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Jeremy Williams
05/13/09

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I only read the first page of comments, so most likely someone already mentioned this and/or others like me won't read this on the 4th page. Anyway, first of all, the way I see it, there are only going to be two realities in Fringe. Second of all, I understand that Olivia can travel from one reality to the other, but the realities in the Fringe universe have always been connected by the same location. For example, when Olivia travels between the two in Broyles' office, she remains in the same place; she isn't in Broyles' office one second and the women's bathroom the next. Sooooo, in the finale, she's in a restaurant in a building, she gets into the elevator, we "know" that she travels between the realities, then enters William Bell's office... which is magically in one of the twin towers. Since the twin towers have been destroyed in Earth-Prime, the restaurant she was in must have been in a different location. I am a HUGE proponent of suspending disbelief, but for some reason this really bugged me.

I will say I wasn't a big Fringe fan early on (I still can't stand the Olivia Dunham character and Walter has grown on me), but the multiple realities really makes me wet.
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Evil Tortie's Mom: R.O.A.C.H.
05/13/09

@Jeremy Williams: DO try reading the comments, dear boy -- everything you said was thoroughly discussed on pg. 2.
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matthewtoney
05/13/09

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The episode was cool, but since they gave us that explanation of Peter, how are they gonna handle that with all the other characters? Where is alternate Walter? Olivia? and is there an alternate Bell that William Bell has to have some kind of relationship with in order to go back and forth all the time?
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05/13/09

@matthewtoney: Bell probably whacked alt-Bell and took his place.

Maybe Walter killed alt-Walter (probably accidentally) when he stole alt-Peter?

Maybe the cortexifan experiments were never done on the other Earth, so Olivia is just an FBI agent who doesn't dimension-jump.
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Wesman
05/13/09

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Maybe the other Earth is invading our Earth because they want their Peter back. Maybe our Earth has been kidnapping their children for years.
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Annalee Newitz
05/13/09

@Wesman: But then they kidnap our kids back, thus leading to the whole "kids on milk cartons" phenom.
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MrTim
05/13/09

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"No, we still don't know why Jones wants to go to Earth-1, especially given that last week we found out it's full of bombed-out buildings and quarantine zones."

My guess is it's because Earth-1 has more experience with interdimensional tech and might be able to stabilize him. Either that or he's the Earth-1 Jones and he needs to report to his bosses before he dissolves into a puddle of goo.

"For some reason, nobody seems to guess what the hell she's talking about even though they know all that stuff I just recapped for you about the two Earths and the dimension doors."

I got the impression that Broyles already suspected, he just didn't say anything. And Olivia clearly got it. The only one who seemed unclear on the concept was Charlie, but a) he's the surrogate for the part of the audience that needs more explanation and b) it's still not clear just how in-the-loop he was beforehand.

"Is it just Earth Prime and Earth-1 or are there infinite Earths?"

Oh, indubitably infinite Earths. And the Observer is, if I may drift from DC to Marvel momentarily, a less omniscient version of the Watcher.
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Annalee Newitz
05/13/09

@nocturnal99: Exactly. This isn't exactly a show that seems terribly concerned with realism.
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Outlandish
05/13/09

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Two words: "Charlie Jade". Surprised the i09 folks didn't reference it in some way as they have far more time to dink with this stuff than me.

And a request: Please stop referring to Olivia's associates as "the scoobies" the show is good and demands more respect than that term implies.
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Annalee Newitz
05/13/09

@Outlandish: Hey now. We called Buffy's gang the Scoobies. Therefore to call Olivia's gang the Scoobies is to give serious respect. I'm using Buffy language. That's high praise, and possibly not even deserved.
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RobinSure
05/13/09

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I liked the ending of this, was quite impressed to see the towers. It's been done before, but this did it rather nicely. Unfortunately, I think they got the ending the wrong way round. I understand they wanted to finish on the WTC, as that would have the biggest impact with the audience (who are meant to be american obviously, us Brits only get to see it via torrents etc.), but I felt the reveal about Peter was the more important one. I think it should have been seen last.
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MrTim
05/13/09

@RobinSure: I'm not sure that either of those really qualifies as a reveal. I mean, sure, we didn't see the World Trade Center specifically as being significant, but we knew Olivia wasn't in Kansas anymore. And they gave the game away on the Peter issue with the "lost something precious" line.
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Evil Tortie's Mom: R.O.A.C.H.
05/13/09

@MrTim: Not to mention everyone had been suspecting Peter was from alt-Earth for months now. Go back and read the comments on previous recaps and you'll see many people had that figured out. When Peter specifically said he remembered his action figure having the scar on the other side, for instance.
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it must be bunnies
05/13/09

@Evil Tortie's Mom: R.O.A.C.H: You owe me a beer! Guinness will do :)
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05/13/09

@it must be bunnies: C'mon over! I actually have some.
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Evil Tortie's Mom: R.O.A.C.H.
05/13/09

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The scenes between Peter and Walter was so very nice. I love how they show their relationship and the development of it. The pancake story was adorable.
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Pope John Peeps II
05/13/09

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I would love it if the ZFT manuscript turns out to have been written maybe not by William Bell, but by Walter Prime on an identical typewriter?

Also, maybe the reason Walter invented the patch gun is to prevent an infuriated Walter-Prime from following him to this world to take back his son. I mean, wouldn't you be pissed if alternate world you stole your kid?
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MitchKayak
05/13/09

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Also, you will notice on the newspaper that it says that the stock market has been closed for 21 days and counting, I think if you work that backwards something big happened on 4/20.

Also did anyone notice that in the last episode where Olivia has the flash to the bombed out Boston there is graffiti on one on the buildings in big yellow letters that says, "HE IS HERE". I'm assuming that means something.
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Evil Tortie's Mom: R.O.A.C.H.
05/13/09

@MitchKayak: I guess the stock market was closed after the big attack that Olivia saw flashes of. Maybe it wasn't just Boston bombed.
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Annalee Newitz
05/13/09

@MitchKayak: Hahaha. It's always 4/20 in the Fringeverse.
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05/13/09

@Annalee Newitz: duuuuuuude.
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mtaylor924
05/13/09

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I don't think the people on the elevator in Manhattan were from another Earth (other than Prime or 1). AFAIK the hotel she was in was not at ground zero.

My theory is that Bell first pulled her into the alternate dimension, then used the (now perfected) transporter device to pull her from the hotel elevator to the WTC elevator rather than making her hop a cab downtown. So - if this is correct, there is only one alternate earth, not many.

Also, if Bell has perfected the transporter technology in the alternate earth, that might be the precise reason Jones wanted to cross over - to be fixed, not (just) to kill Bell.
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Evil Tortie's Mom: R.O.A.C.H.
05/13/09

@mtaylor924: All that stuff you said there, that's exactly what I was thinking.

The other people were in the alt-Earth hotel elevator, then Bell zapped her to the WTC elevator.

And I'm pretty sure Jones wanted to get fixed and knew Bell could do it.
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Garrison Dean: R.O.A.C.H.
05/13/09

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I'm just glad I was sort of right about the Lens Flares way back at the beginning of the season.
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Evil Tortie's Mom: R.O.A.C.H.
05/13/09

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Was Olivia-1 experimented on?

How could Olivia get from some hotel to the Twin Towers? I thought you ended up in the same geographical location between worlds, and there's no hotel at Ground Zero. But maybe Bell's got better transport.
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MrTim
05/13/09

@Evil Tortie's Mom: R.O.A.C.H: We know that teleportation and time travel are linked, probably dimension travel is derived from the same principles too. If there was a dimensional travel device (screw it, I'm going to start just using "d-hopper" from now on!) in the elevator, it would probably have been relatively easy to add in a teleporter as well.
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05/13/09

@MrTim: Yeah, I thought of that like 5 min. after I posted. But thanks.
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twophrasebark
05/13/09

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"Also: A newspaper on Bell's desk shows that Obama is president of Earth-1 too."

Yes, but Joe Lieberman is Vice President.

You can't have everything.
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twophrasebark
05/13/09

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Perhaps they all think there are only two Earths, but Nina can see more...
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Evil Tortie's Mom: R.O.A.C.H.
05/13/09

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How did Olivia not figure that there was something hinky about the call to go to NYC? I was thinking it was obviously a trap, what with the "tell no one", or else that someone was luring her with a fake Sharp-voice. Why did she wait so long before calling? Duh?

Was Jones really going to kill Bell, or was it to show off to his "father figure" how he'd gotten the teleportation to work, or to beg Bell to fix him?

And yes, the city she saw bombed out last week was Boston, her home base. Charlie was there in both Earths.
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