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11/12/09
Here's the original that started it all:
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and here is the remade Special Edition:
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We got Death Star *DEATH STAR* Death Star *Death Star* Death Star!!
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@The_Sporean_Bob: There's a second one? I missed it! #starwars
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At least her priorities are in the right place. #futurism
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I'm passive-aggressively commenting at you, Madonna, I *know* you read this. #futurism
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Is it true shes an hermaphrodite?? Im not being disrespectful, but a recent show showed something fall out. Ive also read that she went on a radio station and stood up for the fact that she was and it was nothing to be ashamed about.
Great poet and song writter. But she's picking all the wrong music to but her writting talent too!!
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"Is it true shes an hermaphrodite??"
Doesn't the video answer the question? I didn't see any crotchular protrusions anywhere. #futurism
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Given her costumes, and how many costume *changes* she makes (these don't happen in dressing rooms, there's no time), there's no doubt in my mind that if she were truly intersex, we would have definitive evidence by now. #futurism
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It also goes to show how quick and easily the rumour mill can work its magic! Especially with the internet nowdays!! Scary!! Personally I dont find her attractive. Shes small and annoying and incredibly strange!! But it doesnt detract from the fact that shes a great writter and poet! #futurism
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She's a girl. No doctor would allow a child to grow up a hermaphrodite without some form of sexual reassignment surgery. Too many problems with estrogen/testosterone abundance. #futurism
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Which is just as well because I wouldn't actually listen to music like this, but I like the soft porn videos that come from it.
I'm more of a Kylie Minogue kind of guy. Sexy + actual talent.
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Or is that her being unsexy?
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Fine I'll concede your point, the actual girl has a bit of talent... but you don't see it in the music video of the OP, and you don't hear it in her songs that are recorded.
If she stuck to the stuff above, and actually focused on the music, I'd have way more respect for her. But when she puts on her GaGa "persona" she does a good job of creating the image of a non-talented hack. I guess that's the idea.
Now I'm going to listen to Kate Bush.
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That is the idea. She's a satirical performance artist playing an exaggerated popstar persona in a sort of "Borat" method acting way.
It's easy to listen to Kate Bush singing about old novels and nuclear war and feel smart in your high tower away from all the commoners, getting the joke in Lady Gaga requires you to be smart and be part of the society around you. #futurism
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If Lady GaGa wants to be Borat, that's great. I like actual music. Like I said earlier, it's clear she is a entertainer first/songwriter second. That's fine.
I'm not in an ivory tower. I just have good taste. I'm a part of the society around me but that doesn't mean I'm going to dumb down my taste so I can slum it with you. #futurism
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That said, I like her. She's an entertainer who's working hard to put on a show. If I want jeans and a t-shirt I'll look in the mirror. #futurism
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Wow. You don't know a thing about the person playing Lady Gaga. I'd really suggest you look up her career so far before you keep on talking. #futurism
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Wow, you need to read all the words before you second guess someone's opinion about an artist. And for the record, I have the album, it's not bad but I'll take La Roux, Little Boots, or Ladyhawke any day in the Synthpop female artists starting with L battle. I can respect her but her main talent seems to lie in self promotion and shock tactics, which in and of itself isn't a bad thing but the way she does just feels like a remix of early Madonna, thats all. #futurism
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Anyhow, the lady playing Gaga is named steffani germanotti, and she's actually amazing. She's been writing hit pop songs for different artists since something like the age of 19, and built a burlesque troop which then got famous, which then became her whole Gaga act. She turned her whole career into a single exuberant art project and it turned out amazing. I think that's brilliant. She's different than madonna and cher and all those others though - they built a personality based on themselves through a mix of arrogance and oversharing and sort of blind silliness. But everything Gaga does is calculated to reveal nothing at all about the person she really is. It's the perfection of the pop star. Something like what Marilyn Manson used to do, but with more glitz and sex. #futurism
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It's just a shame that Roisin Murphy did it first and better. #futurism
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It's ART. Art is a continuum of influence and aggregation of influence. Artists who work in the same field usually work with the same themes, and often the same kinds of image. That's ALL ART. All of it.
Like every other field of endeavour. Saying "this person did this first" simply doesn't apply. #futurism
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I think people confuse entertainers with songwriters these days, and they aren't the same thing. With Lady GaGa, the song is just the "filler" to justify a sexy video.
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Bowie was influenced by Little Richard though, 'tis true.
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What Lady Gaga is doing is just flat out "current pop-trend mishmash". Rap, hip-hop, rock, brittney-spears like ballads, just a bunch of gunk.
In any case if you don't like her style at least your ears are attuned for quality, no matter what it's called.
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I have to admit i don't really like Lady GG (too obvious - too obviously executed) BUT she is entirely ironic in her presentation. She is most definitely taking the piss (and the $$$) out of the fact she gets away with what she does.
As Pope Peeps states; "She turned her whole career into a single exuberant art project and it turned out amazing". That is a pretty accurate description of what Lady Gaga represents. Its all about what my girlfriend would describe as "the Art of Self Invention" and aesthetic identity.
She presents herself as shallow, but secretly there is another story hidden behind the appearance. This is brilliant. It creates a more stunning critical shock - and allows for intellectual debate such as this #futurism
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How did you know about my penis? #futurism
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But hey, she's rich and famous, so she obviously did something right. #futurism
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I basically want someone to actually do something new and/or shocking/different. I'm more shocked by the Duggars than I am by this video. #futurism
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And while we're posting cool videos... #futurism
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Each generation has to have their own rebellion. When they get older they realize how they were just copying someone else. #futurism
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@Plague: I'm not saying this to be cruel, but you should know that this is the kind of thing said EXCLUSIVELY by people who don't study or understand art. It's probably not something anyone should really say in public. I have never known a serious, legitimate artist or art scholar to hold this opinion. It's sort of on par with beginning a conversation with the phrase "well, fox news said that..." #futurism
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The ones who surpass that realize and embrace and cherish that sort of self-abnegation, use it to further a theme. Gaga did exactly that. Look at that whole video - it's intimately human, with sexy bodies and alluring softness, but everything in it is sterile and more often than not the human identity is plasticized, defaced.
She's made herself into a posed doll, something graceful. But one with a heart of pure sex, and based honestly in some really great songwriting (which she writes herself), some great musical talent and a fabulous voice (anyone arguing that her voice isn't amazing is flat out wrong).
It's a pretty intense and singular creation. As someone who thinks a lot about art, I respect her very much. #futurism
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It's not art. It's marketing. #futurism
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I don't think you can count her passionless sex photo book as that didn't really suprise anyone. #futurism
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Gaga does good work - it's not thought-provoking art, but in these rabidly po-mo days that pretty much is considered art, and she's witty enough to get away with it.
I'll take this over Damien Hirst's latest retread of his own fairly unoriginal past work any day. #futurism
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Let me just ask you: what sort of art ISN'T marketing. What is marketing? Knowing what someone wants and being able to craft a statement that resonates with them. How on earth do you get the idea that's not what artists want? An artist doesn't want to reach people? Doesn't want to attract them? Clearly they do. When I write a story or a poem, I'm crafting it to attract someone else. That's generally what artists do. I'm not sure what YOU do, but I guess it's not this.
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You're bending over backwards trying to convince everyone she's some genius artist when she's just an average, normal girl who happened to make a few smart moves. She's not going to sleep with you. She's not going to read this thread and remember you in her dreams.
In reality you don't have a very good grasp of music history. That can be changed though.
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OK buddy. Enjoy your tenure as the head of the Lady Gaga Fan Club. #futurism
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Your argument is what? Marilyn Manson copied Bowie? and this means...?
At least its not as bad as Trent Rezmor copying Gary Numan #futurism
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And just to clarify, although Bowie was a huge influence, Manson didn't steal his actual image until after he had established himself.
And I suppose a secondary point would be, GaGa is no Manson, and she is definitely no Bowie. She's a slutty chick who can play a piano, but apparently, all she has do is say "I'm kidding! This is irony!", and you guys eat it up like she's freaking Andy Warhol. No, she's just a girl selling sex. Like every other pop-star chick who does elaborate dance numbers in their underwear. She would have an advantage, if she could actually SING.... But as has been pointed out, she's like Borat. To have a good singing voice would ruin the effect.
That was pretty much, the gist of my argument. Thanks for asking. Now the argument has shifted into Peeps declaring himself official spokesperson for "art" and making people feel like fools for not seeing the inherent brilliance in Lady GaGas work, trying to convince us that a polished turd is not a turd.
What's your excuse? What the hell are you doing here? Do you have something to add?
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With a little Marylin Manson and blowup rubber doll thrown in. #futurism
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