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Somewhat surprised at the absence of one of the great tie-in novel series of all time: the Battletech books. VERY symbiotic, and canon to both the RPG and the computer games.
@Daveinva: Oh, also, another -tech: the Robotech novels, in particular the "Jack McKinney" ones.
For some stupid reason, they were always very divisive among the fans, but I thought they were excellent, especially once they got to the Sentinels books (which were MUCH better IMO than Carl Macek's goofy story-sketch he had for that ill-fated series).
@Demonbird: Ummm... they have killed original cast already.
Still, other than the whole Killiks/Joiner debacle (those were painful to read), I've rather enjoyed the extension of the franchise in a logical path that the novels have taken since Zahn's original trilogy.
The focus is getting more and more onto the next generation of characters, including Ben Skywlaker and Jaina Solo, plus a number of other characters introduced into the mix from various sources: Corran & Mirax Horn and their kids, Jag Fel, Chief of State Daala, etc
@Burke:
I've enjoyed them too, but there is definitely a lot that could be done if a newgroup was allowed to take a swing at the franchise.
Also, Chewbacca was ultimately expendable, and is the only one to die out of all the books.
Currently, Luke, Leia, and Han still have a very big role in the stories being told, despite their age, and if that's what people want, elt them do a reboot.
@Demonbird: A reboot is highly unlikely. People have talked about this before and the general consensus has been against a reboot. People have spent too much time and money on the current universe that starting it all over would just make people very angry. Plus Del Rey doesn't seem to be thinking in that direction at all so it's not likely to happen.
I would however like the focus to shift away from the movie characters. Del Rey keeps using the argument of '60 is the new 40' but that's just lazy IMO. However we are getting more standalones focusing on minor characters, like the upcoming novel Crosscurrent which takes place shortly after Legacy of the Force and focuses on Jaden Korr, a video game character and Jedi Knight of the younger generation.
@Xicer:
I have no idea what Del Ray is going to do after they advance the story another 10-15 years. Besides having at least two massive galactic conflicts during that time.
@Demonbird: The have nodded in this direction in the LEGACY comics, which I suspect they may start tying in the novels with. They moved the timeline 100 years further into the future and basically just said all the regular characters are now dead but not specified the circumstances under which they died, and the story just continues with new characters. It's as close as a reboot as you can get without doing an acutal remake (KNIGHTS OF THE OLD REPUBLIC does a similar thing in the earlier time period). But I believe Lucas has ruled out remakes of the original movies or anything like that.
@Adam Whitehead:
It's far from the same, and as much a reboot as any of the standalone novels or comics were.
Oh well. I've read most all of the books and comics, but I think it would be really itneresting to see a new group of authors take a stab at the series.
Tie-in work in general so rarely gets the love it deserves...since io9 has been talking a lot lately about the "ghetto" SF lives in, it's important to note that many fans (unfortunately) place tie-ins in the ghetto's ghetto.
You've definitely covered all the major arcs in tie-in history, I think, and I appreciate that you addressed canonicity in a couple of places--it's a very common debate for fans (especially in the differences between how Star Trek and Star Wars officially deal with it) which probably deserves a post of its own. #canon#continuity
(Given that Greg Bear had already written a Star Trek novel in the Eighties, people shouldn't have been that surprised about the Halo novel, though. ;))
@Wookie1972: the solo books are okay- the lando books ruled- vuffi raa is still one of my favorite characters in the star wars universe, plus lando was cool and all in empire/jedi but he is way cooler in the preceding and post jedi novels
@Wookie1972: check used book stores or download them if you have a reader, the three individual books are released as one paperback nowadays (like the han trilogy) and I think that i saw a copy last time I was in borders
Excellent post, but two big omissions. First, David McDaniel, who wrote some amazingly imaginative and entertaining tie-in novels in the 60's -- mainly for "The Man from Uncle." Look for "The Dagger Affair" and "The Vampire Affair." Way, way better than the actual show. He also wrote a legendary unpublished series finale for "Uncle," "The Final Affair" -- there are graymarket copies of the manuscript still floating around.
Second, John M. Ford -- a couple of people have mentioned his Star Trek tie-in "How Much for Just the Planet," but there's another, "The Final Reflection," that does for the Klingons what Diane Duane does for the Romulans, and is a pretty fine s-f novel in its own right.
Since someone earlier mentioned movie adaptations, I have to talk about my favorite one, the novelization of Escape from New York.
When the movie came out, I desperately wanted to see it but knew there was no hope since it was rated R and I was 11. So I picked up the book instead.
What a beautiful mindfuck that book was for an 11 year old. It was essentially proto-cyberpunk, painting out a broken dystopian America, with this almost unrelenting bleakness. The wasteland of New York City described in such intense detail. If I had nightmares, I would be dreaming of the drumming of the crazies in the underground tunnels, their minds blown to criminal depths by the widespread use of chemical weapons.
The book has one of the best cityscapes in the long history of dystopian sci-fi. Everything described in beautiful detail, from the zombie-esque crazies underground, to the feudalistic structure of the ruling gangs, to the chaos of the government food drops in Central Park, to small sections of town where people vainly tried to emulate the peace and normality they once had, to the brutal measures taken by the government in processing the prisoners and keeping them from escaping.
The movie pales by comparison and I was deeply disappointed when I finally got a chance to see it.
Another great author who wrote a couple of memorable Trek books was John M. Ford, who vastly expanded our understanding of Klingon culture in How Much For Just The Planet? and The FInal Reflection.
I loved those books so much. I'm still irritated to this day that the subsequent TV shows and movies seemed to go out of their way to piss on Ford's take on Klingon culture and history.
Great post. Also an interesting iteration of this nutty phenomenon: screenplay adaptations. Guess who wrote the novelization of "The Abyss?" Orson Scott Card, for chrissakes! Guess who turned the Philip K. Dick short story-turned-screenplay back into prose for a novel-length version of "Total Recall?" None other than Piers Anthony. Does anyone else have one of these to add?
@Perhaps Not: Christopher Priest adapted the Cronenberg movie EXISTENZ. Matthew Stover did the novel of REVENGE OF THE SITH (which got better reviews than the actual movie).
Hate to be a stickler Charlie, but I am fairly certain that Dr Who tie-ins started being published in early 70's check these sites for details: [en.wikipedia.org] [www.personal.leeds.ac.uk]
@remotesimmie: The early books, which started in the mid-1960s, were novelizations more than original material, although in some cases they deviated widely from the original TV serial. DOCTOR WHO AND THE DALEKS by David Whittaker actually has a different premise to the show itself, halfway between the TV series and the movie, and I remember was one of the best books in the series.
In addition, original WHO novels (original to the audience, anyway) started appearing in the late 1980s when Target released a bunch of books released on unfilmed television scripts.
Didn't famed SF author Joe Haldeman (Forever War, All my Sins Remembered) also do some StarTrek novels early on? I remember one called Planet of Judgement.
The Star Trek: New Voyages Stories were awesome. I read both volumes when I was 8 or 9. There is one story in which the genders of the Enterprise crew get inverted! Kirk wakes up as a woman. I seriously, don't know if I ever enjoyed tie-in fiction more than those books.
They also converted one of my elementary school friends into a Trekkie, and then a full-blown SF person.
@ryancbritt: I remember that story! Kirk and the crew switch genders because of some alien artifact. I lost my New Voyages books somewhere along the way because my family moved a lot. My other favorite story was "The Mind Ripper" where Kirk is tortures by the Klingons and goes insane. He goes back in time through the Gaurdian of Forever to find Edith Keeler and ends up in a present-day insane asylum. Creepy story.
Anyone who wants to see how a Trek prequel should have been handled (as opposed to the show Enterprise) would do well to pick up Diane Carey's "Final Frontier." It chronicles the first voyage of Robert April and George Kirk (Jim's dad) aboard the first starship, i.e. the Enterprise. They run afoul of the Romulans, in a portrayal which borrows a lot from Duane's books. It's truly exciting, emotional, wonderful storytelling. The framing story, in which James Kirk is reading his dad's letters written during the crisis, is also very, very good.
It's by far my favorite Trek novel, and stand up just as well today as when I read it at age 12 or 13 - when I begged my mom to buy it for me off the grocery store rack.
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For some stupid reason, they were always very divisive among the fans, but I thought they were excellent, especially once they got to the Sentinels books (which were MUCH better IMO than Carl Macek's goofy story-sketch he had for that ill-fated series).
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The novels anymore are just
"What can we take away from the main cast, without killing any original cast, to create more drama?"
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Still, other than the whole Killiks/Joiner debacle (those were painful to read), I've rather enjoyed the extension of the franchise in a logical path that the novels have taken since Zahn's original trilogy.
The focus is getting more and more onto the next generation of characters, including Ben Skywlaker and Jaina Solo, plus a number of other characters introduced into the mix from various sources: Corran & Mirax Horn and their kids, Jag Fel, Chief of State Daala, etc
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I've enjoyed them too, but there is definitely a lot that could be done if a newgroup was allowed to take a swing at the franchise.
Also, Chewbacca was ultimately expendable, and is the only one to die out of all the books.
Currently, Luke, Leia, and Han still have a very big role in the stories being told, despite their age, and if that's what people want, elt them do a reboot.
Hell, even Boba Fett still gets notice.
#speakup
11/24/09
I would however like the focus to shift away from the movie characters. Del Rey keeps using the argument of '60 is the new 40' but that's just lazy IMO. However we are getting more standalones focusing on minor characters, like the upcoming novel Crosscurrent which takes place shortly after Legacy of the Force and focuses on Jaden Korr, a video game character and Jedi Knight of the younger generation.
11/24/09
I have no idea what Del Ray is going to do after they advance the story another 10-15 years. Besides having at least two massive galactic conflicts during that time.
#speakup
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It's far from the same, and as much a reboot as any of the standalone novels or comics were.
Oh well. I've read most all of the books and comics, but I think it would be really itneresting to see a new group of authors take a stab at the series.
#speakup
11/24/09
Tie-in work in general so rarely gets the love it deserves...since io9 has been talking a lot lately about the "ghetto" SF lives in, it's important to note that many fans (unfortunately) place tie-ins in the ghetto's ghetto.
You've definitely covered all the major arcs in tie-in history, I think, and I appreciate that you addressed canonicity in a couple of places--it's a very common debate for fans (especially in the differences between how Star Trek and Star Wars officially deal with it) which probably deserves a post of its own. #canon #continuity
(Given that Greg Bear had already written a Star Trek novel in the Eighties, people shouldn't have been that surprised about the Halo novel, though. ;))
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Second, John M. Ford -- a couple of people have mentioned his Star Trek tie-in "How Much for Just the Planet," but there's another, "The Final Reflection," that does for the Klingons what Diane Duane does for the Romulans, and is a pretty fine s-f novel in its own right.
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When the movie came out, I desperately wanted to see it but knew there was no hope since it was rated R and I was 11. So I picked up the book instead.
What a beautiful mindfuck that book was for an 11 year old. It was essentially proto-cyberpunk, painting out a broken dystopian America, with this almost unrelenting bleakness. The wasteland of New York City described in such intense detail. If I had nightmares, I would be dreaming of the drumming of the crazies in the underground tunnels, their minds blown to criminal depths by the widespread use of chemical weapons.
The book has one of the best cityscapes in the long history of dystopian sci-fi. Everything described in beautiful detail, from the zombie-esque crazies underground, to the feudalistic structure of the ruling gangs, to the chaos of the government food drops in Central Park, to small sections of town where people vainly tried to emulate the peace and normality they once had, to the brutal measures taken by the government in processing the prisoners and keeping them from escaping.
The movie pales by comparison and I was deeply disappointed when I finally got a chance to see it.
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I loved those books so much. I'm still irritated to this day that the subsequent TV shows and movies seemed to go out of their way to piss on Ford's take on Klingon culture and history.
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great article as well.
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[en.wikipedia.org]
[www.personal.leeds.ac.uk]
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In addition, original WHO novels (original to the audience, anyway) started appearing in the late 1980s when Target released a bunch of books released on unfilmed television scripts.
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The Star Trek: New Voyages Stories were awesome. I read both volumes when I was 8 or 9. There is one story in which the genders of the Enterprise crew get inverted! Kirk wakes up as a woman. I seriously, don't know if I ever enjoyed tie-in fiction more than those books.
They also converted one of my elementary school friends into a Trekkie, and then a full-blown SF person.
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Anyone who wants to see how a Trek prequel should have been handled (as opposed to the show Enterprise) would do well to pick up Diane Carey's "Final Frontier." It chronicles the first voyage of Robert April and George Kirk (Jim's dad) aboard the first starship, i.e. the Enterprise. They run afoul of the Romulans, in a portrayal which borrows a lot from Duane's books. It's truly exciting, emotional, wonderful storytelling. The framing story, in which James Kirk is reading his dad's letters written during the crisis, is also very, very good.
It's by far my favorite Trek novel, and stand up just as well today as when I read it at age 12 or 13 - when I begged my mom to buy it for me off the grocery store rack.