The pig thing reminds me of the graphic novel Oink by John Mueller in which the government has created humanoid pigs to work in Public Slaughterhouses tending to giant pigs. #books
Ugg. Except innovation for innovation sake isn't worthless- because it never, ever, ever stay that way. If every generation of inventors and scientists simply explored technologies that had simple, A-to-B usefulness in front of them, we would have collectively tapped out the engines of progress somewhere in the vicinity of pointed sticks. Scientists and designers go after interesting problems and challenges- its generally only after the fact that the rest of us, or another tier of engineers and designers, actually figure out what any of it is good for. Take that glowing bunny- when those first appeared I remember a buzz amongst some of my peers that it was pointless, or inhumane, or the oldest canard "they're making glowing bunnies instead of curing cancer." And damn near every time I came within an inch of losing my shit- because that glowing bunny a) wasn't for yucks and b) it wouldn't matter if it was, it would still have demonstrated a reliable pathway for gene insertion into a model mammal, opening up all kinds of avenues for simulating illness, exploring the functions of unknown genes- the list goes on.
And yes, genetic engineering is eventually going to be a field more amenable to tinkering. But given how much trouble it is and how much power there is in biological solutions to problems of chemistry and the like, the world-changing applications are going to outnumber the curiosity, and the curiosities the horrors, by factors of hundreds and thousands. These visions of science run amok, in some decadent enclave is so old and so bankrupt I can hardly stand it. It was fresh when Mary Shelley did it, but come Michael Crichton, it was so clearly and patently wrong it makes my heart ache that it seems to be the dominant paradigm in the public's thinking. In a real Jurassic Park, when the fences went down and the dinosaurs bred, no one would make any nonsense Ian Malcolm speech about standing on the shoulders of giants (and if he didn't like it, he could always take an offer to get mindwiped and dumped on the veldt, much less stop doing all his upper-tier math,) they'd install redundant generators, the shareholders would appoint a new bioethics review board, and the dinosaurs would be neutered when they hatched, and then everyone would get to see the wonder of FREAKING DINOSAURS. If Atwood doesn't want to come with me, she can miss out on all the fun. #books
@Strakus: Wow. Saying something like "novelists had better not explore theoretical, fictional problems!" Certainly will get you far in life.
Anything else you'd like to complain about? Do painters use too many colours for you? God drat, six is more colours than a man needs anyways. Purple? Who needs purple. Maybe musicians should refrain from composing catchy hooks to pop songs? #books
@Pope John Peeps II: No, quite the opposite- I'm a writer and am quite fond of my authorial latitude. My wish is that writers felt less constrained- that 9/10ths of stories about the near future, especially by authors that pride themselves on avoiding about the perils of genre craft, ala Atwood, didn't feel obligated to drag along precisely the same rusty anvil- that science will invariably be put to soul-robbing evil purpose and we better Slow Down so our "soul" can catch up. It's been transformed into lazy writing personified with such frequent use, and applying criticism where it is due is certainly within our scope as readers and watchers. To parlay your color metaphor, its not the use of purple that is in question- its the application of purple-tinted lenses to a world that is filled with far more colors.
Just make a tally sheet- instances when genetic engineering saved the day- cured a disease, built something beautiful, gave someone a chance to survive- versus the number of mutants run amok, killer diseases, authoritarian geneocracies...the list goes on. Also add a column to tally how many of said disasters were resolved by scientific investigation, new tools, etc. vs. flamethrowers and prayer. Also compare the number of speeches that invoke tampering with the plan or work of God/Nature. You can play similar games with nuclear power, robots, the list goes on.
I don't mean to be a spoilsport. I simply was pointing out that there is a very, very tired conceit in popular media in recent years that says that scientists and engineers are in this to do terrible things to the rest of us- pronouncements made from air conditioned comfort, with bloodstreams running full of vaccine-induced antibodies, typing on networked computers, and with their IVF-conceived children- the future abomination of the '70's- scampering about. You can tell ___-run amok stories- I certainly have my favorites, one of which proved the point rather well when it went for an anvilious ending after steering clear for so long- but there is a distinct spread in the delicacy and sense with which they are handled, and you just stretch credibility to the breaking point when the canned conclusion is that people were wrong to play, experiment, or work to improve their lot. It's Luddism in disguise and it's boring as mud. #books
@Strakus: As someone hoping to benefit, one day, from new medical advances that might make the joke my life was turned into after a car accident worth living again I wanted to thank you. I am so tired of healthy people yelling in terror of things that might just help people who wake up every morning wondering if this is the day their injuries are going to finally drive them to suicide. #books
@emerson999: As someone who hopes to participate in those advances- you're welcome. Needs to be said from time to time. That's a hard thing to share- thank you. #books
Seeing the first image made me think of Michel Faber's Under the Skin. Admittedly, it's not quite the same sort of modification being done to the animals in Faber's book, but it's every bit as creepy and very well done. #books
At least he didn't draw the chickie-nobs. Those things creep me right the hell out - basically, a pile of quivering meat with an open maw and a brain stem... blech. #books
@RavenNemain: I wish he had drawn the chickie-nobs. Actually, I've never been clear on why those were supposed to be horrible. Basically synthetic meat, no? They didn't have brains or anything. #books
@Annalee Newitz: The thought of a pulsating quivering mass of flesh, that is alive in basic biological terms, but from which has been removed all that is truly significant about life - that scares the hell out of me. It opens the door for what other species they could alter like that, especially in that world of unscrupulous capitalism. #books
Reminds me of this video, these cows looks like Schwarzenegger in the 80's... Im sure we will eventually get to the point where we are tampering with Nature for innovations sake. And I have always wanted to have a gorilla mixed with a house-cat.. Might get my wish someday #books
What's always funny about the whole "science destroys the world" gig is that given the current funding rates, no one has any money to research and create superfluous world-ending technology.
::sign:: I guess we still will have to rely on the good ol' Military-Industrial complex. #books
Nightmare is in the eye of the beholder-- I say bring on the glowing bunnies. The knee-jerk opposition to genetic modification seems to me to be a left-wing equivalent of the temporonormative* impulse that fuels fundamentalist creationism and I.D. I'm also not sure what's worthless or decadent about innovation for innovation's sake.
*I don't know an existing word for the view that the way the world happens to be right now is the way it is "supposed" to be, and that any deviation from that is thus against the natural order, so I just made that one up. #books
@Annalee Newitz: If not more so :) I remember the article a while ago about the South Korean glowing cats; I so hoped some of those things would escape and go feral because glowing cats populating our decaying cities would be awesome in a cyberpunk-dystopia kind of way. #books
@Dresan: Of course it has consequences, Dresan. Curiosity, experimentation, and innovation have brought us from a subsistence existence as preliterate hunter/gatherers to where we are today. I see no reason to let our fear of the unknown stand in the way of where our naturally curious inclinations might lead us tomorrow. #books
@JRD_2: I might have been a bit rash. I understand your point and believe in it truly. Yet, we have done a lot of things over the past century that just screams "hey, you might want to think about that a bit before going through it". DDT comes to my mind.
But yeah, I agree that "curiosity, experimentation, and innovation" have always been our greatest assets in surviving what this planet throws at us and of course, man-made obstacles that we unwittingly create.
@xcspyder001: My point is they're both stupid, worthless arguments based on biased opinion, and thus deserved to be ranked equally. It's an example, a comparison. #books
#1 Jimmy Dean's Worst Nightmare #2 The Geico Gekko's illegit son #3 The inevitable end of the Energizer Bunny when Energizer made Plutonium batteries #books
@Evil Tortie's Mom: R.O.A.C.H.:
Anyone who follows CanLit has heard of the Canada Reads contest on CBC. I have always hoped that someone would have the guts to suggest Neuromancer, which was written in Vancouver (as I believe all Gibson's works have been) To those who gripe that none of the novel takes place in Canada, or that Gibson was born in the US, I would say a) Michael Ondaatje wasn't born in Canada and b) none of the English Patient takes place in Canada. It's elitism, pure and simple.
Atwood's nonsensical, elitist attitude towards classifying these works of hers is my single biggest pet peeve in CanLit, and I'm very glad to see someone of Le Guin's stature call her on it.
As others have said, it's not as if Atwood has anything to worry about in her career, so (even though we can't look into her mind and know for sure) any reason other than literary snobbery for these weird distinctions seems somewhat baffling.
@Evil Tortie's Mom: R.O.A.C.H.: If she were a CanLit up-and-comer, I might be able to understand that sort of fear, but at this point in her career? Why would she still think her place in the Canadian literary canon isn't assured?
If anything, acknowledging that a few of her works are in this genre would get her fannish accolades as well as all of the prestige she already has...
Shorter Margret Atwood: "My book about a genetically modified, post apocalyptic world is not science fiction!" right.
But if we judge it by the standards of literary fiction, it utterly fails, because it disregards the tropes of that genre and adopts the tropes of speculative fiction. She's trying to have her cake and eat it too. (And as we who are familiar with sci-fi tropes know, the cake is in fact, a lie).
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And yes, genetic engineering is eventually going to be a field more amenable to tinkering. But given how much trouble it is and how much power there is in biological solutions to problems of chemistry and the like, the world-changing applications are going to outnumber the curiosity, and the curiosities the horrors, by factors of hundreds and thousands. These visions of science run amok, in some decadent enclave is so old and so bankrupt I can hardly stand it. It was fresh when Mary Shelley did it, but come Michael Crichton, it was so clearly and patently wrong it makes my heart ache that it seems to be the dominant paradigm in the public's thinking. In a real Jurassic Park, when the fences went down and the dinosaurs bred, no one would make any nonsense Ian Malcolm speech about standing on the shoulders of giants (and if he didn't like it, he could always take an offer to get mindwiped and dumped on the veldt, much less stop doing all his upper-tier math,) they'd install redundant generators, the shareholders would appoint a new bioethics review board, and the dinosaurs would be neutered when they hatched, and then everyone would get to see the wonder of FREAKING DINOSAURS. If Atwood doesn't want to come with me, she can miss out on all the fun. #books
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Anything else you'd like to complain about? Do painters use too many colours for you? God drat, six is more colours than a man needs anyways. Purple? Who needs purple. Maybe musicians should refrain from composing catchy hooks to pop songs? #books
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Just make a tally sheet- instances when genetic engineering saved the day- cured a disease, built something beautiful, gave someone a chance to survive- versus the number of mutants run amok, killer diseases, authoritarian geneocracies...the list goes on. Also add a column to tally how many of said disasters were resolved by scientific investigation, new tools, etc. vs. flamethrowers and prayer. Also compare the number of speeches that invoke tampering with the plan or work of God/Nature. You can play similar games with nuclear power, robots, the list goes on.
I don't mean to be a spoilsport. I simply was pointing out that there is a very, very tired conceit in popular media in recent years that says that scientists and engineers are in this to do terrible things to the rest of us- pronouncements made from air conditioned comfort, with bloodstreams running full of vaccine-induced antibodies, typing on networked computers, and with their IVF-conceived children- the future abomination of the '70's- scampering about. You can tell ___-run amok stories- I certainly have my favorites, one of which proved the point rather well when it went for an anvilious ending after steering clear for so long- but there is a distinct spread in the delicacy and sense with which they are handled, and you just stretch credibility to the breaking point when the canned conclusion is that people were wrong to play, experiment, or work to improve their lot. It's Luddism in disguise and it's boring as mud. #books
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Is it just me, or is that pig on the far right like a prototype for Bebop from the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles? #books
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We've been doing similar things with pet breeds for centuries.
-Kle. #books
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::sign:: I guess we still will have to rely on the good ol' Military-Industrial complex. #books
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*I don't know an existing word for the view that the way the world happens to be right now is the way it is "supposed" to be, and that any deviation from that is thus against the natural order, so I just made that one up. #books
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But yeah, I agree that "curiosity, experimentation, and innovation" have always been our greatest assets in surviving what this planet throws at us and of course, man-made obstacles that we unwittingly create.
Just don't wanna see no rat snakes. #books
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So, there's absolutely no argument at all. #books
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#2 The Geico Gekko's illegit son
#3 The inevitable end of the Energizer Bunny when Energizer made Plutonium batteries #books
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Everyone (esp. in CanLit) needs to read this.
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Anyone who follows CanLit has heard of the Canada Reads contest on CBC. I have always hoped that someone would have the guts to suggest Neuromancer, which was written in Vancouver (as I believe all Gibson's works have been) To those who gripe that none of the novel takes place in Canada, or that Gibson was born in the US, I would say a) Michael Ondaatje wasn't born in Canada and b) none of the English Patient takes place in Canada. It's elitism, pure and simple.
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As others have said, it's not as if Atwood has anything to worry about in her career, so (even though we can't look into her mind and know for sure) any reason other than literary snobbery for these weird distinctions seems somewhat baffling.
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That's why Atwood protests too much.
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If anything, acknowledging that a few of her works are in this genre would get her fannish accolades as well as all of the prestige she already has...
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But if we judge it by the standards of literary fiction, it utterly fails, because it disregards the tropes of that genre and adopts the tropes of speculative fiction. She's trying to have her cake and eat it too. (And as we who are familiar with sci-fi tropes know, the cake is in fact, a lie).
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