What most frustrated me about the whole episode was that I assumed there were going to be ANSWERS, not MORE questions. I mean the only thing answered was "where are Rose and Bernard?" (and yes, that did make me happy). Also I have been hankering for some dead-Charlie appearances and I'm getting shut out on that.
@scifiMD: While your comment was still collapsed I thought it said "What frustrated me most about the whole episode was that it ended," at which point I was going to agree with you. But.
After 5 years and 5 seasons I am very, very tired of hearing people bitch and moan about more questions vs. more answers. You think there WEREN'T answers in this episode? Who is Jacob? What is the statue? What's the deal with resurrected-Locke? Where are Rose and Bernard? What is The Incident? How did Chang lose his hand? ALL ANSWERED.
Moreover, this show has, from DAY ONE, EPISODE ONE, clearly built up mystery upon mystery, question upon question, because it is not an omniscient show. The narrative is 3rd person -- we see a LOT of characters' perspectives -- but we know what the characters know. Sometimes we have further insights -- like knowing who Jacob is, or knowing that Sawyer met Jack's dad in a bar once -- but part of the excitement of watching LOST is finding out as the characters do.
It has been this way for FIVE YEARS. There is ANOTHER SEASON to set up. If seasop 6 ends with only questions, I would be irate too. But you know what you signed up for with this show.
Also notice when Jacob is referring to building the thread he is not looking at Locke who is inspecting the loom he's looking at Ben who is inspecting the column with the drawings.
The bomb went off. The Island's electro-magnetic field contained the explosion. Nobody got killed. Now someone has to push the button every 108 minutes or it will release the energy of the explosion. When it doesn't get pushed 20 or 30 years later Oceanic 815 crashes. Thus Jack caused his own plane crash. Good thing he's pretty.
@ejs2000: And stuff rots faster in a jungle than in LA. Even a regular jungle, never mind a time-traveling immortal-inhabited geographically-ambiguous jungle.
He meant the tourists. Ajira Air has been wanting to sell vacation packages to the island. Jacob has been trying to stall development on the island, but black-shirt guy wants to build condos and hotels.
That's what the whole fight is about. It's quite sad really when you think about it.
Daniel said he was going to detonate a hydrogen bomb. Now it's just the fissile core. Daniel seemed like a pretty detail-oriented guy, if he originally wanted to just detonate the core, he could have just as easily said he was going to detonate an atomic bomb.
So they take out the fissile core and lo and behold it fits inside a backpack and is light enough for someone to run while carrying it. Now this just seems preposterous. This thing comes from 1954. Back in the 90s, there were rumors of tactical fisson bombs that were small enough to fit in a very large suitcase and weighed enough so that one person could barely lug it around.
I think the writers originally wanted the whole Hydrogen bomb to be used, but they got to this episode and realized that moving it around would take up too much time, so they just did a tiny little fissile core. I'm all for suspending disbelief, but Jughead is actual history, and turning the fissile core into this tiny hand held device contradicts the history. If someone can cite a reliable source that says a fissile core is really that small and light, please post the citation.
And Juliet could not have survived that fall. There's the force of gravity, plus the magnetic force that was strong enough to crumple the drilling rig, plus a very deep pit; she would have been falling very very fast, onto a pile of twisted metal. It's just preposterous.
Overall, I really liked the episode, but these details just make me upset.
As for Juliet, the island has done plenty of healing & saving. Not that far-fetched to think the island WANTED Juliet to survive long enough to detonate the bomb.
A dude dies and is resurrected but it's not him it's a magical guy from hundreds of years ago who looks and sounds exactly like the dead guy and may actually also be a smoke demon who can look and act like tons of other people but doesn't like loud noises and consumes souls, but it's the long fall that kills the immersion/suspension of disbelief. Riiiiiiiight...
@Thomas John Kempkes: I'm pretty sure that Faraday's journal highlights the fact that they should just take the core, rather than the entire hydrogen bomb. I have no idea about actual size of a fissile core, though.
Also what was with Jacob and Jacob's Enemy greeting each other with Mornin'?
It reminded me of those old WB cartoons where the sheep and the Coyote would clock in for their day as mortal enemies, they would greet each other the same way. Does anyone else remember those?
It's also odd because that seen took place 300-500 years ago and those greetings were defiantly modern day, but I'm glad they left them in, it set a great tone.
It's probably too obvious for the Lost writers, but I see a lot of Narnia similarities with Jacob as Aslan- certain rules that must be followed, but with higher rules out there too that not everyone is in on. Jacob seemed to accept or even welcome his doom. Granted, Aslan wasn't known for having anyone's wife run over by a truck either.
It appears that Jacob was on the opposing team from Sayid, thus working with Widmore on some level. This makes sense if Widmore was long supposed to have been the leader, Jacob would never like that Ben had Widmore ejected and never welcomed him in as the new leader.
What that means, I have no clue. I know there are a ton of loose ends that probably won't all get tidy resolutions, I just hope that the final conclusion, ie the reasons for what Jacob, his enemy, Ben, Widmore, is compelling. It better not be because they wanted to be with some whiny dead-weight woman.
Here's my problem with last night. I knew Juliet was going to die. Because of course we have to continue this interminable feud between Jack and Sawyer. Lame. I loved Juliet. But did they have to kill her in such a ridiculous way? I mean, how the hell did the chains, being pulled directly into the hole by the magnetism, wrap themselves so thoroughly around her waist and leg? Shouldn't they have just whipped past? I think I would be happier if they had severed her leg. They were evil defy the universal laws to move the plot along chains I guess.
@Bridget Callahan: Don't give up on Juliet. Des survived the Swan implosion no worse for the wear other than being slightly psychic and naked, she can survive a nuke.
Not Taweret. Taweret, being a goddess, does not wear the headdress sported by the statue, nor does she wear the skirt that the MALE statue wears. Most importantly, all depictions of Taweret in any human-bodied form show her with a great big belly and two ginormous sagging tits, further symbols of fertility. Those are DEFINITLY not on this statue.
Male statue + crocodile head = Sobek. Son of Set, one of the underworld gods, worshipped as a god of fertility (crocodile = Nile = Nile floods = fertility), as well as a guide and protector of spirits after death, he is also thought to be a rectifier of evil deeds. Loaded, loaded, go to Wikipedia.
@Kevin Jones: It could, but that seems a little heavy-handed. I suspect that the fertility problems that brought Juliet to the Island in the first place have to do with the radioactive weapon underneath Dharmaville, where Ben and The Others have been living since the Purge.
I suspect the destruction of the statue may have something to do with the Black Rock, or the boat we saw last night in the water.
@aubreyf: That's what I intially assumed, but the Black Rock was found in the middle of the Island so I had previously extrapolated that the Island must have time-shifted under it for that to happen.
As such, I'm going to wait until the show or the podcast definitively tells me what that ship is before I call it anything.
@stoprobbers Ille qui nos omnes servabit.: Yeah, that's what I always assumed too. I can't think of any other way for it to get where it is without the island appearing under it.
But it also seems odd that the writers would throw another ship in there with the sole purpose being to date the scene.
@aubreyf: @matthewtoney: It also resembles/has the same number of masts as the ship-in-a-bottle that Richard Alpert was making. So, from there, I see three possible options:
1. It's the Black Rock, we're in 1845, and something's gonna happen that gets the Black Rock into the middle of the Island, and the Statue broken.
2. It's not 1845, it's earlier, maybe, (maybe a lot earlier -- Columbus discovered the Americas in 1492 in a boat like that), and it's Richard's boat. This is the boat we see him replicating in-bottle, perhaps in a moment of nostalgia before everything changes again. This leads to two more possibilities:
2a. Richard brought Jacob the boat. If Richard is Jacob's advisor, it'd be within his duties. And Esau (that's what I'm callin' him until the writers tell me otherwise!) clearly has had this happen over and over again; he's sick of it, and sick of Jacob. And Jacob is fucking with him because he can.
2b. Richard is on the boat and has been touched by Jacob in some way, therefore leading him to the Island and allowing Jacob to bestow upon him immortality and his position as advisor.
3. It's a totally different boat and there goes a little bit of my brain dribllin' out my ear again...
I think that "Jacob's enemy" is the Island in human form, and the Island desperately wants to get rid of Jacob (who keeps bringing, loud, annoying, shoot-happy people to the idyllic island) but for some reason can't do it itself and needed a proxy to do it for him/it.
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After 5 years and 5 seasons I am very, very tired of hearing people bitch and moan about more questions vs. more answers. You think there WEREN'T answers in this episode? Who is Jacob? What is the statue? What's the deal with resurrected-Locke? Where are Rose and Bernard? What is The Incident? How did Chang lose his hand? ALL ANSWERED.
Moreover, this show has, from DAY ONE, EPISODE ONE, clearly built up mystery upon mystery, question upon question, because it is not an omniscient show. The narrative is 3rd person -- we see a LOT of characters' perspectives -- but we know what the characters know. Sometimes we have further insights -- like knowing who Jacob is, or knowing that Sawyer met Jack's dad in a bar once -- but part of the excitement of watching LOST is finding out as the characters do.
It has been this way for FIVE YEARS. There is ANOTHER SEASON to set up. If seasop 6 ends with only questions, I would be irate too. But you know what you signed up for with this show.
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I really would like to see something more to Jacob and Notjacob, than biblical brothers in war.
I hope it will all make sense in the end.
I still think that H-bomb was the key to time travel, it exploded imploded magnetic anomaly converted and BAM! losties are in ze fjuture.
Can anyone explain why we have to wait so long for the final season?
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He meant the tourists. Ajira Air has been wanting to sell vacation packages to the island. Jacob has been trying to stall development on the island, but black-shirt guy wants to build condos and hotels.
That's what the whole fight is about. It's quite sad really when you think about it.
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So they take out the fissile core and lo and behold it fits inside a backpack and is light enough for someone to run while carrying it. Now this just seems preposterous. This thing comes from 1954. Back in the 90s, there were rumors of tactical fisson bombs that were small enough to fit in a very large suitcase and weighed enough so that one person could barely lug it around.
I think the writers originally wanted the whole Hydrogen bomb to be used, but they got to this episode and realized that moving it around would take up too much time, so they just did a tiny little fissile core. I'm all for suspending disbelief, but Jughead is actual history, and turning the fissile core into this tiny hand held device contradicts the history. If someone can cite a reliable source that says a fissile core is really that small and light, please post the citation.
And Juliet could not have survived that fall. There's the force of gravity, plus the magnetic force that was strong enough to crumple the drilling rig, plus a very deep pit; she would have been falling very very fast, onto a pile of twisted metal. It's just preposterous.
Overall, I really liked the episode, but these details just make me upset.
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As for Juliet, the island has done plenty of healing & saving. Not that far-fetched to think the island WANTED Juliet to survive long enough to detonate the bomb.
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A dude dies and is resurrected but it's not him it's a magical guy from hundreds of years ago who looks and sounds exactly like the dead guy and may actually also be a smoke demon who can look and act like tons of other people but doesn't like loud noises and consumes souls, but it's the long fall that kills the immersion/suspension of disbelief. Riiiiiiiight...
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It reminded me of those old WB cartoons where the sheep and the Coyote would clock in for their day as mortal enemies, they would greet each other the same way. Does anyone else remember those?
It's also odd because that seen took place 300-500 years ago and those greetings were defiantly modern day, but I'm glad they left them in, it set a great tone.
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It appears that Jacob was on the opposing team from Sayid, thus working with Widmore on some level. This makes sense if Widmore was long supposed to have been the leader, Jacob would never like that Ben had Widmore ejected and never welcomed him in as the new leader.
What that means, I have no clue. I know there are a ton of loose ends that probably won't all get tidy resolutions, I just hope that the final conclusion, ie the reasons for what Jacob, his enemy, Ben, Widmore, is compelling. It better not be because they wanted to be with some whiny dead-weight woman.
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Male statue + crocodile head = Sobek. Son of Set, one of the underworld gods, worshipped as a god of fertility (crocodile = Nile = Nile floods = fertility), as well as a guide and protector of spirits after death, he is also thought to be a rectifier of evil deeds. Loaded, loaded, go to Wikipedia.
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The destroyed statue could be a symbol of the island inhabitant's inability to procreate.
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I suspect the destruction of the statue may have something to do with the Black Rock, or the boat we saw last night in the water.
Or an earthquake. Perhaps a time shift?
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As such, I'm going to wait until the show or the podcast definitively tells me what that ship is before I call it anything.
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But it also seems odd that the writers would throw another ship in there with the sole purpose being to date the scene.
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1. It's the Black Rock, we're in 1845, and something's gonna happen that gets the Black Rock into the middle of the Island, and the Statue broken.
2. It's not 1845, it's earlier, maybe, (maybe a lot earlier -- Columbus discovered the Americas in 1492 in a boat like that), and it's Richard's boat. This is the boat we see him replicating in-bottle, perhaps in a moment of nostalgia before everything changes again. This leads to two more possibilities:
2a. Richard brought Jacob the boat. If Richard is Jacob's advisor, it'd be within his duties. And Esau (that's what I'm callin' him until the writers tell me otherwise!) clearly has had this happen over and over again; he's sick of it, and sick of Jacob. And Jacob is fucking with him because he can.
2b. Richard is on the boat and has been touched by Jacob in some way, therefore leading him to the Island and allowing Jacob to bestow upon him immortality and his position as advisor.
3. It's a totally different boat and there goes a little bit of my brain dribllin' out my ear again...
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