Oh, for the love of God! First, the Klingons tell Kirk that no one has ever escaped from Rura Penthe before, and he's off the planet before lunch the next day.
Then, we find out that Jonathan Archer had actually escaped from Rura Penthe, too, because... well, I guess because he's Jonathan Archer.
Now we find out that Nero ALSO escaped from Rura Penthe?
Jeebus, that place should just have a revolving teleporter near the entrance!
Also: The die-hard fans? We're your audience, Abrams. You'd better damn well cater to us.
@Smeagol92055: Well, Archer will have still escaped, but now Kirk hasn't. Also, three people in the span of what, hundreds of years isn't exactly revolving teleproter.
@coren: Well he (Archer) might not have been there at all. Not that I've seen that episode. But the timeline probably changed at a point prior to Nero's arrival, because all the time traveling after that happened differently or not at all. Like, uh, Tomorrow is Yesterday, or the events of Star Trek IV, or the TNG episode Time's Arrow, or the DS9 episode Little Green Men. That all changes. Hence why the Enterprise is all shiny with lens flares - history changes at least as far back as the 19th century. #startrek
Please, *not* the Borg. While they were cool at one point, Voyager pretty much proved that there's only so much you can do with them before The Worf Effect kicks in, and you start needing to bring sexxxxxy Borg Queens and things in - which *has been done*.
For this new Star Trek to work it must get away from the "nipple on the suit" arguments and focus on story, story, and – oh yeah – story!
The "Nipple on the suit" argument harkens back to the dark days of the downfall of the Batman franchise when interviews would focus an unholy time on the origins of the nipples on the batsuit.
Nothing on the story, just endless debate on an effing stupid nipple. I think we should stop here with the Kobahashi Maru this, and the Kingons that.
Let’s not forget Star Trek was a TV series NOT a movie originally.
TPTB, if you’re reading, do like Richard Donner, Peter Jackson, Quentin Tarantino, Robert Zemeckis, the Wachowski brothers and film one long movie then break it into equal parts.
Spread the wealth with storyline arcs evenly compartmentalized between the ensemble cast, give everybody a moment to shine because at the rate this is going (to film the sequel and maybe another one) the actors will be too old, too expensive and we’ll have seen about a week of storyline in a decade.
Romulans and Vulcans aren't jarringly different from humans in appearance. I think that was a deliberate choice by the writers, take advantage of ST's humanoid alien heritage.
It probably helped from alienating (no pun) casual audience goers.
But the sequel demands and expansion of those ideas of the original. You can't go klingons and then romulans...
Klingons are the follow up. The audience needs a monster now.
@JohnnyZito: But the Klingons still don't, or shouldn't, have the head ridges. Especially since the events from Enterprise happened well before the events that changed the time line in the new movie.
They're just angry looking humanoids with fu-man-chu style mustaches.
@Bhockzer: that's silly. why make the same decision when the reasons for that decision, budget constraints, no longer exist? the in universe explination for the klingon apperances is so needlessly convoluted what possible reason could there be not to dispense with it and just start with one consistant apperance now that budget is no longer a factor. who cares if it's not in keeping with the cannon of the original universe, they're not in that universe anymore.
@Dunny0: Onlysome of them lost their ridges, but this somehow made them more awesome, so they got to be the soldiers because they were more better fighters. That was the explanation I heard. I prefer Worf's.
@blarblarnyar: Something other than Klingon opera? That would be a hoot.
I was surprised when he didn't get a song in Glee, though his performances in Eli Stone weren't exactly top notch.
@blarblarnyar: He's a recurring character in Glee, so it's completely possible he'll end up with a song or two in later episodes (at least that's what I'm hoping).
@naugahydeinplainsight: Oh, I actually thought he sounded great in Eli Stone, even though he's obviously trained in the theatre world, rather than as a pop singer.
@franklinshepard: Reebok certainly is better, but maybe they worried back then that not enough people would be familiar with the brand. (And Keds is written on the shoe, so it makes a little sense.)
Use of the unfinished WTC near the end reads so differently now. And for the kids out there, no, it's not a Fringe-like alternate universe. Though in a way, I suppose it is.
@franklinshepard:
Uh what? Keds is a brand of sneakers, I don't see how it makes any more or less sense than Reebok. Also, "Keds" was the original line from the stage production, so yeah.
@Scaramanga9: Yeah, Keds was the original line. At the time, Keds and Converse were the dominant shoe brand for that demographic. Reebok would make no sense. Reeboks weren't sold in the US in the early 70s.
I am telling you Doomsday Machine could be worked into an adventure TMP could only DREAM of being with very minimal work. AND could bring in the much needed exploring strange new worlds by making the Weapon more of a moving generation ship thats lost its crew than just a literal cornucopia of death.
And you could make it SO much better with a movie budget.
Make Decker less crazy, make the whole crew actually split between people who want to follow decker in battling the weapon and people who want to follow Kirk and Spock.
Have not only Kirk and Scotty beaming to the nearly destroyed Constellation, BUT have them or maybe Spock and some of the crew beam to the weapon it's self and try to explore a way of disabling the thing without trying to destroy it in a hopeless one on one battle like Decker wants to do. At this point they find out about the alien race who developed it, but no information as to why its in our universe or what killed them.
End with a ending close to the one we got with maybe Decker himself destroying the ship with his, instead of Kirk making Decker a lot more sympathetic a character especially since he was the reason his crew was killed than the bag o crazy the original was.
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Then, we find out that Jonathan Archer had actually escaped from Rura Penthe, too, because... well, I guess because he's Jonathan Archer.
Now we find out that Nero ALSO escaped from Rura Penthe?
Jeebus, that place should just have a revolving teleporter near the entrance!
Also: The die-hard fans? We're your audience, Abrams. You'd better damn well cater to us.
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Cooking with K'lpath!
Are You Smarter than a Human Weakling?
Decapitation with the Stars!
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The "Nipple on the suit" argument harkens back to the dark days of the downfall of the Batman franchise when interviews would focus an unholy time on the origins of the nipples on the batsuit.
Nothing on the story, just endless debate on an effing stupid nipple. I think we should stop here with the Kobahashi Maru this, and the Kingons that.
Let’s not forget Star Trek was a TV series NOT a movie originally.
TPTB, if you’re reading, do like Richard Donner, Peter Jackson, Quentin Tarantino, Robert Zemeckis, the Wachowski brothers and film one long movie then break it into equal parts.
Spread the wealth with storyline arcs evenly compartmentalized between the ensemble cast, give everybody a moment to shine because at the rate this is going (to film the sequel and maybe another one) the actors will be too old, too expensive and we’ll have seen about a week of storyline in a decade.
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It probably helped from alienating (no pun) casual audience goers.
But the sequel demands and expansion of those ideas of the original. You can't go klingons and then romulans...
Klingons are the follow up. The audience needs a monster now.
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They're just angry looking humanoids with fu-man-chu style mustaches.
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I agree with tetracycloide: Just give them ridges and be done with it.
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I was surprised when he didn't get a song in Glee, though his performances in Eli Stone weren't exactly top notch.
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Also they killed that joke at the beginning - it's supposed to go like this:
Jesus: "It says rejoice!"
Disciple: "It says Reebok."
Keds make no sense.
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Use of the unfinished WTC near the end reads so differently now. And for the kids out there, no, it's not a Fringe-like alternate universe. Though in a way, I suppose it is.
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Uh what? Keds is a brand of sneakers, I don't see how it makes any more or less sense than Reebok. Also, "Keds" was the original line from the stage production, so yeah.
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I love that guy so much. Heee.
So, was he the dude who hit his head on the light in the Star Trek blooper reel?
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Klingons (old-skool TOS badass, not the later kind) yes.
Something entirely new, yes.
Doomsday Machine, yes.
BORG NO.
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Harcourt
Fenton
Mudd!
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Make Decker less crazy, make the whole crew actually split between people who want to follow decker in battling the weapon and people who want to follow Kirk and Spock.
Have not only Kirk and Scotty beaming to the nearly destroyed Constellation, BUT have them or maybe Spock and some of the crew beam to the weapon it's self and try to explore a way of disabling the thing without trying to destroy it in a hopeless one on one battle like Decker wants to do. At this point they find out about the alien race who developed it, but no information as to why its in our universe or what killed them.
End with a ending close to the one we got with maybe Decker himself destroying the ship with his, instead of Kirk making Decker a lot more sympathetic a character especially since he was the reason his crew was killed than the bag o crazy the original was.
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