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    A Fresh Crop of Mushroom-Shaped Nanowires Keeps Your Circuits Shrinking

    Moore's Law Won't Create The Singularity On Its Own
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    09/01/09

    In reply to A Fresh Crop of Mushroom-Shaped Nanowires Keeps Your Circuits Shrinking
    Badger badger badger badger...
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    09/01/09

    In reply to A Fresh Crop of Mushroom-Shaped Nanowires Keeps Your Circuits Shrinking
    "She sprinkles gold nanoparticles on the ends of the wires...suffuses the particles with a superheated silicon gas...solid silicon begins to form at the end of the wire."

    Bullshit. Dr. Ross, you made a deal with Rumpelstiltskin, didn't you?
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    09/01/09

    In reply to A Fresh Crop of Mushroom-Shaped Nanowires Keeps Your Circuits Shrinking
    every single comment so far is a penis joke. is there nothing else to say about this article?
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    09/01/09

    @psychiccheese: i knew a bad plastic surgon who also had trouble keeping the surface of silicon perfectly regular and uniform.
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    09/01/09

    In reply to A Fresh Crop of Mushroom-Shaped Nanowires Keeps Your Circuits Shrinking
    "Mushroom shaped," huh?

    That's one sheltered life you've lead Lauren.
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    09/01/09

    @Cash907Censored: seriously, where is meredith when we need her?
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    09/01/09

    @tetracycloide:
    Recovering from this week's ep of True Blood?
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    09/01/09

    In reply to A Fresh Crop of Mushroom-Shaped Nanowires Keeps Your Circuits Shrinking
    The nanowire is my penis

    Wait a minute...
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    09/01/09

    @OW-Holmes--Upset with Polling: Does your nanaowire do the weird stuff?
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    09/01/09

    @OW-Holmes--Upset with Polling: Well that sucks.

    Take it back and ask for the 'macro' version.
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    09/01/09

    In reply to A Fresh Crop of Mushroom-Shaped Nanowires Keeps Your Circuits Shrinking
    Nanowires - the proverbial 'bag of dicks'?
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    09/01/09

    @Belabras ate my dingo!: care to elaborate on your rather colorful metaphor?
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    09/01/09

    @jrghoull:
    As in "eat a bag of..."

    Surely I'm not the only one who's heard this before?
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    09/01/09

    @Belabras ate my dingo!: No, they clearly haven't been harvested yet. This is still in the "field of dicks" stage. Grow it, and they will come.

    Ugh... I had to write that during lunch, didn't I?
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    02/27/09

    In reply to Moore's Law Won't Create The Singularity On Its Own
    I always thought Moore's law stated that the amount of ire over movies adapted from his work would double every eighteen months.
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    02/27/09

    In reply to Moore's Law Won't Create The Singularity On Its Own
    These discussions always leave me asking myself what human consciousness is in the first place. I am not sure that we really know that well enough to recreate it even if we had the tools. One thing that I do believe is that Turing tests are not sufficient to indicate consciousness, since they basically assume that any forgery good enough to fool you counts as the real thing.
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    02/27/09

    @The Curse of Millhaven: Basically, you're right. But the real problem with the Turing test is that its not objective, and not reliably repeatable.


    Hence why state-of-the art AI research doesn't focus on passing the Turing test ;).

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    02/27/09

    @Tyler Laing: Ooh I think I know this one, the Chinese Room, right? There could be algorithims that match patterns in language and follow rules of grammar allowing it to converse without any understanding of the conversation whatsoever.
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    02/27/09

    @Grey_Area: It's my opinion that Searle's Chinese Room is bunk.


    But yes, I agree with Tyler that the turing test is hardly rigorous or objective. Regardless, it is still a compelling argument that something is sapient.

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    02/27/09

    @corpore-metal: I've been skimming over Searle and this vitalism and I see what you mean. I know a smidgen of Chinese myself, the "rulebook" to be able handle it or any other language fluently would be so complicated you might as well call it a mind.


    So if not the Turing test, what? How do we know consciousness when we see it. I guess that's why philosophers and cognitive researchers get paid the big bucks.

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    02/27/09

    @Grey_Area: Right, that's my position too.


    The rulebooks to handle any conversation, in a language and handle it well, would be so complex that they'd have to be sapient. The person inside the room who just writes notes or answers and shuffles paper around according to the rulebook is just a neuron processing data> He or she doesn't have to understand anything but, the whole system is sapient and capable of semantic understanding.


    But this brings us around to your question, if not the Turing test, what can we use?


    I don't know what else to use. I mean in daily life how do we know other people are conscious? I'm just this set of disembodied bits of text on a website, pretending to be an interesting conversationalist. Am I really a real person?


    We don't have an objective test to prove consciousness yet. It might be a phantasm, maybe there is no way to have an objective test. Consciousness is actually a continuum. It's a matter of degree. There is no clear dividing line between mind and mindlessness.


    And our society rolls on regardless. If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it's a duck.

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    02/27/09

    @corpore-metal: As usual, you've given me a lot to think about. Thanks, my little imaginary friend!
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    02/27/09

    In reply to Moore's Law Won't Create The Singularity On Its Own
    Start the Singularity without me, I don't think I'll be any use to the consenus reality, noösphere whatever. I enjoyed Rainbow's End and similarly themed stuff from Karl Schroeder etc. I have no idea what all this geometric node pingers and whatnot means. I feel dumb.
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    02/27/09

    In reply to Moore's Law Won't Create The Singularity On Its Own
    Doesn't Moore's Law state that transistor count doubles every two years, not processing power?


    They're often linked, but not always.

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    02/27/09

    @mdmadph: Yes, I was just going to say the same thing. See [www.intel.com] .
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    02/27/09

    @CSX321: Yeah I was afraid I was oversimplifying there. I googled it last night to make sure, but still got it askew. Bah.
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