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I have to admit, I clicked on this after briefly glancing at the title without reading the description. I expected to see Burton dressed up as his various creations. This is cool too though,
@Alessar: Pirates is a phenomenal score. I basically spent the third movie just closing my eyes and listening to the music. Of course, that had a lot to do with how shitty the third movie was...
I've got to throw a vote in for Stu Phillips. C'mon, the man did Battlestar Galactica and Buck Rogers in the 25th Century. That's got to count for something!
(Says the proud owner of several versions of the aforementioned albums...)
@Squirminator2k: Agreed. While you could argue that some things have been over-scored, the sheer range of music for a tv series is incredible. So many episodes have their own completely distinct sound (ie, Girl in the Fireplace, Father's Day)
There was a time - approximately February 2005 - when I would have found this list very, very useful. Therefore, I shall annotate it for pops orchestra managers stumbling across this page in google searches, seeking rep for your space or sci-fi themed concerts:
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You probably already own the Star Wars suite. If you don't, you should. The E.T. suite is also great. Harry Potter, an arrangement's good enough. Jurassic Park, ditto. Catch with Williams is most of them are only available as either crappy arrangements, or the full suites which are great but like $400.
Back to the Future is only available in a three minute rental, which is better than nothing, but unsatisfyingly short and annoyingly expensive.
There's actually a fairly decent medley of Star Trek themes out there, for cheap, at Luck's I think. There's some "wtf is this" stuff in the middle but it starts with TOS and ends with TNG, as it should.
also worth noting: Also Sprach Zarathustra is in the public domain. As is Holst's Planets.
@Elizabeth Weinbloom: Even if Holst didn't actually score any movies, "Mars" would have to be the seminal epic sci-fi theme. Without Mars I don't think we'd have John Williams.
@eviladrian: There's no doubt to it! And in fact, one generally shouldn't program Mars and Star Wars on the same half of a program. John Williams ends up looking a bit silly...
In more ways than just influence-on-theme-tunes, Star Wars is Holst, and Star Trek is Mahler.
I really really hated the work Bear McCreary did for BSG... Music like this should be discouraged. I mean, what was that? There was no theme! I just hate music with no sense of melody, no sense of direction. I got nothing to remember that song by, it sounded like generic orchestral music with a bit of experimental instruments. Great article and other music selection btw. Alan Silvestri did amazing work on Back to The Future and Contact. Now THATS A COMPOSER.
@Haroon Piracha: I cannot disagree with you more. I listen to McCreary all the time, and it's pure emotion. I find more traditional "themes" incredibly distracting. To me, it's like having someone lean close to my ear and holler "VICTORY!" or "TRAGIC!" or "THEY'RE IN LOVE!" They actively irritate me, because it constantly feels like they're telling me what to think.
By contrast, McCreary is subtle. It's subliminal, it gets under my skin and as I'm watching a scene, it manipulates on a very emotional level. And often he scores in a way that's in contrast to the main theme of the scene, so there's an extra level of nuance. Even better, I can listen to it on my iPod without attaching it to a certain scene in BSG. I write to it all the time.
I know it's not everyone's cup of tea, but in a world where I can't stand most of the traditional theme-based scores, I'll encourage Bear as much as financially possible.
@limber: I don't know... I encourage themes because then you will get really unmemorable scores. Like, for instance, can you sing the theme to Spider-Man (2002)? How about part 2? 3? Me neither, and I really can't help but hate the music afterwords because there was nothing musically to look forward to. For scifi films, I really can't stand it.
@Haroon Piracha: Nope, I couldn't hum the theme to most films. JAWS, maybe. But... I find themes intrusive, generally. Sometimes they're great, in big flash-bang adventure films, but I would never think "Hey, those were great themes, I want the score now". The last score that made me sit up in my chair was "Star Trek". Specifically, the "Star Trek" commercials, which turned out to be an altered Children of Dune track.
Part of this might be just plain musical tastes (I like Philip Glass, who makes some people want to rip out their own eardrums), but McCreary's themes are valuable to me because they aren't the love theme, the escape theme, the sad theme, the suspense theme. Instead they're themes that really get to the root of the characters or the relationship that's being highlighted, and then the themes are bent and blended and changed as the show went on. A lot of the themes, just in pacing and instrumentation and design, are very emotive for me.
The Roslin/Adama theme is bittersweet and mature, and it develops and grows into something younger and hopeful. The Roslin Confesses track is a fall from grace. The Shape of Things to Come is ecclesiastical revelation, and Passacaglia meditative. Much of this interpretation is due to where these themes were used in the show, but it's almost a reverse of traditional themes for me. Where Back to the Future's theme sounds zippy and actiony, it can also only apply to BttF-ish stuff; I would never buy a BttF score to listen to at home. McCreary's stuff is much more open, and while I know some of the spin I put on it is directly derived from the show, I'm able to listen to the tracks and apply them to non-BSG things. (His music is undeniably helpful as I write, because I can apply those broad emotional themes and basically have a soundtrack for the scene I'm writing.)
McCreary's scoring of the show practically became another character for me. I was so attuned to the score, I picked up when Adama instruments were being used in Roslin's theme, or when a particular track was altered, and those tiny hints always paid off in character development. I've never had that experience, where slight alterations in a score truly deepen the emotional experience of the show, rather than just act as an overt prompt.
@limber: Well, I'm certainly not implying that there is something wrong with you for liking his stuff. But I can't help it. When you said you liked "Star Trek" I hope you're not referring to the remake, because if you were, thats where you really lost me. The music for Star Trek (2009) was an insult at best. I have never liked Star Trek Deep Space 9, but BOY does it have some epic score. Star Trek on the other hand was ... yea... that was not cool. All the star trek 2009 movie score was, was screams, and wailing and some drum hits with one or two trumpet note changes ... done, star trek 2009 ... So shameful... And to be quite honest with you, thats what I am hearing in the BSG music. So maybe I'm being a bit bias.
Either way, I kind of get what you're saying. I'm very passionate about a themes though. And this approach McCreary's taking is something I'm really not keen to and I'm hoping other composers don't pick up on it. I can't help but feel it's the lazy way out. Why? because the method McCreary uses are a bit easy, not much talent required I suppose... I know you were immersed in the music but I look at that video specifically posted up with his mucis and I can't help but feel cheep because I couldn't follow the music with a melody. And a melodic tune is a bit of work so when it works with the film, I can't help but fall madly in love with the movie.
@Haroon Piracha: I was referring to the remake, but again: it was the trailer music that caught my ear, and when I tracked it down it turned out to be reworked Children of Dune score. When I listened to some of the actual "Star Trek" 2009 score, it wasn't interesting, I didn't buy it.
The music posted with the video above isn't the stuff I really love, it's what I consider more incidental, fighty music. I prefer the parts that sound like this:
I'm no musician, I can't really judge from talent or effort. I just know that what he writes I find beautiful, very impressive during the show, and extremely useful to me as a standalone work. And considering a very small percentage of scores seem to be in my wheelhouse in that respect, I don't want it getting squashed by more traditional composition!
What sort of theme are you thinking of, that makes you fall in love with a film? What films (I'm unfamiliar with the DS9 score)? And would you ever listen to the score while NOT watching the film?
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(Says the proud owner of several versions of the aforementioned albums...)
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... I kinda like the syrupy goo that is Titanic's music.
Also, Jerry Goldsmith's son Joel is a pretty decent composer too,
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[all regular people can move right along to your regularly scheduled commenting]
You probably already own the Star Wars suite. If you don't, you should. The E.T. suite is also great. Harry Potter, an arrangement's good enough. Jurassic Park, ditto. Catch with Williams is most of them are only available as either crappy arrangements, or the full suites which are great but like $400.
Back to the Future is only available in a three minute rental, which is better than nothing, but unsatisfyingly short and annoyingly expensive.
There's actually a fairly decent medley of Star Trek themes out there, for cheap, at Luck's I think. There's some "wtf is this" stuff in the middle but it starts with TOS and ends with TNG, as it should.
also worth noting: Also Sprach Zarathustra is in the public domain. As is Holst's Planets.
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In more ways than just influence-on-theme-tunes, Star Wars is Holst, and Star Trek is Mahler.
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Akira Ifukube?
He created the G-man's roar for cryin' out loud!
If you can look past Horner and Vangelis' non-SF stuff, then surely he passes muster as well.
DA DA DA DAAAAAAAAAAAA!
DA DA DA DAAAAAAAAAAAA!
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By contrast, McCreary is subtle. It's subliminal, it gets under my skin and as I'm watching a scene, it manipulates on a very emotional level. And often he scores in a way that's in contrast to the main theme of the scene, so there's an extra level of nuance. Even better, I can listen to it on my iPod without attaching it to a certain scene in BSG. I write to it all the time.
I know it's not everyone's cup of tea, but in a world where I can't stand most of the traditional theme-based scores, I'll encourage Bear as much as financially possible.
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Part of this might be just plain musical tastes (I like Philip Glass, who makes some people want to rip out their own eardrums), but McCreary's themes are valuable to me because they aren't the love theme, the escape theme, the sad theme, the suspense theme. Instead they're themes that really get to the root of the characters or the relationship that's being highlighted, and then the themes are bent and blended and changed as the show went on. A lot of the themes, just in pacing and instrumentation and design, are very emotive for me.
The Roslin/Adama theme is bittersweet and mature, and it develops and grows into something younger and hopeful. The Roslin Confesses track is a fall from grace. The Shape of Things to Come is ecclesiastical revelation, and Passacaglia meditative. Much of this interpretation is due to where these themes were used in the show, but it's almost a reverse of traditional themes for me. Where Back to the Future's theme sounds zippy and actiony, it can also only apply to BttF-ish stuff; I would never buy a BttF score to listen to at home. McCreary's stuff is much more open, and while I know some of the spin I put on it is directly derived from the show, I'm able to listen to the tracks and apply them to non-BSG things. (His music is undeniably helpful as I write, because I can apply those broad emotional themes and basically have a soundtrack for the scene I'm writing.)
McCreary's scoring of the show practically became another character for me. I was so attuned to the score, I picked up when Adama instruments were being used in Roslin's theme, or when a particular track was altered, and those tiny hints always paid off in character development. I've never had that experience, where slight alterations in a score truly deepen the emotional experience of the show, rather than just act as an overt prompt.
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Either way, I kind of get what you're saying. I'm very passionate about a themes though. And this approach McCreary's taking is something I'm really not keen to and I'm hoping other composers don't pick up on it. I can't help but feel it's the lazy way out. Why? because the method McCreary uses are a bit easy, not much talent required I suppose... I know you were immersed in the music but I look at that video specifically posted up with his mucis and I can't help but feel cheep because I couldn't follow the music with a melody. And a melodic tune is a bit of work so when it works with the film, I can't help but fall madly in love with the movie.
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The music posted with the video above isn't the stuff I really love, it's what I consider more incidental, fighty music. I prefer the parts that sound like this:
I'm no musician, I can't really judge from talent or effort. I just know that what he writes I find beautiful, very impressive during the show, and extremely useful to me as a standalone work. And considering a very small percentage of scores seem to be in my wheelhouse in that respect, I don't want it getting squashed by more traditional composition!
What sort of theme are you thinking of, that makes you fall in love with a film? What films (I'm unfamiliar with the DS9 score)? And would you ever listen to the score while NOT watching the film?