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    Image of ceilingFANBOY ceilingFANBOY
    02/06/09

    In reply to Black Holes Could Be Brewing Under Switzerland by Late 2009
    They are going to get it started up just in time to have it break down again until 2012.
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    02/06/09

    In reply to Black Holes Could Be Brewing Under Switzerland by Late 2009
    Where is Swizerland?


    Is it near Autria?

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    Image of lightninglouie lightninglouie
    02/06/09

    In reply to Black Holes Could Be Brewing Under Switzerland by Late 2009
    Well hey, it may lead to the destruction of Earth, but if it means I can have a farcaster-connected dreamhouse with oceanfront views on six star systems, I'm all in favor of it.
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    Image of Grey_Area Grey_Area
    02/06/09

    In reply to Black Holes Could Be Brewing Under Switzerland by Late 2009
    I'm confused. Wasn't Higgs-Boson the butler on Magnum P.I.?
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    11/17/08

    In reply to Will the Global Economic Crisis Kill the Large Hadron Collider?
    Well, when it opens up a wormwhole to a planet made out of gold this project will totally be worth it.
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    Image of tetracycloide tetracycloide
    11/17/08

    In reply to Will the Global Economic Crisis Kill the Large Hadron Collider?
    i've got it! annalee is actually Sir David King, the former head of the UK government office of science. it all makes sense now.
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    Image of Annalee Newitz Annalee Newitz
    11/17/08

    In reply to Will the Global Economic Crisis Kill the Large Hadron Collider?
    The upside of the economic downturn is that it will delay the inevitable end of the world caused by the LHC.
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    Image of corpore-metal corpore-metal
    11/17/08

    In reply to Will the Global Economic Crisis Kill the Large Hadron Collider?
    I think IO9 is borrowing a little trouble here.


    1) They spent a lot of money to build this thing in the first place. Now that's finished, they have to expect maintenance.


    2) This thing has a very specific goal: Find or fail to find the Higgs boson. The first experiments haven't even started yet.


    3) No one has ever built a machine like this before, unexpected failures can happen and have to be dealt with. I pretty sure the planners knew this going in.


    4) This is mostly an EU project (I mean I know it's true an international project with funding and staff from all around the world but--). I think there is a little quasi-nationalist pride involved with this because of that. The Europeans want to show Asia and North America what's what.


    5) 21 million is tiny in comparison to what national governments, even pretty small ones, spend many other programs.


    When you spend that much money significant social inertia is generated. We're in it now. If they decided to stop it today, it might take a few years for it to slowly grind to a halt.

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    Image of Gann Gann
    11/17/08

    @corpore-metal:


    6) On a project this size and complexity, the contractor has the upper hand on negotiating small additional fees. It's not the smartest thing to dole something like this out to the lowest bidder.


    BTW, they won't find the Higgs Boson.

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    11/17/08

    @Gann: I'm not sure the funding and building of the LHC was handled in the same way as defense or other government contracts are in the US so, I don't think the sixth point is a good one.


    In the case of the Higgs, well, probably not, but we won't know until we try right? The experiment is clearly defined--we have a very good idea what the mass of the Higgs should be--and the Higgs is required by the Standard Model, if we don't find it, the Standard Model must be revised.

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    Image of Gann Gann
    11/17/08

    @corpore-metal: It's not so much a contract issue as it is a pragmatic one. Do you a) pay a little extra to get the work done by someone you're familiar with who you know knows the project, or do you b) hire someone else to save a little $?
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    Image of evildead1971 evildead1971
    11/17/08

    In reply to Will the Global Economic Crisis Kill the Large Hadron Collider?
    if they turn it on and it ends the world, our economic problems are solved :D
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    Image of Meirelle Meirelle
    11/19/08

    @evildead1971: That's why it can't be fixed until 2012.
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    Image of ReubenJiblical ReubenJiblical
    11/17/08

    In reply to Will the Global Economic Crisis Kill the Large Hadron Collider?
    I hope that there is security camera footage of that leak, I bet liquid helium looks really cool when it spills into an enclosed tunnel
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    Image of tetracycloide tetracycloide
    11/17/08

    @ReubenJiblical: not just liquid helium. mere liquid helium is for science projects, no the LHC is cooled by superflid helium. a substance that literally flows uphill under the right conditions. cool indeed (pun intended).
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    Image of Klebert L. Hall Klebert L. Hall
    11/17/08

    In reply to Will the Global Economic Crisis Kill the Large Hadron Collider?
    "Can a shrinking global economy support the LHC?"


    Yes, it can. $21 million is chump change, especially for governments. For example, the current powerball jackpot is $50 million, raised by asking people to throw their money away - there's profit on top of the jackpot, too.


    The LHC has already cost enough that repairs on this scale are going to go through, it's just a matter of when.

    -Kle.

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    Image of tetracycloide tetracycloide
    11/17/08

    @Klebert L. Hall: what a succinct and level-headed way to evalute such an absurd claim. further bolstering your argument is the location of the LHC and it's source of funding, Europe.
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