This series had some fantastic, tremendous uses of Brian Wilson's "SMiLE", although it may have been better suited to the original series - regretfully the album was still 40 years from completion when the original series came out. Poor Brian pretty much was The Prisoner for about a decade in between, too.
yes i love the name Anti-Prisoner because this show can not hold a flame to the original.is there a lesson to be learned i say yes.
Stop The Damn Remakes and use your brains to invent new stuff.
@rixax: The problem is my $1000 a day coke habit that I have to support by cashing in on all your beloved memories.
(I'm still pretending to be an AMC executive. You know how they're all about coke parties and conspicuous consumption and high class call girls down there, it's like Wall Street during the 80's. or 90's. or 00's.)
What do you mean? I loved the final ending to Fall Out! (and was quite disappointed that they used that other song rather than "Dem Bones" in the remake)
As for this new series -- it wasn't as bad as is could (and probably should) have been. The ending was okay, and crazy cake-eating #2 was pretty good, though they never quite decided whether his character was supposed to be more of a friendly oppressor Leo McKern or sadistic Patrick Cargill.
That said, I'm sorry, but this new Number 6 was a waste of space.
It was quite odd, since everybody in the Village tip-toed around him the same way they did in the original, but he did nothing to deserve it. Other than asking a few questions in the first episode, he spent his entire time running around in the desert, standing around looking confused, or telling #2 that he didn't trust him. He completely lacked McGoohan's force of personality and "question everything" nature, and only got directly into another character's face twice during the entire series.
Where was the man who "makes putting on his dressing gown appear as an act of defiance"?
I guess it's time to drag out the "Nowhere Man" DVD's if I want to see a Prisoner sequel done properly.
I will give it that it's kind of an interesting twist on what the village is, but the thing that really got me was that even in the context of the show, it didn't make sense. Why were the people in the Village so afraid of Number 2 then? What was the whole point of Michael's resignation? And in the end, the stupid idiot didn't even really fight against anything. Instead of being about fighting for your right to be an individual, to not conform, the show ends with him signing up and joining the party.
Oh, and actually, I'm a guy who really liked the "Dem Bones" song in the original. Like the most of the ending, it was metaphorical. It went from Number 46 singing crazily and exuberantly on his own and screwing up the machinery of the state, to the state co-opting his song and drowning him out with a crowd singing along to a more polished recording of it. It was about the nature of youthful rebellion, and how society has ways of controlling it. In the real world, All the hippies became disco dancers and then became stockbrokers who bought "Freedom Rock" albums. Think about it.
all of the people in the village weren't real people in the real world. many of them, 2's son 1112 in particular, were from the village i.e. were always just figments of 2's wife's imagination.
i'm also not convinced all the people in the village that were real people were actually all that damaged. 313 was an extream example of someone barely able to function in the real world who magically transforms into a completely sane, mostly normal doctor in the village. other real people, like 147 who, while not having custody of his kid, really didn't seem all that different from any other single father who doesn't have custody of their kid.
my impression of the opening in the desert was that 6 entered the village on accident while investigating summakor before he resigned and that it was entering the village that caused him to resign. he's out in the desert because that's where the doors to the real world were and he can only vaugly recall the real world because he's actually just one small part of the real world 6's mind. the fact that he was never really supposed to be there is laregly the source of his rejection of the environment in which he finds himself.
I strenuously disagree! (Literally, I'm typing from the floor so that I will have to strain to disagree, such is the extent of my commitment to my disagreement!)
I loved it. Loved the imagery. Loved the HD-ery. Loved the characters. Loved, loved the ending. Loved the extent to which the WTF-ery actually made sense in the context of the ending - seriously, how often does that happen?
Of course 6 was always walking the line between acceptance and rebellion. He was not a action hero or a guerrilla that was inexplicably not action-oriented or guerrilla style. He was a person who was an incredible egotist who was more interested in self-identifying as free than actually fighting for freedom.
He wanted to be unique, different, but not at any real cost. He was drawn to aspects of the village and hated that about himself. But not too much. Not enough to get too self-reflective. He was "human."
And 2 was more "human" because he actually believed he was doing good. (Of course, to me, this made him and his wife despicably evil!)
There were no black and white good guys or bad guys, just people. Lots of flawed, broken, often egotistical people.
Of course, I was also watching it as my Mad Men fill in, so I loved the pacing. Give me quiet and silence. Give me slow scenes and freeze on looks and make soft cutaways to hands.
That was my main thought afterwards. This would actually have benefitted from being a longer series(different lead actor), cause aside from number 112, I didn't care about any of these characters needing to be there. The black guys daughter died so how is that better?
Oh, and the US-LOM ending was way better than this.
About Capt. Pike, I think we did in fact get to see what a series with him as captain would be like, and it was called Enterprise. Archer's crisis of conscience about being captain is mirrored by that of Capt. Pike. I think the similarity would have ended up with a captain who just wasn't very likable and thus not compelling to watch, which was Archer in Enterprise for me.
Which is an interesting realization for me, because I used to think that Archer was Star Trek's failed attempt to copy Malcolm Reynolds' bad attitude (which is also something that was changed from actual to official pilot, BTW) and Enterprise was a failed copy of Firefly in general because it couldn't match the good writing and compelling stories.
The final season of Enterprise finally started to have the feel of something I was excited to see, and had a lot of joy in itself as part of a mythology to be explored with gusto and abandon. Then again, the first season of every version of Trek was a poor representation of what they later became, it seems like, over time.
interesting comparisons, especially because, let's face it, Malcolm Reynolds would not have been the same without Kirk in the first place. But I think the main difference between Kirk and Pike is that Pike is clearly at the end of his starship career. Unlike Kirk, he would take an admiralty in a heartbeat.
I actually think "The Menagerie" improved on "The Cage" because the ending was much more poignant. The original ending of "The Cage" (the girl going off with the counterfeit Pike) was more than a little creepy.
The conversion of Linda Hamilton's totally Kick Ass Sarah to the dreaded Helicopter Mom played by Lena Heady. Just a perfect case study of how women were viewed in the late 80's versus now.
11/18/09
You might even say that was a Christ-like thing to do.
See? It's just like McGoohan and Danger Man, except it's Caviezel and The Passion. Same actor playing the same character on two different shows.
11/18/09
That's all. Carry on.
11/18/09
11/18/09
Stop The Damn Remakes and use your brains to invent new stuff.
11/18/09
11/19/09
11/19/09
(I'm still pretending to be an AMC executive. You know how they're all about coke parties and conspicuous consumption and high class call girls down there, it's like Wall Street during the 80's. or 90's. or 00's.)
#speakup
11/18/09
As for this new series -- it wasn't as bad as is could (and probably should) have been. The ending was okay, and crazy cake-eating #2 was pretty good, though they never quite decided whether his character was supposed to be more of a friendly oppressor Leo McKern or sadistic Patrick Cargill.
That said, I'm sorry, but this new Number 6 was a waste of space.
It was quite odd, since everybody in the Village tip-toed around him the same way they did in the original, but he did nothing to deserve it. Other than asking a few questions in the first episode, he spent his entire time running around in the desert, standing around looking confused, or telling #2 that he didn't trust him. He completely lacked McGoohan's force of personality and "question everything" nature, and only got directly into another character's face twice during the entire series.
Where was the man who "makes putting on his dressing gown appear as an act of defiance"?
I guess it's time to drag out the "Nowhere Man" DVD's if I want to see a Prisoner sequel done properly.
11/18/09
OTOH, I do own the DVDs of the original series. Could be time to get them out. My brain could use a good scrubbing.
11/18/09
I REALLY liked the ending, but the setup was just too much, and wasn't needed.
Excellent recap, though, as the whole thing was pretty damned confusing.
11/18/09
Dem bones dem bones gonna walk around, dem bones dem bones gonna walk around, now hear the word of the lord! (rings bell)
11/18/09
Oh, and actually, I'm a guy who really liked the "Dem Bones" song in the original. Like the most of the ending, it was metaphorical. It went from Number 46 singing crazily and exuberantly on his own and screwing up the machinery of the state, to the state co-opting his song and drowning him out with a crowd singing along to a more polished recording of it. It was about the nature of youthful rebellion, and how society has ways of controlling it. In the real world, All the hippies became disco dancers and then became stockbrokers who bought "Freedom Rock" albums. Think about it.
11/18/09
i'm also not convinced all the people in the village that were real people were actually all that damaged. 313 was an extream example of someone barely able to function in the real world who magically transforms into a completely sane, mostly normal doctor in the village. other real people, like 147 who, while not having custody of his kid, really didn't seem all that different from any other single father who doesn't have custody of their kid.
my impression of the opening in the desert was that 6 entered the village on accident while investigating summakor before he resigned and that it was entering the village that caused him to resign. he's out in the desert because that's where the doors to the real world were and he can only vaugly recall the real world because he's actually just one small part of the real world 6's mind. the fact that he was never really supposed to be there is laregly the source of his rejection of the environment in which he finds himself.
11/18/09
I strenuously disagree! (Literally, I'm typing from the floor so that I will have to strain to disagree, such is the extent of my commitment to my disagreement!)
I loved it. Loved the imagery. Loved the HD-ery. Loved the characters. Loved, loved the ending. Loved the extent to which the WTF-ery actually made sense in the context of the ending - seriously, how often does that happen?
Of course 6 was always walking the line between acceptance and rebellion. He was not a action hero or a guerrilla that was inexplicably not action-oriented or guerrilla style. He was a person who was an incredible egotist who was more interested in self-identifying as free than actually fighting for freedom.
He wanted to be unique, different, but not at any real cost. He was drawn to aspects of the village and hated that about himself. But not too much. Not enough to get too self-reflective. He was "human."
And 2 was more "human" because he actually believed he was doing good. (Of course, to me, this made him and his wife despicably evil!)
There were no black and white good guys or bad guys, just people. Lots of flawed, broken, often egotistical people.
Of course, I was also watching it as my Mad Men fill in, so I loved the pacing. Give me quiet and silence. Give me slow scenes and freeze on looks and make soft cutaways to hands.
Really, really enjoyed it. All the way through.
11/18/09
That was my main thought afterwards. This would actually have benefitted from being a longer series(different lead actor), cause aside from number 112, I didn't care about any of these characters needing to be there. The black guys daughter died so how is that better?
Oh, and the US-LOM ending was way better than this.
08/29/09
Which is an interesting realization for me, because I used to think that Archer was Star Trek's failed attempt to copy Malcolm Reynolds' bad attitude (which is also something that was changed from actual to official pilot, BTW) and Enterprise was a failed copy of Firefly in general because it couldn't match the good writing and compelling stories.
The final season of Enterprise finally started to have the feel of something I was excited to see, and had a lot of joy in itself as part of a mythology to be explored with gusto and abandon. Then again, the first season of every version of Trek was a poor representation of what they later became, it seems like, over time.
But, I've wandered off-topic ...
09/02/09
interesting comparisons, especially because, let's face it, Malcolm Reynolds would not have been the same without Kirk in the first place. But I think the main difference between Kirk and Pike is that Pike is clearly at the end of his starship career. Unlike Kirk, he would take an admiralty in a heartbeat.
I actually think "The Menagerie" improved on "The Cage" because the ending was much more poignant. The original ending of "The Cage" (the girl going off with the counterfeit Pike) was more than a little creepy.
08/29/09
I also miss shoulder pads....
08/28/09