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    Moonage Daydreamer: The Greatest Lunar Scenes

    Moon’s Future Lies in Frontier Homesteading, Not Collective Ownership

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    Image of Purple Dave Purple Dave
    06/13/09

    In reply to Moonage Daydreamer: The Greatest Lunar Scenes
    What? No Amazon Women on the Moon?
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    Image of KhaiJB KhaiJB
    06/12/09

    In reply to Moonage Daydreamer: The Greatest Lunar Scenes


    I'll take this over season 2 of Space 1999 anyday...

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    Image of OW-Holmes:Bringer of Fear OW-Holmes:Bringer of Fear
    06/12/09

    In reply to Moonage Daydreamer: The Greatest Lunar Scenes
    I freaked out when I found out the video for Tonight Tonight by the Smashing Pumpkins was based on Le voyage dans la lune.


    Great song.

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    Image of Lee Shackleford Lee Shackleford
    06/12/09

    In reply to Moonage Daydreamer: The Greatest Lunar Scenes
    Give me MOON ZERO TWO over SPACE COWBOYS any day. An utterly silly movie, of course, but it's silly with panache, only a degree or two off from being BARBARELLA. Arguably worth watching if only for Catherina von Schell getting down to her underwear.
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    Image of rek rek
    12/12/08

    In reply to Moon’s Future Lies in Frontier Homesteading, Not Collective Ownership
    Tunes will change when there are a million Chinese and a million Indians and just a few hundred or thousand Westerners camped out on the moon.
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    Image of Purple Dave Purple Dave
    12/12/08

    @rek:
    Yeah, all those Westerners will get fed up right quick with having to deal with all the desicated corpses of people who shoestringed their way to the moon.
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    Image of icelight icelight
    12/12/08

    In reply to Moon’s Future Lies in Frontier Homesteading, Not Collective Ownership
    Two problems. First, the author has a very romantic notion of what the 19th century frontier actually looked like. Sure, there were bold individuals staking out new lives on the plains and mountains, but there was far more corruption, violence, petty crime and in general the worst aspects of humanity let loose without restraint. We've just glossed over that in the intervening two centuries.


    Secondly, there is a fundamental difference between the process at work. Settling of the American frontier was something that could be accomplished by anyone with a wagon and a small government grant. That is nowhere near going to be enough to settle on the moon. Given the vast quantities of infrastructure and support required, this finds a much closer parallel in the colonization of the New World by the European powers, leading the ages of Colonialism and Imperialism. And those beget some of the worst atrocities humanity has ever witnessed. So I'd like to avoid that sort of thing if at all possible.

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    Image of braak:  You are, as usual, completely correct. braak: You are, as usual, completely correct.
    12/12/08

    @icelight: That's weird, because that looks like common sense.


    In fact, though, I think that the colonization process is going to look a lot more like the colonization of Antarctica.


    What, exactly, are the "riches of space"? Are we that close to running out of basalt? Isn't most of space actually empty, anyway?

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    Image of Belabras: now with Kung Fu grip! Belabras: now with Kung Fu grip!
    12/12/08

    @icelight:

    No question - it will be an ugly process marred by corruption, violence, and the abuse of power and money.


    That said, it is still the best way to draw private interest in to lunar exploration/colonization.

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    Image of braak:  You are, as usual, completely correct. braak: You are, as usual, completely correct.
    12/12/08

    @Belabras: Yeah, and still the best way to ensure that the moon has a giant fucking Coca-Cola billboard on it that can be seen from Earth.


    This isn't really convincing me that private interest is the way to go.

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    Image of Kishi Kishi
    12/12/08

    @icelight: At least there isn't any native population for us to screw over on the Moon.
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    Image of OW-Holmes:Bringer of Fear OW-Holmes:Bringer of Fear
    12/12/08

    @braak: If it is communally owned no one would have any incentive to invest in the lunar property because any singular investment would only cost the individual but would benefit the community. So if the moon were to have riches (oil, spice, moon cheese) then it take longer to find them.
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    Image of Belabras: now with Kung Fu grip! Belabras: now with Kung Fu grip!
    12/12/08

    In reply to Moon’s Future Lies in Frontier Homesteading, Not Collective Ownership
    Like I said over on Space.com, treating the moon as a frontier is more likely than anything else to draw commercial interest to moon colonization.
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    Image of braak:  You are, as usual, completely correct. braak: You are, as usual, completely correct.
    12/12/08

    @Belabras: Yeah, I don't know. I mean, transforming the 19th century from a land sparsely inhabited by indigenous peoples to a land inhabited by a lot of farmers...this seems disingenuous.


    Isn't colonizing the moon way more like colonizing Antarctica than it is like colonizing Kansas?


    In the 19th century you could, in theory, have just grabbed land by going west on foot.

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    Image of Belabras: now with Kung Fu grip! Belabras: now with Kung Fu grip!
    12/12/08

    @braak:

    Yeah, it won't work that way for the moon.


    Under current auspices the lunar surface would be carved out by those already wealthy/powerful interests that can actually reach it.


    Not a great outcome, but if it pulls in more private interests to lunar exploration, not the worst of all possibilities.

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    Image of braak:  You are, as usual, completely correct. braak: You are, as usual, completely correct.
    12/12/08

    @Belabras: Ah! Maybe not the worst, I'll concede that. Certainly there's potential there.


    If someone starts to put up billboards, though, I swear right now that I'm going to turn into an anti-corporate terrorist.

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    Image of tetracycloide tetracycloide
    12/12/08

    @braak: turn into implies that you currently hold some other profession which we all know isn't true.
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