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    Science Fiction That Caused Political Change
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    Image of Meirelle Meirelle
    11/04/08

    In reply to Science Fiction That Caused Political Change
    I had to read "Looking Backward" in my Utopia/Dystopia class in college. It was terrible. I try to forget about it.
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    11/04/08

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    Great post!
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    11/04/08

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    China Syndrome
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    11/04/08

    @Final: You beat me!
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    Image of Pope John Peeps II Pope John Peeps II
    11/04/08

    In reply to Science Fiction That Caused Political Change
    What about Zamyatin's "We"? It's a pretty landmark work. I'm surprised it's not here.


    And you have it ABSOLUTELY wrong on Heinlein. He wrote Strangers after Leary and the counterculture drug movement, and he wrote after the zen-influenced American Beat movement.


    He basically cribbed off their thought, substituting adolescent horniness and absolute misogyny for sexual liberation and spiritual growth, added a huge spoonful of right-wing craziness, and ended up with a hugely marketable product.


    Also, I can't even believe you compared him to Hesse. It's like comparing the planet Jupiter to a glassy marble lying on the street.

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    11/04/08

    @Pope John Peeps II: Which one's the marble in this analogy?
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    11/04/08

    @Sproing: seriously? I'm not even answering that.
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    11/04/08

    @Pope John Peeps II: Is it "Hate Heinlein Day" already? Wow, time flies!
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    11/04/08

    @RAHfanboy: It's the default setting. Occasionally, the pendulum swings over into 'Tolerate Heinlein', but since the mount is canted so far to the left, it seldom stays in that zone.
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    11/04/08

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    Why does SF have such deep interaction with conservative political thought? Is it because so much of the literature deals with threats to the status quo from the Other?
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    11/04/08

    In reply to Science Fiction That Caused Political Change
    An interesting list, but works of SF have influenced politics in other way.
    Cautionary tales have also affected politics, by demonizing some movements or preventing certain futures from coming about.
    1984 is one example; I'm sure there's more.
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    11/04/08

    @James7344: "The China Syndrome" pretty much halted any advances in nuclear power. Hanoi Jane strikes again.
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    Image of HerrIssyvoo HerrIssyvoo
    11/04/08

    In reply to Science Fiction That Caused Political Change
    Another one for the list: John Brunner, particularly The Sheep Look Up. Wasn't he also involved in the creation of the peace sign?
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    11/04/08

    @HerrIssyvoo: Brunner was an awesome, awesome doomsayer. And a lot of his speculative creations (like the Internet) are new real.


    Is your sig an Isherwood ref? Love it.

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    @Sproing: Now real.
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