This doesn't matter any more than the stem-cell hassle in the US. The work will get done somewhere, and if the results are good will be adopted everywhere.
As mentioned below, the only thing this might change is who gets the patents.
-Kle.
@gorehound: If you do not like it? why do you claim it? I may have been baptized but I despise my relgion... And in stating this I make myself a hypocrite.
@Obama takes time to read kotaku's comments...: Huh? You don't get to decide if you're baptized or not - not in mainstream Christianity, anyway. So it's perfectly possible to be in a religion against your will, or to like some elements of your religion yet despise others without a hint of hypocricy.
As for the research itself, I can only hope that it continues elsewhere, and it probably does. Every line of research needs to be studied if we are to improve the general human condition significantly.
And it will amuse me when the United States starts freely using treatments derived from the very research they screamed to be banned... :)
@Lightice: Their is a process of "confirmation", however, in christanity, which is supposed to be done at a age where you have some choice.
The logic is you need to be baptised to clense you of the original sin [rolleyes], then when you have a say in the mater you can choose to reject it later.
I for one welcome our four-assed monkey-man overlor...ah, nevermind.
But seriously, there is a "Human Fertilisation and Embrology Authority"- and this organization actually issued licenses to perform this type of research!?
Dear Scientists of the World:
I know you like to play God and all, but just because you can do something doesn't mean you should. Cut it out, right now. Seriously, before you guys destroy life as we know it.
I read this article in the Independent earlier today. Unfortunately, their central conceit – that the work that has been licensed by the HFEA should automatically receive funding – is completely flawed. Any grant applications submitted to the Research Councils, or for that matter to charitable bodies such as the Wellcome Trust, must be and are assessed on their scientific merits. The Independent article provides no evidence that this has not occurred in this case, save for hearsay and innuendo.
project to cure heart disease and project to cure Parkinson's: "Me are make clones! Cure bad bads with help from animal friends!"
HFEA: "You am play gods! You grasp exceed grasp!"
project to cure heart disease and project to cure Parkinson's after a transgenic eats off their arms: "Me am play gods!"
Well, they could have followed in the footsteps of a previous British scientist in a similar field when he met with similar resistance to his work and moved to a remote island where they create a population of people-animal hybrids and govern over them with a strict set of rules.
Well, they could have followed in the footsteps of a previous British scientist in a similar field when he met with similar resistance to his work and move to a remote island where they populate it with various people-animal hybrids and govern over them with a strict set of rules.
Score one for the end of science? How can they even begin to do this? Morality is something that has to do with science on a basic level. If they are creating these animal/people hybrid embryos what's next? Allowing them to develop and creating living hybrids? What rights would they have?
@LegalizeRoofies: On the other hand maybe animals would have more rights if there were someone around who could speak on their behalf in a language we understand.
Ultimately we're just an offshoot of monkeys so not really so far removed from them as we'd like to believe.
Call me crazy but the way I see it none of us asked to be created or asked to be here so whether it's through the reproductive process of two individuals choosing to mate, or genetically engineered in a lab or created in a factory out of circuits and microprocessors (once the technology gets sufficiently advanced to create sentient AI) I don't really see a heck of a lot of difference, we all still get plopped into life and have to learn to deal with it as best we can.
I'm not saying these guys are saints with altruistic motives, I'm just saying there's mutliple perspectives to look at any situation.
@Motoki: but why would animal human hybrids advocate rights for animals? They aren't animals, and they aren't human, they'd have to enough to worry about of their own survival of rights let alone stopping people from wearing fur or eating meat
@LegalizeRoofies: Turing test them. If they pass, they should have every right that we do.
Alternatively, you could do some test to see how much they value life themselves.
Put them in a group with more of their own species, have a distinct advantage to them if they kill another. (say, more food). Make sure theres no downside to doing this. (admitable, this is hard..groups are stronger, after all).
Make sure they are both able (physicaly) and mentaly to kill another of their kind to get such an advantage.
Then, if they DONT do it, we should value their life as much as they do.
Of course though, this would be an amazingly hard test to set up. The difference between "unwilling" and "not understanding" would have to be filtered out.
@TheDarkWayne: We advocate rights for apes more then, say, fish.
Theres no reason to think that if your more similar, and can emphasis or even communicate more, you wont stick up for their rights more.
Maybe I'm remembering it wrong, but I don't recall the sexual mores of the The World Inside being "free love" as much as "men chose who to have sex with and women aren't allowed to say no." In particular I remember the women being expected to stay in their apartments while the men roamed around at night visiting their chosen sex partner. Between that and conformity enforced by putting dissenters down the recycling chute, I found the future society it depicted really horrifying.
That's not to say it couldn't make a good TV series in the right hands.
@PeggyK:
If you know any people old enough to have been actual hippies, that's pretty much the way it worked then, too. Plus, the women tended to do all the work, while the men laid around all day getting high.
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I've always found it kind of hilarious the way most hippie communes quickly began to resemble fringe Mormon extremist compounds, only w/o any firepower.
-Kle.
10/06/09
As mentioned below, the only thing this might change is who gets the patents.
-Kle.
10/05/09
I do not like religion even my own.
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As for the research itself, I can only hope that it continues elsewhere, and it probably does. Every line of research needs to be studied if we are to improve the general human condition significantly.
And it will amuse me when the United States starts freely using treatments derived from the very research they screamed to be banned... :)
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The logic is you need to be baptised to clense you of the original sin [rolleyes], then when you have a say in the mater you can choose to reject it later.
Of course, most just go with the flow.
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But seriously, there is a "Human Fertilisation and Embrology Authority"- and this organization actually issued licenses to perform this type of research!?
Dear Scientists of the World:
I know you like to play God and all, but just because you can do something doesn't mean you should. Cut it out, right now. Seriously, before you guys destroy life as we know it.
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(I know it's already been done in the comments, but it really seemed to fit here)
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But who will take down Manticore now???
And here I thought Jessica Alba was the shape of things to come...
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Ultimately we're just an offshoot of monkeys so not really so far removed from them as we'd like to believe.
Call me crazy but the way I see it none of us asked to be created or asked to be here so whether it's through the reproductive process of two individuals choosing to mate, or genetically engineered in a lab or created in a factory out of circuits and microprocessors (once the technology gets sufficiently advanced to create sentient AI) I don't really see a heck of a lot of difference, we all still get plopped into life and have to learn to deal with it as best we can.
I'm not saying these guys are saints with altruistic motives, I'm just saying there's mutliple perspectives to look at any situation.
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Alternatively, you could do some test to see how much they value life themselves.
Put them in a group with more of their own species, have a distinct advantage to them if they kill another. (say, more food). Make sure theres no downside to doing this. (admitable, this is hard..groups are stronger, after all).
Make sure they are both able (physicaly) and mentaly to kill another of their kind to get such an advantage.
Then, if they DONT do it, we should value their life as much as they do.
Of course though, this would be an amazingly hard test to set up. The difference between "unwilling" and "not understanding" would have to be filtered out.
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Theres no reason to think that if your more similar, and can emphasis or even communicate more, you wont stick up for their rights more.
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So, pretty much like the current day, then?
-Kle.
08/14/09
That's not to say it couldn't make a good TV series in the right hands.
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I don't see how it could be an ongoing series, though. Seems more suited to a limited series with a finite number of episodes.
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If you know any people old enough to have been actual hippies, that's pretty much the way it worked then, too. Plus, the women tended to do all the work, while the men laid around all day getting high.
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I've always found it kind of hilarious the way most hippie communes quickly began to resemble fringe Mormon extremist compounds, only w/o any firepower.
-Kle.