No Khan. Let's see some new villains, some new ideas, or at least have some kick-ass unreconstructed Klingons. Plenty of potential for 'splody stuff there, and instead of the "one crazy dude out for revenge" we'd have the whole politics of Federation vs. Klingons.
In 2009? It doesn't hold up that well, laughable in places, overly melodramatic in others. That Mr. Roarke guy is still good, even without the midget. RIP, Ricardo.
And what actor would be foolish enough to take on the role of Khan in a new movie? Not the relatively quiet TV show Khan, of course, but the all out madman, scenery chewing, long haired, heavy pec'd, over the top whackadoodle Khan in all his leathery Wrath.
I know ST has had trouble coming up with resonant villains to carry the movies, but maybe the solution is more plots that don't center around some trumped up conflict. Many of the best TV episodes were based on dramatic explorations of an idea, not battles.
@harlock_JDS: I think it comes down to the difference between a continuing character and a one-time appearance. New Kirk and Spock will have a (sorely needed) chance to develop over several movies. Khan, I presume, would come back once. If it's a Wrath retread, abandon all hope ye who enter here. If its Space Seed or some "new" Khan, well, why not boldly go. . .
@able-x: Yeah. What you said, in more words, below. I understand rebooting the series regulars -- financially and dramatically -- but revisiting a one-off like Khan takes lazy pandering too far.
Shatner's Kirk is dead. Without employing a flashback via Spock Prime (as they considered for the first film), there is no context for bringing him back.
I am telling you Doomsday Machine could be worked into an adventure TMP could only DREAM of being with very minimal work. AND could bring in the much needed exploring strange new worlds by making the Weapon more of a moving generation ship thats lost its crew than just a literal cornucopia of death.
And you could make it SO much better with a movie budget.
Make Decker less crazy, make the whole crew actually split between people who want to follow decker in battling the weapon and people who want to follow Kirk and Spock.
Have not only Kirk and Scotty beaming to the nearly destroyed Constellation, BUT have them or maybe Spock and some of the crew beam to the weapon it's self and try to explore a way of disabling the thing without trying to destroy it in a hopeless one on one battle like Decker wants to do. At this point they find out about the alien race who developed it, but no information as to why its in our universe or what killed them.
End with a ending close to the one we got with maybe Decker himself destroying the ship with his, instead of Kirk making Decker a lot more sympathetic a character especially since he was the reason his crew was killed than the bag o crazy the original was.
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In 2009? It doesn't hold up that well, laughable in places, overly melodramatic in others. That Mr. Roarke guy is still good, even without the midget. RIP, Ricardo.
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Benicio del Toro
Antonio Banderas
John Stamos
Gary Oldman
Christopher Lee
Samuel L. Jackson
David Bowie
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Javier Bardem
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Or maybe they could actually an East Indian this time,instead of a Mexican impersonating a Sikh?
Naveen Andrews from LOST, maybe?
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That said, Naveen with some crazy hair and his pecs showing would be awesome. Yummy.
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I know ST has had trouble coming up with resonant villains to carry the movies, but maybe the solution is more plots that don't center around some trumped up conflict. Many of the best TV episodes were based on dramatic explorations of an idea, not battles.
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What actor would be foolish enough to take the role of Kirk? or Spock?
Besides we would probably see a Kahn more like space seed not the out for revenge wrath Kahn.
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Why can't everyone just move on?
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Klingons (old-skool TOS badass, not the later kind) yes.
Something entirely new, yes.
Doomsday Machine, yes.
BORG NO.
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Harcourt
Fenton
Mudd!
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Make Decker less crazy, make the whole crew actually split between people who want to follow decker in battling the weapon and people who want to follow Kirk and Spock.
Have not only Kirk and Scotty beaming to the nearly destroyed Constellation, BUT have them or maybe Spock and some of the crew beam to the weapon it's self and try to explore a way of disabling the thing without trying to destroy it in a hopeless one on one battle like Decker wants to do. At this point they find out about the alien race who developed it, but no information as to why its in our universe or what killed them.
End with a ending close to the one we got with maybe Decker himself destroying the ship with his, instead of Kirk making Decker a lot more sympathetic a character especially since he was the reason his crew was killed than the bag o crazy the original was.
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