semantics schamantics - but seriously as a nerd (geek?) who loves language above all, I think this can all be settled with a little etymology:
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Etymological Theory 1: Sometime in the early 19th century, the Scottish word geck, meaning "fool," changed to geek and began being used to describe a certain kind of carnival performer. Geeks specialized in eating live animals, including biting the heads off live chickens.
Theory 2: Real etymology geeks trace the word geck all the way back to Shakespeare-see, for instance, "the most notorious geck" in Act V of Twelfth Night-and claim that we have the first great literature geek to blame for the word.
NERD
Theory 1: The first known appearance of the word is in Dr. Seuss's 1950 If I Ran the Zoo, in which a character wants to collect "A Nerkle a Nerd and a Seersucker, too!" The theory goes that kids liked the ring of the word so much, they started using it derogatorily.
Theory 2: Some at Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute claim that they coined the word knurd in the '50s to describe kids who studied all the time (knurd being drunk spelled backward).
neither seems desirable, but I think OW-Holmes is on to something.... the denotations of the words have changed among the people to whom they're most often applied. and I'll take that!
you know what's nerdy? meta discussions where you post a blog entry about nerds, then make a new self-referential post summarizing the comments from the original post. even though people could just read the original post and comments because it was only 2 days ago.
I couldn't get the comments to load that day, so I didn't get a chance to add my Very Important Opinion: Dude, It's just a word-- cry me a river, build a bridge, and get the fuck over it!
@OW-Holmes: 6's time will come... we are patient. When the ruins of 4 and 5 are mouldering and mere dust ground underneath our feet, 6 will emerge triumphant. For 6 is not dead... merely sleeping.
i belive 'nerd' has been innacuratly conflated to mean 'someone with singleminded interests in video games and or comics' when it actually means 'someone with singleminded interests in non-social pursuits.' the term 'nerd' hasn't changed in meaning, the pursits that can be considered 'non-social' have. so the real issue here is that some things that few people used to be interested in are suddenly beginning to interest more and more people. to which i must reply with the adage that being popular does not automatically make something reprobate or bad.
@crashedpc: Seriously. I cant imagine the kind of estate taxes we would have to pay.
Just put the Earth in a nice spend thrift trust so I wont go and squander it too soon. Maybe a Crummy Withdrawal right so we can get some gift tax benefits.
Sure, ever since Bill Gates broke orbit there have been more poseurs and superficial interpretations of the term, but "nerds" are still "nerds". Car nerds still know the vitals of every engine/transmission combination availabe on a 1964 Rambler. Space nerds still don't have tans. Female book nerds still wear glasses, hang out at libraries, and are expeditionary in bed.
"Nerd" is still valid, and there really isn't any other term that could take its place.
I'm going to have to say that nerd was dead since it was "cool to be a nerd"
i know of a couple of friends who are hardcore nerds and i am not one of them. i always considered myself a good old fashioned, biting heads off of things geek.
on the revenge of the nerds scale i would be a Booger for sure.
@strider_mt2k: I was going to go in and fix the fact that the poll has two extra answers, by mistake... but then I saw all the comments and I laughed so hard I forgot what I was doing.
@Charlie Jane Anders: How dare you even think of removing choices 4 and 5. In this new america of uncertainty, where the world teeters between the brink of post-human utopia and the apocalyptic anarchy of cannibalist nuclear winters, we need new and powerful ideas to reinvigorate the young.
I personally am organizing the Canadian factions of 4 and 5. Everyone who supports 4 can meet at the Tim Horton's up the street. Everyone who supports 5 can meet at.... the other Tim's slightly further up the street.
@Grey_Area: Only if she's a real hottie whose sign is Cancer.
And besides, everyone who votes for Six gets indescribable pleasures from dubious heavenly beings. But you wouldn't know that unless you voted for Six. Which you didn't.
@crashedpc: What number is Anders? Because thats the one I'm voting for.
And in doing so we leave the realm of nerd and geek and descend into the treacherous world of the lecherous sci-fi fans. The things we do with our imagination.
@Grey_Area: See?? THIS is what happens when nerds are presented with choices they shouldn't be given! Everything gets sidetracked and we start going off on tangents!
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I'm glad so much research was done into this. And I used to lament why "dork" didn't make it bigger. Or "goof".
Anyway, above all these, I prefer the Japanese term "otaku".
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GEEK
Etymological Theory 1: Sometime in the early 19th century, the Scottish word geck, meaning "fool," changed to geek and began being used to describe a certain kind of carnival performer. Geeks specialized in eating live animals, including biting the heads off live chickens.
Theory 2: Real etymology geeks trace the word geck all the way back to Shakespeare-see, for instance, "the most notorious geck" in Act V of Twelfth Night-and claim that we have the first great literature geek to blame for the word.
NERD
Theory 1: The first known appearance of the word is in Dr. Seuss's 1950 If I Ran the Zoo, in which a character wants to collect "A Nerkle a Nerd and a Seersucker, too!" The theory goes that kids liked the ring of the word so much, they started using it derogatorily.
Theory 2: Some at Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute claim that they coined the word knurd in the '50s to describe kids who studied all the time (knurd being drunk spelled backward).
neither seems desirable, but I think OW-Holmes is on to something.... the denotations of the words have changed among the people to whom they're most often applied. and I'll take that!
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actually, that's just kinda lazy.
nerds: they can read.
so can geeks.
and dorks.
this was like the idiot's guide to i09. ironic.
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I couldn't get the comments to load that day, so I didn't get a chance to add my Very Important Opinion: Dude, It's just a word-- cry me a river, build a bridge, and get the fuck over it!
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You get a gold star for effort, (if you didn't already have one.)
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Just a bookworm, really.
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...er, please tell me it's not being changed to nyrd.
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We are doing good, but arnt there yet ;)
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Just put the Earth in a nice spend thrift trust so I wont go and squander it too soon. Maybe a Crummy Withdrawal right so we can get some gift tax benefits.
(quietly walks out after making a law joke)
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[shakes fist] INHERRRIITT!!!
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Nerds will just run that shit.
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Ever been given an atomic-space wedgie? Brutal.
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"Nerd" is still valid, and there really isn't any other term that could take its place.
"Geek", however, has taken a beating.
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i know of a couple of friends who are hardcore nerds and i am not one of them. i always considered myself a good old fashioned, biting heads off of things geek.
on the revenge of the nerds scale i would be a Booger for sure.
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It's a solution we can all live with.
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Heretic! Answer 5 is the only true path to enlightenment!
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Vote with your heart people. Vote 5!
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I personally am organizing the Canadian factions of 4 and 5. Everyone who supports 4 can meet at the Tim Horton's up the street. Everyone who supports 5 can meet at.... the other Tim's slightly further up the street.
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*picks up chainsaw mounted on a flaming pitchfork*
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Answer 5: it's the only prime solution for these troubled times.
Also, Answer 4 is for Cancer. You don't like Cancer, do you?
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And besides, everyone who votes for Six gets indescribable pleasures from dubious heavenly beings. But you wouldn't know that unless you voted for Six. Which you didn't.
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And in doing so we leave the realm of nerd and geek and descend into the treacherous world of the lecherous sci-fi fans. The things we do with our imagination.
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What number is CJ? A TEN OF COURSE HURR HURR
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Can we go even further? Maybe we can make tangents as far as the eye can see or tangential loops that encompass all known reason or thought.
As 4 says "Yes we can".
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I dont know if you can be addicted to a fruit, but I love that fruit.
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I've come back to see that a small seed has grown into a great and silly tree!
propah
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