As a black man, and a massive nerd, I must say that this article was both well written and immensely painful. Well done, sir. Well done.
The funny thing is, I've met many other black comic book fans. Latino comic fans, too. It seems to me like black and/or minority heroes in general should be more successful, but yet there's only a string of cancelled titles. Perhaps the problem is actually the paucity of books with a black protagonist. Since there's usually only a few going on at a time, it's seen as something different from the norm. So a black leading character attracts extra attention, which may increase the pressure on the creative team to make a "statement" about the black/minority experience. And that can turn some people off, Especially if they don't understand, can't relate to, or disagree with that author's statement. Various writers who've worked on Captain America have complained of a similar problem. Simply too much symbolic weight is added to the character, and it becomes leaden.
The other question is one of identification. Much of the old-guard comic book audience is white, and they'll want to see heroes they can identify with, that they can imagine themselves being. So they'll be more interested in protagonists that look like them, or some image of what they want to look like. That's just natural, but it does place an extra onus on a black character.
The weird thing is that books with alien heroes as their protagonist have done just fine. I'd like to think that's because regardless of the color of our skin, we all feel like aliens sometimes.
Well duh. Everyone knows that all blacks have to be liberals, or else they will be mercilessly attacked my Sharpton, Jackson et al for being house ******* and other sins.
@Canoehead: Actually, most black people in the US are rather socially conservative. They just don't vote conservative because our (alleged) conservative party has opened its arms to a whole bunch of people who don't like black people very much ever since the '70s (cf: Southern Strategy)
@HeartBurnKid: They need to do some reading then. Jim Crow laws and the like were made up mostly by Dems.
Personally I think black people have shortchanged themselves terribly. Decades of voting Dem have gotten them mostly nothing because the Dem politicians have convinced them that voting conservative is "racist".
@HeartBurnKid: Agent of R.O.A.C.H.: @ConAir34: Well, by giving the Dem Party their unquestioning, lockstep support, blacks in America have certainly increased their negotiating leverage.
@ConAir34: I think you need to do some reading. You could start with my post, which said "since the '70s".
Many of the Southern Democrats who backed Jim Crow got forced out of the party and snatched up by the Republicans (Strom Thurmond being the most prominent example). Beyond that, the Republicans openly courted Southerners who felt betrayed by LBJ signing the Civil Rights Act and fearful of the newly-empowered black men in their midst. They really weren't particularly subtle about it then, unlike now (when they do much the same thing, but don't voice it quite as loudly).
@HeartBurnKid: Agent of R.O.A.C.H.: Wow, this got political fast. I think I'll chime in.
Or to put it another way, it's an unoffical part of the republican party platform to be a douche. I usually vote dem. Not because Im in any way convinced of the greatness of the party ( not at all ) but because so many republicans are flaming psychos.
I'm probably the only one out there, but I miss "The Crew" by Priest et al... it gave us a really interesting version of Rhodey, and seemed to be going someplace really fascinating when it got (as usual for a Priest title) cancelled too soon.
@Charlie Jane Anders: It's not just you. The Crew was a fascinating, smart, book that like everything I've read by Priest was cancelled far, far too soon. If you've not found it yet, try and track down old issues of Xer0. The final issue fell victim to horrific editorial mauling but it at least has a beginning, middle and end.
I've rewritten this post before hitting 'Share' multiple times, so I'm just going to flat-out say it.
John Stewart is NOT a replacement for Hal Jordan in my eyes. I was completely ignorant of the Green Lantern's history as a kid because I didn't understand how to read comic books, but the Justice League cartoon basically solidified John Stewart as the Green Lantern for me.
When I first saw Hal Jordan, I was actually *pissed* because I thought they had killed off John Stewart and replaced him.
John Stewart wasn't the first Green Lantern, but I think he stands out on his own as a good character and I will always think of him before Hal Jordan when I hear the name Green Lantern.
@Rocketknight: For me, who came in to Green Lantern sideways, John, Kyle, and Guy are not replacements either. They're Hal's fellow cops, and they're all different. Hell it's one of the reasons Green Lantern and GLC are my favorite books.
@RoboBagins: Point of fact -- even if you came into Green Lantern frontways, Guy was never a replacement for Hal. Hal was Guy's replacement. Guy was the Guardians' first choice for an Earthling GL, but he had been in an accident and went into a coma (which resulted in him having a completely different personality when he came out of it). True this was all retconned in long after Hal's first appearance, but that's how it stands continuity-wise. Unless they've changed it in the 10 years or so since I regularly read DC's titles.
Thanks,
Communist Pope
President & CEO, His Own Personal GL Fan Club (and by GL he means '80s/'90s-era Guy Gardner)
At least James Rhodes could be said to have reached iconic status. When's the last time you looked at superhero____ and said that____can be seen as the iconic Mexican-American superhero. Or that____is the iconic Filipino American superhero.
@Alasdair5000: And it was a truly valiant attempt. Jaime Reyes's solo book was of the highest quality, it just didn't sell all that well. You have to appreciate that DC is at least keeping the character in the public eye (attaching him to the Booster Gold book and some of the Titans franchises, as well as appearing in Batman:tB&tB repeatedly) and not simply marginalizing him by bringing Ted Kord or Dan Garrett back to life.
Unlike, say, how the return of Ray Palmer has greatly marginalized Ryan Choi.
@PossibleCabbage: Yeah, but Jaime's book was really well-written all the way until its cancellation. Choi was great while Gail Simone was writing the book, but suffered a lot after she left. I think if we had been left remembering Simone's Atom, we might be more eager to see him in more stories.
@PossibleCabbage: That's true, they are doing very, very right by the character (To the tune of him appearing in the current Batman cartoon too if I remember rightly?).
And I miss Ryan Choi. The idea of the Atom living and working on top of what amounted to a Scientific Hellmouth was inspired and Choi's combination of intelligence and charm is great fun to read when done right.
I think Spawn is the quintessential black comic book hero, just like Martin Luther King Jr. is the quintessential black real-life hero; they had to die to be embraced by the dominant culture.
@txtphile: for me the quintessential black superhero was black racer- I always thought that if I could reboot a comic it would be either black racer or brother geek
Does Emerson Cod qualify, even though he started out on TV and hasn't yet (that I've heard) made the transition to comic-dom, on the basis that he _is_ supposed to at some point? 'Cause if so, I vote for him. #marvelcomics
@Aethyr: I was totally on that route with the ballers, too. I played Hitman 2 on my first Windows PC, and never looked back after strangling someone with piano wire.
However, this critter is rather hirsute compared to our Codename 47.
I keep hoping someone will use the name "Rodimus Spanx" for a simian-oriented comic. #marvelcomics
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The funny thing is, I've met many other black comic book fans. Latino comic fans, too. It seems to me like black and/or minority heroes in general should be more successful, but yet there's only a string of cancelled titles. Perhaps the problem is actually the paucity of books with a black protagonist. Since there's usually only a few going on at a time, it's seen as something different from the norm. So a black leading character attracts extra attention, which may increase the pressure on the creative team to make a "statement" about the black/minority experience. And that can turn some people off, Especially if they don't understand, can't relate to, or disagree with that author's statement. Various writers who've worked on Captain America have complained of a similar problem. Simply too much symbolic weight is added to the character, and it becomes leaden.
The other question is one of identification. Much of the old-guard comic book audience is white, and they'll want to see heroes they can identify with, that they can imagine themselves being. So they'll be more interested in protagonists that look like them, or some image of what they want to look like. That's just natural, but it does place an extra onus on a black character.
The weird thing is that books with alien heroes as their protagonist have done just fine. I'd like to think that's because regardless of the color of our skin, we all feel like aliens sometimes.
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Personally I think black people have shortchanged themselves terribly. Decades of voting Dem have gotten them mostly nothing because the Dem politicians have convinced them that voting conservative is "racist".
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Many of the Southern Democrats who backed Jim Crow got forced out of the party and snatched up by the Republicans (Strom Thurmond being the most prominent example). Beyond that, the Republicans openly courted Southerners who felt betrayed by LBJ signing the Civil Rights Act and fearful of the newly-empowered black men in their midst. They really weren't particularly subtle about it then, unlike now (when they do much the same thing, but don't voice it quite as loudly).
Try reading this, just to get started.
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Or to put it another way, it's an unoffical part of the republican party platform to be a douche. I usually vote dem. Not because Im in any way convinced of the greatness of the party ( not at all ) but because so many republicans are flaming psychos.
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John Stewart is NOT a replacement for Hal Jordan in my eyes. I was completely ignorant of the Green Lantern's history as a kid because I didn't understand how to read comic books, but the Justice League cartoon basically solidified John Stewart as the Green Lantern for me.
When I first saw Hal Jordan, I was actually *pissed* because I thought they had killed off John Stewart and replaced him.
John Stewart wasn't the first Green Lantern, but I think he stands out on his own as a good character and I will always think of him before Hal Jordan when I hear the name Green Lantern.
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Thanks,
Communist Pope
President & CEO, His Own Personal GL Fan Club (and by GL he means '80s/'90s-era Guy Gardner)
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Unlike, say, how the return of Ray Palmer has greatly marginalized Ryan Choi.
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And I miss Ryan Choi. The idea of the Atom living and working on top of what amounted to a Scientific Hellmouth was inspired and Choi's combination of intelligence and charm is great fun to read when done right.
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Ah, that was bracing.
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@txtphile: for me the quintessential black superhero was black racer- I always thought that if I could reboot a comic it would be either black racer or brother geek
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The best Monkey With a Gun will always be the one from Hellboy (with a cameo in Amazing Screw-On Head) #marvelcomics
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However, this critter is rather hirsute compared to our Codename 47.
I keep hoping someone will use the name "Rodimus Spanx" for a simian-oriented comic. #marvelcomics
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Monkey with a gun!
We need more armed monkeys in entertainment. #marvelcomics