This is one of those how long is a piece of string questions isn't it? It's also one which, as a web guy (I host a podcast and edit www.Hubfiction.com which pretty much makes me the definition of the enemy in this instance) I've found myself thinking a lot about.
Either version of Sell Out as presented here would work for a start and there at least two magazines I know of that are making plays for the Highbrow Fetish Object approach.
The thing is though, both those magazines (The excellent GUD, as already mentioned here and Lady Churchill's Rosebud Wristlet are both driven by new editorial groups eager to find new voices to promote to an audience that doesn't view the internet with fear and suspicion. Murky Depths, edited by Terry Martin, is also doing great work and can be found here:
But like I say, these are all new magazines, with no heritage, no background and created as part of the web era which, in turn, means it's viewed as an asset instead of a threat.
In order for the old print magazines to be saved they have to WANT to be saved and at the moment, the only one showing any sign of that is Interzone, who are at least trying new things. Nick Lowe's mutant popcorn is pretty much the definition of movie journalism that isn't for me but it's at least consistent and the rest of their non fiction staff are rock solid. The editorial picks have included some seriously impressive new authors who weren't on my radar before too.
Weird Tales is actually the major success story here, embracing every aspect of web culture and outreach to become something new and vibrant which still holds true to the original magazine. They're doing sterling work and can be found here:
It's difficult to find anything constructive to say about the attitude of the other magazines, frankly. Gordon Van Gelder at F and SF has at least dabbled with web content and the writing workshop he's set up with Gardner Dozois, whilst horrifically botched on launch, actually seems designed to do some good.
But for every one tiny step forward like that there are three steps backward, up to and including some of the most perfunctory web sites still running and, in the case of Asimov's, a Politics and Religion discussion board which is genuinely vile.
The bottom line is, a lot of these people don't want to move forward, they don't want to evolve and the last thing they want to do is take the sandbags down and realize that despite all appearances to the contrary, the web is not the enemy. I'm a writer as well as an editor and podcaster and I'm all too aware of the massive history of magazines like these but, in the end, history is only half the equation and, if science fiction magazines can't embrace the future, what business do they have still being around?
They could always take a page from the pulp magazine playbook and publish the "continuing adventures of____". It seems like science fiction short stories of that nature, featuring the continuing adventures of a particular hero have fallen by the wayside, in the 1920s and 30s its how the pulps built their readership.
Ditch print media. Magazines could offer some kindle-type e-book with every 2-3 year subscription they sell. The yearly cost of printing a magazine subscription is roughly the same as the cost of kindle.
p.s. I know kindles suck, but Google and hopefully Apple will be coming out with competition that will not suck.
@Vulcan Has No Moon: Yes. Very yes. Considering the crossover between people likely to own an ereader and those likely to read science fiction, the existing capabilities to subscribe to newspapers and other magazines, and the ereader format practically screaming for periodic content like this, it would be Win with a capital "W".
Not only would it save the sci-fi magazines, but it would be a form of content that finally gives ebooks an advantage over hard copy.
@All hail the Winslow! Hi! @ TotalFanGirl: What would be even better than selling a kindle-type magazine would be selling an e-comicbook with an archive. Along with new material every week or month, publishers could allow access to archived material. What Batman fan wouldn't want to read May 1939 Detective Comics #27? What Wolverine fan wouldn't want to read Giant-Size X-Men #1?
@Jrsy Devil's Advocate®: They certainly have an audience likely to respond well to adoption of newer technologies. It does seem like each of these titles is really a brand first and foremost, and a brand that could make the leap from a print title to some sort of online channel relatively easily. Online sources (like this blog) thrive on frequent repeat business, so you'd need to build your content with that in mind - I'm not sure how successful any online venture that people can't experience from work will ever be. Shore up the one-off tales with more serialized content, commission specific projects from big names and make them events, embrace graphic novels as well as straight text stories, maybe develop an in-house pool of writing staff for ongoing stories like comics and television shows do, and let the community comment on everything so they'll keep coming back.
@LeopoldNestor: Well, I don't know the guy personally but in my experience comments that make an industry outsider sound like an asshole are ten times more likely to be published than comments that lend credibility to his position.
@Arryma: Might have something to do with the natural formation of groups, and the suspicion that tends to be directed towards the ones outside of it.
Considering that he also likes to challenge the comic book medium, I'd say that hostility would be expected.
@Smeagol92055: I wouldn't say every one (I personally preferred Watchmen as a film over it as a comic, in terms of story. There, I said it), but yes, he has been screwed over on multiple occasions by the Big Two and the Hollywood establishment.
Slight crazy aside, he actually seems like a very nice and personable guy. Just very dedicated to his sense of ethics, which is something I admire.
@Smeagol92055: not ALL of them are abominations, and he acts the same with LXG than he does with V. V is arguably a bad adaptation, and I agree with him that it's not loyal to the spirit of the book, but that doesn't make it a bad movie, and hardly puts it on LXG level.
@Aidan_: Having ideals is one thing, but ethics is also how you treat and relate to other human beings. If you believe in your work and hate to see it altered, that's one thing, and it can be a mature and strong conviction. But if you treat other people like shit, it means that you yourself are insecure, immature and have never fully developed into an adult. Still being a child, you have to lash out at the world to bolster your own sense of security.
I'm not trying to put it in a way that's offensive, but it seems to me that's the divide between people who "admire" Moore and people who think he acts like a tool. I think he acts like a tool.
@LeopoldNestor: he has antisocial personality disorder. many writers are like that eccentric people who prefer characters they create to actual people. he is someone who wants complete control and he doesnt have it with other people. so when his characters are taken from him he gets angry over another loss of said control. etc.
@GreyHammer: Antisocial personality disorder doesn't actually make you an angry, antisocial recluse. It tends to be the diagnosis given to utterly amoral serial killers, the kind who laugh about torturing their victims for fun and then hit on their interrogators in the same sentence. I don't think anyone has accused Moore of going quite that far.
Me, I'm just waiting until 50 years from now, when academics at the same conference will all start claiming he was gay, or actually 5 different writers.
@0kami: Exactly. While I found V very entertaining, I have to admit that the political message was changed, what would give AM grounds to be rightfully pissed #alanmoore
@braak: Gee is it likely that an author making a vaguely grandiose and somewhat boneheaded statement designed to provoke a really tiresome "scandal" would have a book out now?
Let me check the magic 8 ball. Oh, "most probably".
The photograph here of "Greg Egan" is not me (the SF writer mentioned in the article), it is a professor of electrical engineering who happens to share my name.
I do hate that, "the perfect science fiction novel for people who don't like science fiction" line.
It's everywhere these days. I don't hear about, "the perfect romance novel for people who don't like romance" or "the perfect historical fiction novel for people who don't like historical fiction."
No, it's just sci-fi which is a taboo: too insular, too strange, too 'not normal'.
08:06 AM
It worked for the banking/insurance/automotive industries.
-Kle.
04:29 AM
Either version of Sell Out as presented here would work for a start and there at least two magazines I know of that are making plays for the Highbrow Fetish Object approach.
The thing is though, both those magazines (The excellent GUD, as already mentioned here and Lady Churchill's Rosebud Wristlet are both driven by new editorial groups eager to find new voices to promote to an audience that doesn't view the internet with fear and suspicion. Murky Depths, edited by Terry Martin, is also doing great work and can be found here:
[www.murkydepths.com]
But like I say, these are all new magazines, with no heritage, no background and created as part of the web era which, in turn, means it's viewed as an asset instead of a threat.
In order for the old print magazines to be saved they have to WANT to be saved and at the moment, the only one showing any sign of that is Interzone, who are at least trying new things. Nick Lowe's mutant popcorn is pretty much the definition of movie journalism that isn't for me but it's at least consistent and the rest of their non fiction staff are rock solid. The editorial picks have included some seriously impressive new authors who weren't on my radar before too.
Weird Tales is actually the major success story here, embracing every aspect of web culture and outreach to become something new and vibrant which still holds true to the original magazine. They're doing sterling work and can be found here:
[www.weirdtales.net]
It's difficult to find anything constructive to say about the attitude of the other magazines, frankly. Gordon Van Gelder at F and SF has at least dabbled with web content and the writing workshop he's set up with Gardner Dozois, whilst horrifically botched on launch, actually seems designed to do some good.
But for every one tiny step forward like that there are three steps backward, up to and including some of the most perfunctory web sites still running and, in the case of Asimov's, a Politics and Religion discussion board which is genuinely vile.
The bottom line is, a lot of these people don't want to move forward, they don't want to evolve and the last thing they want to do is take the sandbags down and realize that despite all appearances to the contrary, the web is not the enemy. I'm a writer as well as an editor and podcaster and I'm all too aware of the massive history of magazines like these but, in the end, history is only half the equation and, if science fiction magazines can't embrace the future, what business do they have still being around?
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p.s. I know kindles suck, but Google and hopefully Apple will be coming out with competition that will not suck.
[www.thestranger.com]
11/22/09
Not only would it save the sci-fi magazines, but it would be a form of content that finally gives ebooks an advantage over hard copy.
11/22/09
11/22/09
Seriously though, I'm kinda surprised Sci-Fi hasn't already been leading the way for everyone else, out of print into digital media formats.
11/22/09
10/12/09
If we could clean him up, who knows what he would be capable of creating !??!
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Considering that he also likes to challenge the comic book medium, I'd say that hostility would be expected.
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Slight crazy aside, he actually seems like a very nice and personable guy. Just very dedicated to his sense of ethics, which is something I admire.
10/12/09
10/12/09
I'm not trying to put it in a way that's offensive, but it seems to me that's the divide between people who "admire" Moore and people who think he acts like a tool. I think he acts like a tool.
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Me, I'm just waiting until 50 years from now, when academics at the same conference will all start claiming he was gay, or actually 5 different writers.
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Let me check the magic 8 ball. Oh, "most probably".
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10/06/09
Of course not! Peoples tastes never change.
Hey you kids, turn down that noise!
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It's everywhere these days. I don't hear about, "the perfect romance novel for people who don't like romance" or "the perfect historical fiction novel for people who don't like historical fiction."
No, it's just sci-fi which is a taboo: too insular, too strange, too 'not normal'.
Well good. It's better that way, right?
04/21/09
04/21/09
It's not BORING. Silverberg is a better writer IMO.
I picked it up at a grocery store in the 70's and it was mind-boggling. The "literary" stuff is a snooze.
His SF and his fantasy are both excellent.
04/21/09