Oooh, when will io9 post a clip fest from the 1996 Generation X TV Pilot? Considering the technological limitations of the time, that thing was a fairly promising attempt at doing a live action super hero series that remained somewhat loyal to the source material.
The camp factor was priceless, and the replacement of Husk and Chamber with boring stand-ins was unfortunate, but Finola Hughes was spot-on as Emma Frost. Moreover, the whole thing had its own way of coming at a comic book aesthetic in a loving, if cheese-tastic way.
@TomSkylark: Man, I remember being a 10 year old X-Man fanatic who begged to stay up past his bedtime to catch this, cause the idea of a live action X-anything movie seemed unbelievably awesome.
I think the new New Mutants is funny. Marvel grew the characters up and turned the team into X-force with individual personas and responsibilities and costumes. Then the bring back the old team and put everyone in standard uniforms? They make Sam Guthrie somewhat lighthearted after he has been to hell and back. Dacosta is another one that has seen it all and is acting the playboy? I don't get it. I'm not going to go all yay Liefeld but you can't just revert everyone to personalities past. It's called continuity. That being said. I would rather see a New Mutants film that X4.
@Zyg: imagine, a member actually dying, for good. Get ol' Doug Ramsey out there translating and making his life far more difficult that it need to be, then kill him. Put Jack MacBrayer in the role and you have gold i tell you. gold.
@heatstroke: Doug was always my favorite character on the team. Just an average guy who got swept up in something over his head, but he made the best of it. I had no idea he was going to die and remember teh moment I turned the page only to confront his demise.
@Paul_Is_Drunk: Eh, I dunno about that. Until really recently, when writers like Morrison and Whedon realized it was actually a huge problem, good ol' Scotty has been pretty low on the personality scale, which doesn't exactly make for great drama on the big screen. Sure, it's part of why we love the guy in the comics, but it makes him a liability for those new to the X-Men. I'd sure like for someone besides Logan to get the spotlight in the films, but in terms of the movie universe, Scott might be better off blown to smithereens--it's certainly the option I'd choose if the threat of being in another Brett Ratner flick were looming before me.
@Paul_Is_Drunk: Just do a Mr Sinister storyline. The Scott that died wasn't the real Scott--Jean Grey you can easily resurrect, Prof X is alive, Rogue (they will never get Anna Paquin back for that shit) can get her powers back, plus new ones... it's a comic movie, man!
@Paul_Is_Drunk: I think they could pull off an Apocalypse movie, I mean in the first one it was mutants v. mutants. second, mutants v. the government. third, mutants v. society. So they need one where it's everyone united against one common enemy. Who better than apocalypse. Mind you, I think they wouldn't do a good job, I'm just saying that Apocalypse makes sense in a progression sort of a way.
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channeling the rage that is CHARLES BRONSON was starred
channeling the rage that is CHARLES BRONSON was unstarred
So he likes psychologically traumatized and fascinatingly complex characters? And he took Wolverine, pretty much the poster child of such complexity and life trauma in the Marvel Universe (I'd give the overall nod to Batman in DC and all of comic books), and gave us THAT movie? No thank you, Mr. Hood. No thank you.
The only way Magneto will be able to work is if they take a legitimate director who is known more for period drama and treat the movie more like a Holocaust survivor tale that involves elements of the fantastic than an "OMG super powered mutants who are old and were in WWII" movie, which is exactly what Hood would deliver.
Sadly, I don't think Fox is capable of taking such a story seriously enough to justify its existence. I'm not saying another company couldn't, but the movie should not be made by Fox. They simply don't care enough about the characters they have control over, which is sadly very many.
@AldoraGreel: Thinking a little more on the matter, I feel the "Holocaust drama with elements of the fantastic" would be the perfect backdrop for this movie. It could even be the stepping stone for a great culmination of the series as a whole. Follow me on this:
Since the Nazis actually did believe and study the occult it would be fascinating if Magneto was hunted partially for his Jewish heritage but then, once his powers manifested, partially because he was deemed a satanic demon of some sort. Hoping to capture and utilize his "demonic" powers for evil, the Nazis could bring in their personal Doctor and investigator of "the occult" (read: mutant phenomenon), Mr. Sinister.
Sinister could be introduced as a Menghella-type fanatic hoping to create the perfect race (uber-mutants, not Aryans) for his own twisted purposes, not Hitler's. He could serve as the nemesis to Magneto for the film who is later just barely saved from the brink of complete evil from Charles Xavier, but whose impression on Magneto would make his ideals shift between those of Xavier and Sinister, landing in his moral gray area.
Sinister's introduction and experiments on himself (and others) could open the door for his inclusion in the inevitable X4 film. Possibly also opening the door to Apocalypse, who in the movie would be the culmination of Sinister's experiments on mutant kind.
The fourth film could also incorporate Cyclops' history (and return) with Sinister as well as, assuming Angel would be back since he survived X3, Archangel's story arc as a tool of Apocalypse and the Horsemen (maybe bring Gambit in as a Horsemen, too... yes, I know Angel and Gambit were not Horsemen at the same time, but I'd like to see Gambit brought into the fold again somehow... minus the bowler and telekinesis). Sinister could then be revealed to have been the doctor behind the experiments on the mutants in Wolverine Origins (that movie inadvertantly retro-fitting Sinister's obsession with Cyclops into the movie series AND partially explaining Gambit's disappearance at the end of that film, him becoming an early member of the Horsemen).
"There are certain characters in the X-Men universe whose psychological life is strong and fascinating and complex. I think that's why they're appealing to audiences."
Hood then added:
"So of course we'll need to to dumb it down a lot for the mouthbreathers and maybe butcher the shit out said characters. Oh yea, and invest in better anti-pirate defense systems!"
I`m going to have to side with some of my fellow commenters here and take some issue with the fact that this story is labelled up as having something to do with Fallout. I loved the Stalker game, and as soon as I found out about them I bought both the film and Roadside Picnic. I`m glad to see (although I guess I shouldn`t be surprised) that a good number of my fellow commenters have heard of both the film and the book, but I bet a lot of the wider science fiction audience have not. This article could have been the perfect way to introduce them to something that may have normally fallen under their radar. In fact, why not take this opportunity to post a retrospective on Roadside Picnic / Stalker (film).
The movie Stalker came out in 1979 and this article is about S.T.A.L.K.E.R. which makes the headline misleading. But I guess Fallout is a bit more well known these days.
Still, that's some mighty fine larping.
@ ManchuCandidate, This is clearly S.T.A.L.K.E.R. and nothing at all to do with Fallout. The bolts (for detecting anomalies) give it away. This comes from Roadside Picnic or Пикник на обочине, Piknik na obochine, a 1971 Russian novel which was later made into the 1979 Soviet film "The Stalker". These all predate Fallout/Wasteland by many decades.
I'm slightly confused here, why does it say "Gamers Play Fallout__" in the headline, when this is clearly a S.T.A.L.K.E.R. cosplay deal? Stalker (or Roadside Picnic) was out a long time before the Fallout game series. Don't mean to nitpic, sorry.
This Russian group really goes all out on these S.T.A.L.K.E.R. events. I think this is the 4th or 5th one that I've seen now.
@ManchuCandidate: Can you go to Chernobyl? Is that allowed? - Apparently you can. And they call it The Zone of Alienation. Do the Russians live in a video game?
@ManchuCandidate: Lol. Seriously. And just like in Fallout, if they explore some old ruins of a military base they might find a broken down T-62 tank or some ammo for their kalishnokovs.
Many of these are weirdly extreme personal preferences, but this one is just plain wrong:
"9. All mutants are transhuman.
When transhumanists like Ray Kurzweil or R.U. Sirius talk about humans evolving into something better, what they mean is that we will mutate into creatures who are not recognizably human. Of course that doesn't mean we won't be humanists."
When Kurzweil and Sirius talk about evolution, they are using the term incorrectly. It's one of the things that drives me crazy about them. Transhumanism is generally about planned changes with specific goals. Evolution is about random happenstance, and either what works better, or at least has minimal negative effect.
Mutants might be superhuman (yeah, not usually), but they are only Transhuman if the mutation was induced intentionally.
-Kle.
09/22/09
The camp factor was priceless, and the replacement of Husk and Chamber with boring stand-ins was unfortunate, but Finola Hughes was spot-on as Emma Frost. Moreover, the whole thing had its own way of coming at a comic book aesthetic in a loving, if cheese-tastic way.
09/22/09
I think I actually enjoyed it quite a bit too.
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Now I hear there's DougLok... wtf?
09/22/09
It'd basically be X-Men: Wolverine (again) plus some Storm.
I guess you can throw Nightcrawler & Beast in there, but that doesn't quite work.
You really can't do X-Men without Cyclops.
09/22/09
You can do X-Men without Cyclops, only if Storm wasn't Halle Barry. (See, Storm lead the X-Men but Halle is a bad... ah, y'know what? Forget it).
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@Paul_Is_Drunk: Robby Benson just tweeted that they're fitting this guy for an X-Men uni.
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The only way Magneto will be able to work is if they take a legitimate director who is known more for period drama and treat the movie more like a Holocaust survivor tale that involves elements of the fantastic than an "OMG super powered mutants who are old and were in WWII" movie, which is exactly what Hood would deliver.
Sadly, I don't think Fox is capable of taking such a story seriously enough to justify its existence. I'm not saying another company couldn't, but the movie should not be made by Fox. They simply don't care enough about the characters they have control over, which is sadly very many.
09/22/09
Since the Nazis actually did believe and study the occult it would be fascinating if Magneto was hunted partially for his Jewish heritage but then, once his powers manifested, partially because he was deemed a satanic demon of some sort. Hoping to capture and utilize his "demonic" powers for evil, the Nazis could bring in their personal Doctor and investigator of "the occult" (read: mutant phenomenon), Mr. Sinister.
Sinister could be introduced as a Menghella-type fanatic hoping to create the perfect race (uber-mutants, not Aryans) for his own twisted purposes, not Hitler's. He could serve as the nemesis to Magneto for the film who is later just barely saved from the brink of complete evil from Charles Xavier, but whose impression on Magneto would make his ideals shift between those of Xavier and Sinister, landing in his moral gray area.
Sinister's introduction and experiments on himself (and others) could open the door for his inclusion in the inevitable X4 film. Possibly also opening the door to Apocalypse, who in the movie would be the culmination of Sinister's experiments on mutant kind.
The fourth film could also incorporate Cyclops' history (and return) with Sinister as well as, assuming Angel would be back since he survived X3, Archangel's story arc as a tool of Apocalypse and the Horsemen (maybe bring Gambit in as a Horsemen, too... yes, I know Angel and Gambit were not Horsemen at the same time, but I'd like to see Gambit brought into the fold again somehow... minus the bowler and telekinesis). Sinister could then be revealed to have been the doctor behind the experiments on the mutants in Wolverine Origins (that movie inadvertantly retro-fitting Sinister's obsession with Cyclops into the movie series AND partially explaining Gambit's disappearance at the end of that film, him becoming an early member of the Horsemen).
I'd pay to see 'em.
09/22/09
First Class? Hell, no!
Hood on Magneto? (Hell, no)^5. One butchered character is enough.
09/22/09
Goddamn you, Ratner.
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Hood then added:
"So of course we'll need to to dumb it down a lot for the mouthbreathers and maybe butcher the shit out said characters. Oh yea, and invest in better anti-pirate defense systems!"
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Still, that's some mighty fine larping.
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This Russian group really goes all out on these S.T.A.L.K.E.R. events. I think this is the 4th or 5th one that I've seen now.
09/21/09
Fallout came out in 1997 as an RPG and based on Wasteland which came out in 1989.
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"9. All mutants are transhuman.
When transhumanists like Ray Kurzweil or R.U. Sirius talk about humans evolving into something better, what they mean is that we will mutate into creatures who are not recognizably human. Of course that doesn't mean we won't be humanists."
When Kurzweil and Sirius talk about evolution, they are using the term incorrectly. It's one of the things that drives me crazy about them. Transhumanism is generally about planned changes with specific goals. Evolution is about random happenstance, and either what works better, or at least has minimal negative effect.
Mutants might be superhuman (yeah, not usually), but they are only Transhuman if the mutation was induced intentionally.
-Kle.