believe in "function" but what they're actually doing is eschewing technology for conservatism. They aren't advocating "function" but the "aesthetic of function" which is a problem that almost every engineer I've ever met has.
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Well, the name´s Philip. And I like where you´re taking this discussion. I like art, as well as I like the humanities (=the sciences of culture, right?). Both are heavely prejudiced against by pragmatist because they don´t see the inner value of those "disciplines"(?).
Still, I think there are limitations on how far they can go. The humanities must obey the scientific spirit of truthfulness and scientific accuracy. The arts on the other hand are not governed by anything but the artist him/herself. I love new and modern architecture. I love what the saudies (and certain asien states) are doing; building vetreous monuments just for the sake of it. But as I said, I think there still lies a problem within.
1) If you call something a library (eg. in order to get financing) it should be a library. If you wanna build a Möbius Strip-shaped (or brain-shaped) library, it still should obey certain core elements of a library. One main feature would be: Students should be able to study there.
If we go down this road, at one point the library (which was given money for by the government or the university) will not be a library anymore but only art. I can only speak for myself, but as a student who goes to the Freie Universität (FU) and has to use the Brain (pun appreciated), this library does indeed hinder my studies: I don´t like being there. So being all artsy and stuff, I still think a library should in fact be a library
2 ) If they make it math library I love it. 1) still applies though.
3) "Art points to things, art enlivens things. It enriches our experience of the world around us."
It does. But does that implie art should be everywhere? Just because it´s art? Just because you think not everybody appreciates the facts you state? Art has its places in the world. At home, in museums, on squares, in streets, also crafted in buildings as Hundertwasser reveals in many of his works ([de.wikipedia.org]). But Hundertswasser is also so great because he accomplishes to combine funcionality and art. Why should we allow artists to build us a reality which is not functional anymore (I exaggerate)?
I want to write more, but my brother´s sitting next to me and we wanna watch two Discworld movies. Reaper Man ftw!
To be continued… ;-)