Of course, the science fiction movie most recently robbed of a best picture Oscar was Children of Men. [popwatch.ew.com]
Cuaron's movie was beautiful, moving and exciting -- remember that amazing long firefight shot toward the end? If the geriatrics who decide the Academy Awards weren't going to give recognition to this masterpiece in a weak year for movies, there's not much hope for District 9.
I'll leave you with that firefight. (Though the opening sequence and the escape from the Fishes are equally brilliant.)
District 9 is the best sci fi movie I have seen in a loooong time, and I think it rightly deserves an Oscar.
Sadly the Oscars have proven that politics govern the award recipients more than the actual quality of the work, so It is really unlikely that it will get any nods.
@Thorax: Also, I really loved it for the simple fact that it was a big budget, original movie from a first time director with zero big stars, all new actors.
It's also doing pretty well. I don't think anyone realizes how rare that is today.
District 9 was a helluva fun movie. A SF action thriller that did not treat me like a moron, but it wasn't a Work of Genius. It might get an Oscar nod, it should't win one, well, maybe for effects.
@Grey_Area: I think in a perfect world Distict 9 would be an average to slightly above average movie. Unfortunately we live in a world of Transformers 2 and sequels to Wolverine.
I think the Oscar talk all comes down to sci-fi people wanting to be taken seriously (which I can understand).
@RandomFrequentFlierDent: What is it that people have against Bay? The man makes big, dumb, summer action movies, and then people criticize him for it.
Why are so many people trying to convince sci fi moviegoers that District 9 is something special?
I agree with jrkman in that to treat this movie as if it deserves to receive the highest level of cinematic honors is somewhat foolish.
District 9 is an action splatterfest with great CGI poorly masquerading as a "sci fi movie with a message". You kids should lay off the video games for a few days and read some Asimov…
An Oscar for D-9? It was a good action movie, more clever than most, but Oscar-worthy? Do we need to clamor for an Oscar every time a SF movie comes out that doesn't suck?
Besides, D-9 isn't even the best SF movie we've had this summer... That honor goes to Moon, and THAT movie would deserve an Oscar nod.
@Belabras: I loved District 9, but I'd put (500) Days of Summer and The Hurt Locker before D9 though. Definitely top 5 of the year, and certainly worth an oscar nod (especially with ten nominees).
@Belabras: what movie did you watch? Entirely new story? Nuanced? I know you can't be talking about District 9. It also was not on a shoestring budget btw. Budgets for films are very tricky 90% of the time the amount they say it cost is not the real cost. That is just what they say for taxes.
I rarely ever say something should get nominated for an Oscar, even movies/people that are actually nominated, but I think it's completely fair to say that Sharlto Copley should be nominated for Best Actor (at least considered). For a first-time actor to do such a great job with such a deep and varied character is amazing. He played Wikus so well; you were never supposed to hate him or love him 100% and he definitely pulled that off. I will be very disappointed if he's not on the list come Oscar time next year.
with Best Film now admitting 10 nominees that category is a bit tough to call...it might sneak in.
District 9 will get a nomination for screenplay (not that it deserves it really) and VFX, which it will not win, the work was very good - but nothing new or difficult at all, which is what gets you past the bake off.
I do think it deserves the VFX/technical awards for the reason that, for me at least, they made believable CGI characters. I don't know, most of the time I feel very aware that I'm seeing something that's not really there in a movie, and this one had me emotionally engaged with the "digital actors" in a way that most other films have failed to do.
As for any writing... as I understand it, according to Jackson there really wasn't much of a script in order to make the movie more "organic" feeling.
Not trying to be contrary, just saying.
As for the whole "does it deserve Oscars" thing... I don't know about anyone else, but I really don't care about Oscars beyond the fact that as some better film makers get that acclaim, they might be able to use it as a club to get studios to give them what they want to make their kind of movies.
Beyond that, it's a tacky little statue that rarely seems to go to the best film.
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the problem with the VFX - as far as the Oscars go is that the competition so far this year is as follows:
Transformers 2
Terminator 4
Watchmen
Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince
Star Trek
G.I. Joe: The Rise of Cobra
Avatar (might win no mater what because Hollywood NEEDS this to be a success)
and whatever else is coming this year
District 9 just doesn't have what the Academy votes for...
Oscars is definitely pushing it, but I hope it has a chance at the sci-fi movie awards and doesn't get lost in the giant hype machine that is Avatar. Of course, Moon was even better, and I *really* think Sam Rockwell should be up for an Oscar.
I saw District 9 yesterday, and it made me sad.The presentation, itself, was spectacular. The aliens were utterly believable, the technology plausible (other than the fuel/mutagen stuff), the character of the imagery (oversaturated colors in the palette), sets meticulously strewn with debris like all human refugee camps, the aliens acting, well, ALIEN all the time ... the potential inherent in every element of this movie was tremendous, and therefore the failure of the writers to actually say or do anything with all of that potential was doubly distressing. A beautiful, technically amazing piece of really really awful storytelling.
@KitkatHaterack: I hate to admit it, but I agree. There were SOME elements that were decent. Like the little bits with the father/son alien relationship. That was cute in a Enemy Mine sort of way.
I think the movie should have been MUCH longer. Maybe three hours. It really accelerated towards the end in a ridiculous way. Then Christopher just abandons all of the workers and bails Earth. Nice.
Regardless. ANY director taking on a CGI flick should analyze the HELL out of this movie. From a visual standpoint, it was astounding.
@KitkatHaterack: the best explination i could come up with for the 'fuel/mutagen' stuff is that it's not rocket 'fuel' but control 'fuel.' the film makes it clear that alien technology only works when activated by alien DNA. my theory is that the fluid in their technology is what bridges the gap between their technology and their minds and allows the technology to work. the sequence where wickus puts his hands in the goo to control the pod? i think that's what the liquid is for, powering that interface. so the reason it acts a mutagen is because in its raw form that's what it is, it mutates the biological material it comes into contact with in an attempt to understand what messages the brain are sending.
@KitkatHaterack: I don't think the aliens acted alien at all. The majority acted like idiots (even the human slum lords were smarter) perhaps suggesting some kind of caste system, but then the only intelligent alien (Christopher) acts exactly like a human, with a standard father/son relationship.
@tetracycloide: I thought he said he was going to get help?
(The only explanation for not bringing everyone with him that I can come up with is that maybe the ship doesn't have life-support for 1+ million aliens. They were starving when the humans cut their way into the ship, after all.)
@FrankenPC: Hmm, not sure I agree at all. I thought it was just the right length. They could have expanded on some ideas with more time, but it would have been at the cost of becoming bloated. I felt the film planted lots of seeds while leaving quite a lot to the viewer's imagination, which is fine with me - I'd rather be treated with a soft touch than be hit over the head with a hammer for 2+ hours.
As for Christopher's abandonment of his people, I thought that was well foreshadowed from the beginning - there was only the one other alien he interacted with besides his son, implying (to me) that he was really only interested in his own welfare, not leading his people to freedom. It was only after seeing the experiments at MNU that he even conceived the idea of coming back to help his people. For me, that all fit together pretty well.
My only complaint was the repeated use of the "Before I actually shoot you, I will tell you that I'm going to tell you that I am going to shoot you so you will have plenty of time for help to come" trope. But that's a pretty minor complaint all things considered.
The species-swapping thing was a big disappointment for me. That's right out of the cheesy sci-fi playbook. This movie should have been above the genetic voodoo that every other sci-fi movie falls back on when the writers don't have any better ideas. It'd take a total naivety of biology to find an ounce of plausibility there. Other than that major fudge, it was head and shoulders above any other sci-fi movie.
It made perfect sense to me that Christopher left the prawns behind. He needed reinforcements. He barely got himself up to the ship; how was he supposed to get over a million prawns up there? It probably took weeks to transport them out of the ship in the first place. And what do you think humanity does when a great big spaceship capable of who knows what and piloted by a being that has every reason for revenge suddenly comes to life? After the miniature war that went on below him he can't really say, "We're going to leave peacefully now -- you can trust me." Not to mention, MNU has every reason not to let all that technology get away.
If he didn't leave immediately he'd be blown out of the sky and they'd be stranded, maybe forever.
@KitkatHaterack: I felt the same after the movie. It was really good, but at the same time it didn't really deliver in the story. There was so much potential, and it was wasted. I wouldn't be surprised if District 9 were nominated (especially with 10 nominations!), but I would be shocked if it won. By the end of this film, it just felt like an oddball buddy action movie...with exploding people.
Who needs Oscars? They are certificates of approval from mainstream Hollywood, and this movie is the exact opposite of that. It will get its affirmation from the millions of people buzzing about how good it was, and the fact that it will likely far surpass its budget in profits.
The academy awards has and always will be a popularity contest. It also seems that the winner of best movie is always released at the end of the year. District 9 fails at so many levels. It is Sci-fi for one. There are no A-List stars or B-list, or C-list... It was released in the summer. It did not make me cry nearly enough to be best picture. You gotta admit, everyone cried during Schindler's List.
@reddingofish: I totally cried during it. The Christopher - son relationship was so sweet. The part where baby-Chris is listening to his father being threatened . . . I'm probably going to go see it again, as I couldn't really enjoy it the first time, I was so stressed out as to whether Christopher and his son would be ok.
@dnafarfan:
It's set in a dystopian future. For most, that's enough to be considered "sci-fi".
I'm not sure if I agree with that label.
As for being just about sex and rape... You probably should watch it again. I'm not as high on the movie (or Kubrick in general) as some people, but that might be cutting it a little too thin.
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@dnafarfan: My advice; skip the movie, read the far superior book. If you still want to watch the movie after that, you'll appreciate the message a lot more.
08/19/09
[popwatch.ew.com]
Cuaron's movie was beautiful, moving and exciting -- remember that amazing long firefight shot toward the end? If the geriatrics who decide the Academy Awards weren't going to give recognition to this masterpiece in a weak year for movies, there's not much hope for District 9.
I'll leave you with that firefight. (Though the opening sequence and the escape from the Fishes are equally brilliant.)
08/17/09
Sadly the Oscars have proven that politics govern the award recipients more than the actual quality of the work, so It is really unlikely that it will get any nods.
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It's also doing pretty well. I don't think anyone realizes how rare that is today.
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I think the Oscar talk all comes down to sci-fi people wanting to be taken seriously (which I can understand).
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I agree with jrkman in that to treat this movie as if it deserves to receive the highest level of cinematic honors is somewhat foolish.
District 9 is an action splatterfest with great CGI poorly masquerading as a "sci fi movie with a message". You kids should lay off the video games for a few days and read some Asimov…
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Besides, D-9 isn't even the best SF movie we've had this summer... That honor goes to Moon, and THAT movie would deserve an Oscar nod.
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I thought Star Trek was simply ok. It wasn't all that ambitious, but successful at what it did.
District 9 managed to tell an entirely new and nuanced story on a shoe-string budget and look great doing it. IMHO that makes it a better movie.
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District 9 will get a nomination for screenplay (not that it deserves it really) and VFX, which it will not win, the work was very good - but nothing new or difficult at all, which is what gets you past the bake off.
08/17/09
I'd disagree, respectfully.
I do think it deserves the VFX/technical awards for the reason that, for me at least, they made believable CGI characters. I don't know, most of the time I feel very aware that I'm seeing something that's not really there in a movie, and this one had me emotionally engaged with the "digital actors" in a way that most other films have failed to do.
As for any writing... as I understand it, according to Jackson there really wasn't much of a script in order to make the movie more "organic" feeling.
Not trying to be contrary, just saying.
As for the whole "does it deserve Oscars" thing... I don't know about anyone else, but I really don't care about Oscars beyond the fact that as some better film makers get that acclaim, they might be able to use it as a club to get studios to give them what they want to make their kind of movies.
Beyond that, it's a tacky little statue that rarely seems to go to the best film.
08/17/09
the problem with the VFX - as far as the Oscars go is that the competition so far this year is as follows:
Transformers 2
Terminator 4
Watchmen
Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince
Star Trek
G.I. Joe: The Rise of Cobra
Avatar (might win no mater what because Hollywood NEEDS this to be a success)
and whatever else is coming this year
District 9 just doesn't have what the Academy votes for...
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I think the movie should have been MUCH longer. Maybe three hours. It really accelerated towards the end in a ridiculous way. Then Christopher just abandons all of the workers and bails Earth. Nice.
Regardless. ANY director taking on a CGI flick should analyze the HELL out of this movie. From a visual standpoint, it was astounding.
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Great FX, good concept, bad story and execution.
08/17/09
(The only explanation for not bringing everyone with him that I can come up with is that maybe the ship doesn't have life-support for 1+ million aliens. They were starving when the humans cut their way into the ship, after all.)
08/17/09
As for Christopher's abandonment of his people, I thought that was well foreshadowed from the beginning - there was only the one other alien he interacted with besides his son, implying (to me) that he was really only interested in his own welfare, not leading his people to freedom. It was only after seeing the experiments at MNU that he even conceived the idea of coming back to help his people. For me, that all fit together pretty well.
My only complaint was the repeated use of the "Before I actually shoot you, I will tell you that I'm going to tell you that I am going to shoot you so you will have plenty of time for help to come" trope. But that's a pretty minor complaint all things considered.
08/17/09
It made perfect sense to me that Christopher left the prawns behind. He needed reinforcements. He barely got himself up to the ship; how was he supposed to get over a million prawns up there? It probably took weeks to transport them out of the ship in the first place. And what do you think humanity does when a great big spaceship capable of who knows what and piloted by a being that has every reason for revenge suddenly comes to life? After the miniature war that went on below him he can't really say, "We're going to leave peacefully now -- you can trust me." Not to mention, MNU has every reason not to let all that technology get away.
If he didn't leave immediately he'd be blown out of the sky and they'd be stranded, maybe forever.
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I didn't feel anything by the end.
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It's set in a dystopian future. For most, that's enough to be considered "sci-fi".
I'm not sure if I agree with that label.
As for being just about sex and rape... You probably should watch it again. I'm not as high on the movie (or Kubrick in general) as some people, but that might be cutting it a little too thin.
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get one .
It would be great . But I`m just happy at the fact this lower budget movie proved itself amongs the summer movies