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Not sure who was the leader before Widmore/Ben though. Maybe Jacob?
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That's exactly what I was thinking when he started to say that...
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I had the impression that Richard was an egyptian/indigenous person on the island when the exotic matter came to the island/was exposed and this somehow rendered him ageless. He's been an Other since then, waiting and manipulating for whatever will happen. He clearly knows the inner workings of the temple as it was his people that constructed it and likely that Egyptian fertility statue...
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"So, for some reason, Richard strikes me as a dude from the island's far future."
The only problem I have with this is that Richard never seems to know what's going to happen. Except for the instances when people come from the future and tell him.
So... if he's from the future he didn't pay much attention to the island's history.
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As for the monster, I predict the producers won't answer what it is until the very last episode in the series. Logically, I would agree it's man-made nanite tech from the future -- it comes from a future time period of the island, and is used in some way by scientists in the future to interact and travel back into the island's past. It could function as an "inter-time" probe.
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As a compromise to the argument that Smokey is not nanite/nanobyte technology, because Damon and Lindoff say it is not, perhaps Smokey is not technologically what we today would define as "nanite/nanobyte" tech... instead, it could be another kind of future-tech. So, in effect, Damon and Lindoff would not be lying.
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However, does the monster *have* to have a technological explanation? Many things that have happened so far, or are being theorized, are beyond the scope of science as we imagine it. Ghosts, for instance, and Miles talking to the dead. And there's a lot of traction on this board for Richard Alpert being an Egyptian god. So maybe Smokey really is a vengeful demon? Maybe it's a conglomeration of the spirits of everyone who has died on the island? We've seen it appear as Yemi and Alex, both of whom died there... And it could explain the whispering.
This is not a theory I adhere to, it's just one I'm throwing out there for discussion. And narratively, I prefer your idea of a nanotech time probe being worshipped as a god.
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I think some of their earlier statements went by the wayside.
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Is there a wordplay on "lies" there? As in what is untruthful in the shadow of the statue? Also, could the shadow of the statue be referring to smokey? The statue is the 4-toed one, right???
04/09/09
Smokey is different from Locke and Christian and even Jacob, I think.
The Richard Alpert = RA = Ra theory seems much more plausible now. Who is he and why doesn't he age?
I think Des is alive -- he was well enough to get up and beat the crap out of Ben, plus Ben told Sun to apologize to Desmond. Maybe Des had a bulletproof vest or it was a bad shot -- like the one that didn't quite kill Young Ben, and Penny can call 911 for Des.
I'm liking Locke being large and in charge again.
Poor Frank. It's never his fault and yet he keeps getting into these crappy situations. I knew there was something odd about the chick who asked the question (the one who captured Sayid). She came to the Island for a reason.
Glad they killed off Cesar, stick him right next to Nikki and Paulo.
Smokey as Alex was good both as a viewer and within the story as psychologically sound. Smokey knows that Alex's death is the only thing Ben truly regrets in his whole sordid life.
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The donkey wheel is indeed frozen, and don't forget that Charlotte found the Dharma polar bear out in the desert...which is where both Ben and Locke arrived when they turned it.
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But that's part of what makes Ben so cool. I think my favorite Ben moment is still the deliberate nod of his head that he gives Locke when asked about putting metal stuff in the chamber below the Orchid.
04/09/09
Watching Widmore grow older was definitely a surprise and got me thinking ... if the others can age which ones are old versions of the 70's ones and where did the younger ones (like Alex's bf) come from? (also got me asking again about all the missing children from the original flight.)
As for the flight 316 passengers? I've got a feeling some of them are Others who were charged with bringing everyone back to the island (remember one of the stewardesses on the original flight was an Other who visited the polar bear cages.)
04/10/09
I think some of the 316ers might be plants sent by Widmore, but I don't think they're regular Others. As far as we know, the Others haven't had a way to communicate with the outside world since late last season. The sub got blown up, and the Pearl got flooded. Michael took the powerboat back to the US, and the only other real means of leaving the island that I can think of is Desmond's sailboat (or did something happen to that as well?). No, I think everyone who was left on the Island at the end of last season has spent the entire duration cut off from the outside world, with the notable exception of the 815ers who ended up in Dharmaville.
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Right, I forgot the Flame. But that doesn't mean they were completely cut off during those three years. If they still have Desmond's boat, they'd be able to send a small number of people to the outside world.
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I don't believe Ben came back only to face judgement for his sins-- He went back because he never wanted to leave in the first place, and perhaps to prevent Widmore from reclaiming the island eventually. But he knew he was going to have to face judgement either way.
I'm glad Ben didn't kill Penny. It would have been just too heartbreaking. I think Ben's apology to Desmond was only because of Charlie, not a blanket get-out-of-Smokey-free atonement. I think Ben may have realized he almost created the same kind of broken family in which he himself grew up.
It was interesting to see younger Ben being such a stickler for the rules. He banishes Widmore in part for coming and going from the island as he pleases-- But doesn't Ben later do the same? I guess we never saw him off the island, but he did have all those passports and such...
Whatever is going on with Locke, it's different from the Christian Shepard situation... Christian apparently can't interact with the physical environment or touch people, and Locke did a few times this episode. I also don't think Locke is Smokey. Both because of what Alex/Smokey said to Ben, and also because it would be a big narrative disappointment.
04/10/09
Christian may be able to interact with the environment, but he's also clearly not a living person anymore. He showed up at the frozen donkey wheel when Locke went down there, but he didn't arrive through any known passage. Just suddenly he's there, and then he's gone again.
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The reason why I think this is so is because why would he be so careful with Locke's body off the Island? He placed the coffin in the care of an Other rather than leave it in the funeral home. (The time difference between the home and the plane ride was only a few days.) Or he could have left the coffin in the van. Sealed away in the coffin, dead Locke wasn't going anywhere. No, instead, Locke placed it in a meat locker so the body wouldn't rot and it couldn't be tampered by anyone. (*cough*Widmore*Hawking*cough*)
Like I said, the rest are lies. Ben knew where the Temple was. (He told Alex, Karl and Danielle to go there. Even gave them a map that he drew himself.) He lied to Sun about being terrified of a reanimated Locke. He lied about wanting to atone for his sins. (He had no plans of atonement of else he would gone straight to the Temple or to his secret lair the moment he went to his house.)
Why is he lying? Because it's better to have others think you are in the dark then to make them realize that you know too much.
And his, "Ok, have a great day!" had to be code for something. Probably like, "Get the guns. It's time." Because that too weird for the setting. Have a great day? You were in a plane crash and are stuck in the middle of nowhere. How can you be having a great day?
Anyone else starting to think that Charles never really spoke for Jacob? Or probably never met him? Simply because it's Richard who keeps on saying, "It's what the Island/Jacob wants." Plus, last week while saving Ben, Richard said he doesn't take orders form Widmore or Ellie.
04/10/09
Ben lied twelve ways from Sunday, but I'd say he told Sun the truth about Locke. Smoke-Alex clearly pegged him right when she said that she knew he was already planning how he could kill Locke again, and Locke has clearly been a rival in Ben's eyes since the day he said he could see Jacob. Ben has now made two unsuccessful attempts on Locke's life, and it can't have just been for show both times.
No, Ben is the mastermind that Widmore clearly never was before getting banished. He even moved the Others into the old Dharma village because the fence around it would make him effectively immune to being judged by Smokie, as Widmore correctly predicted would eventually happen.
04/10/09
Thing is, I don't think that was Jacob Locke has been seeing. It was Christian. Who, in a theory I am working on, is another force on the Island. Locke has never seen Jacob. He has only seen Christian. Why wouldn't Jacob talk directly to Locke? Why need Christian?
Plus, there are other clues that Christian is the opposite of Jacob. First the name, Jacob is Old Testament and Christian is from the New One or at least the belief of Christ. In Jacob's cabin you could only use oil lamps for light. He freaked out when Locke brought in a flashlight. However, Christian has no probably using a flashlight when he was with Sun and Frank. Out of all the cabins in the Barracks, Christian came out of the one with the huge DI symbol on the door. Christian sent Locke to find Hawking. And if Hawking is with Widmore as it has been implied, then she might have been banished form the Island as well. So, why would Christian send Locke to see someone who has been banished? Jacob is a being of faith. Christian while alive was a man of science. Jacob's cabin interior is different from Christian's cabin interior.
Christian does not speak for Jacob.
04/10/09
That may be true (and a very interesting theory that I had not even considered), but Ben does not know _who_ Locke saw, just who he _says_ he saw. Locke said he saw Jacob (who was actually Horace at the time, remember?). Ben thinks he saw Jacob. Ben, therefore, thinks Locke is a rival for Jacob's favor.
Of course, if your theory is true, then that brings into question who Smoke-Alex works for.
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Anubis sort of kinda fits, but that hieroglyph they focused on seemed to show Anubis facing a smoke monster. As though they were distinct entities?
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03/26/09
Now THAT's a LOST episode.
"I'll just, um, go make some more waffles..."
Of course Ben isn't dead. One lousy bullet, plus the rules of time travel established for this show, he's not dead. Just shot and on the way to eeeeevil.