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    Image of Insomnia Bob Insomnia Bob
    11/09/09

    In reply to The White House On V: What Aliens?
    Usually, I'd probably be aggrivated with yet another evasive White House Q&A session (we had plenty of that with the LAST administration), but in this case, I'm fully in Gibbs' corner.

    The White House has BETTER SHIT TO DO than critique a new ABC Miniseries. #v
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    11/08/09

    In reply to The White House On V: What Aliens?
    Meanwhile, the Official Twitter account of the White House Office of Science and Technology Policy wants to know: Is Earth ready to meet an alien civilization?
    [twitter.com] #v
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    11/08/09

    In reply to The White House On V: What Aliens?
    I dismissed this whole thing as ridiculous but I just started watching the first episode and the "Universal Helathcare?" line made me lol. Good show. Whether it's intentional or not it makes the show more interesting. And it's got all of us talking doesnt it? :) #v
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    11/08/09

    @MS-18E Shadoblak: I suspect ABC is in a hurry to remove all the references to "aliens" so they can keep up the ratings. #v
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    11/08/09

    In reply to The White House On V: What Aliens?
    that's just lame. mustt have been a slow day in DC, let's see, yeah nothing going on, OH except the House of Representatives voted to pass a health insurance reform bill for the first time in 100 years, yeah, let's talk bout V! #v
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    11/08/09

    In reply to The White House On V: What Aliens?
    This is how thin skinned the Obama white house is? Freaking pathetic.

    Oh, and Graeme, Monica Baccarin? Really dude, really? #v
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    11/08/09

    @Cash907Censored: They didn't watch the show... They didn't even have a reaction to it. How does that make them thin skinned? #v
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    11/08/09

    @Cartman86:
    The fact that they commented on it at all? #v
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    11/08/09

    @Cartman86: @Cash907Censored:
    Is this like some sort of meta comment where you're trying to prove a point about the ridiculousness of people like the one you're playing here Cash907? #v
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    Image of Mary Ratliff Mary Ratliff
    11/08/09

    @Cash907Censored: I thought it showed somebody handling a ridiculous question with a bit of style and humor, myself. #v
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    11/09/09

    @Mary Ratliff: And if Glib had either of those, you might have a point. #v
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    11/09/09

    @Cash907Censored: The point is they didn't have a comment. I love how the media disrespected him though... perhaps if he turned to someone and called the guy asking the question an a-hole with an open mic... he'd get more respect. #v
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    11/09/09

    @Cash907Censored: Couldn't even bother to read the very short article summary before pretending there was something to criticize? Now THAT is freaking pathetic. #v
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    11/09/09

    @Dethzilla:
    What do you expect? The guy is an asshat. Not even the most Obama faithful reporter takes him seriously these days.
    Youtube some clips of Jake Tapper from ABC News cornering Gibbs with common sense questions. It's like asking a five year old to describe quantum string theory. #v
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    11/09/09

    @ukyo55:
    What do you think I'm commenting on? You know how you answer a stupid question? By looking at the person who asked it like they are a moron, laughing, and saying "Next Question." #v
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    11/07/09

    In reply to The White House On V: What Aliens?
    Gibbs is one of the least impressive press secretaries in recent...or distant...memory. His press name is Secretary Glibs. I just call him Mr. Waffles. #v
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    Image of Lizardman Lizardman
    11/07/09

    In reply to The White House On V: What Aliens?
    Nah, the new "V" isn't really about Democrats or republicans. It's a metaphor for the Church of Scientology, of course!
    Compare the Vistor leader's manipulation of a TV interview with the angry reaction of Scientology leader david Miscavige during the recent "Nightline" report on Scientology.
    The aliens are among us...and Tom Cruise is one of them!
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    11/08/09

    @Lizardman: I thought I was the only one making that connection, what with their "healing centers" and "tranquility" #v
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    Image of WeAreNeverGoingBackToAZ WeAreNeverGoingBackToAZ
    11/07/09

    In reply to The White House On V: What Aliens?
    This is just fucking ridiculous. I can't believe some one thought this was worthy for the White House Press Conference.

    Are you serious? Do we want the White House to respond to all TV shows now?

    Should Obama have released a statement when Star Trek came out taking credit for it? This is ridiculous.

    Not to mention the whole notion of this being an allegory for Obama is kinda ridiculous itself. I watched it and outside of a few buzzwords this really seemed like a poorly written, but well executed series of alien cliches. Never mind that the whole premise is that the sleeper cells have been here for years fucking up the world meaning that bush and all of goldman sachs are lizard aliens too, so if this were a political allegory (which this isn't smart enough to pull off) it would veer way closer to the 9/11 truthers than the teabaggers.

    Regardless, it just seems crazy to me to see this as an allegory when it's just a litany of typical sci-fi tropes rather than a specific attack on anyone or anything. It's completely out of grasp for this show.

    But it just makes me so angry that anyone anywhere thinks the president should comment on a tv show. We're such a dumb fucking nation. #v
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    Evil Tortie's Mom: R.O.A.C.H. promoted this comment WeAreNeverGoingBackToAZ was starred WeAreNeverGoingBackToAZ was unstarred
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    11/08/09

    @WeAreNeverGoingBackToAZ: I get the feeling that the question was asked in jest on a slow news day. Gibbs hardly gave it a lot of attention and the press didn't seem to care much.

    Hard as it may be to believe, the press office in the White House deals with much more than just "hard" news. There has to be some humor on the job, even there.

    Personally, I'd be scared if they only did the serious stuff. ;) #v
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    11/08/09

    @Starlionblue: Right. Sometime I don't think people understand how anything works.

    There is time for 30 second exchanges of levity among colleagues even in the white house. No one is suggesting they talk about this sort of thing at length, or all the time.

    Is the question silly? Yes. Does this mean that the administration is asleep on the job? Not even close. #v
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    11/07/09

    In reply to The White House On V: What Aliens?
    I think this entire thing is hysterical, and before anyone decides to get witty and call me a TROLL again (you know who you are, don't think I forgot, I have a very long memory), I just want to mention that I couldn't care less how dissimilar or similar Obama's White House is to the aliens of V. I am, as of the 2008 election, an apolitical, equal opportunity politician hater (with a few "radical" liberal exceptions).

    Of COURSE people are going to draw similarities to Americas new administration, that's the genius of Sci Fi. It is by nature an allegorical medium. But you can't separate the lumps in the Cream of Wheat so easily, it has to be taken as one package. If the V's represent Obama or Reagen or whoever, then by proxy, they represent the entire administration of modern politics and government. Who is more alien to the common citizen than the overpaid, benevolent, false-promising, insured stuffed shirt politician? Politicians, like the freakish aliens of V, are a macabre joke. And you can apply that logic to any organization that pretends to be something that it isn't, or that appears to be doing one thing while it's actually doing another.

    It's the classic To Serve Man idea, and I love it because I think it rings so true especially in this day and age where people are so used to be taken advantage of by their fellow man and by people who have been sworn to protect and help them, we just accept it as an ordinary part of life. #v
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    Image of xcspyder001 xcspyder001
    11/07/09

    @firstanointed: I completely agree with your opinion here. I never watched the first V but from what I have read here, on io9, the initial show was about people in powerful positions abusing those powers. Thus I think that anyone with a different view than the people of the administration at power at a certain time would find validation in the shows topics. Meaning that if this came out when Reagan took office then the republicans would be saying that this is an attack against him. Thus in this hyper political environment we see the democrats coming to Obama's side saying this is some plot against him also. In summary people are going to criticize any idea, political belief, action any other person takes so we need to get over ourselves. Our presidents are people. They will all make mistakes but also have triumphs all the same but none of them are truly perfect. So this is a stupid topic and in essence is just a show about aliens. #v
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    Image of Lincolnsbeard33 Lincolnsbeard33
    11/07/09

    @firstanointed: it's just as ridiculous as when people tried to compare 300 to the bush admin. #v
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    11/08/09

    @firstanointed: This is why we need a rating system for comments. firstanointed I give you a +5

    Seriously this is the best tae on the show and everyones reaction. #v
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    11/08/09

    @Lincolnsbeard33: Neither is ridiculous if you can make an argument for it persuasively. It doesn't mean that opinion becomes the definitive reading. It doesn't mean it was the intention to imply that connection. #v
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    Image of cletar cletar
    11/07/09

    In reply to The White House On V: What Aliens?
    This V wasn't about Obama. 80s V wasn't about Reagan. They're both kind of about Cortez.

    And as an archaeologist, I have to say--if history has taught us anything, it's this: when the invaders show up, kill them all, and burn their ships. Don't mistake them for gods, don't listen to anything they say, don't worship them. Kill them, burn their ships, repeat as necessary. #v
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    11/07/09

    @cletar: And then nuke the ashes. #v
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    11/07/09

    @cletar: Nurse!
    Fetch the electrodes.
    I've got one that can see! #v
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    11/07/09

    @cletar: Can you please go make a movie now exploring that concept? #v
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    11/07/09

    @cletar: In that case they're rather about Colombus too. #v
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    11/07/09

    @SJ_Edwards: You'll never catch me!
    *runs* #v
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    11/07/09

    @cletar: Correction.

    V is about the Beatles. #v
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    11/07/09

    @cletar: You're a pretty cool archaeologist. #v
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    11/07/09

    @Guang: Sure. But I shall need one hundred million dollars, plus whatever I shall have to pay Will Smith to be in it and write a spiffy end-title theme song for it. #v
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    11/07/09

    @cletar: "V" is all about the letter "V" and the number "5". #v
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    11/08/09

    @cletar: and pullman, and goldblum, they were in that movie too. #v
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    11/07/09

    In reply to The White House On V: What Aliens?
    Man this guy is really out of touch with what's going on in the nation. He's never heard of V? Even the 80s version? He hasn't heard about a huge hit series that many people are mistakenly thinking is about Obama?

    Of course he has, but he's in a bad situation. He can't acknowledge he's heard of it because that would acknowledge the fact that presidents have legitimate criticizers, and the job of a press secretary is to make any criticism sound laughable and ridiculous. Thus, equating V to Spongebob, without acknowledging V even exists. Like since he didn't see it, it must not be there.

    But one thing I learned is that Gibbs watches a little bit of football on saturday, and a little football on sunday, and news every other time.
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    Edited by cylon_conspiracy at 11/07/09 3:33 PM cylon_conspiracy was starred cylon_conspiracy was unstarred
    Image of WeAreNeverGoingBackToAZ WeAreNeverGoingBackToAZ
    11/07/09

    @cylon_conspiracy: That's dumb. It's perfectly reasonable that he hasn't heard of it. If it wasn't for this website, I never would have heard of it.

    But my guess is they did hear about it, but the point isn't that V is a legitimate criticism of Obama (it isn't). The point is they don't really want to be discussing a television show about space aliens and whether or not it's about Obama. It's ridiculous that the question was even asked. The fact that the news media think this is so important to ask at a white house press briefing just proves that we aren't a serious country. #v
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    11/07/09

    In reply to The White House On V: What Aliens?
    We'll be hearing about this from the WH before too long. As Dennis Miller says, "If Obama's skin were any thinner, he'd have a reservoir tip on top of his head." #v
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    11/07/09

    @Ssscorpion: Wake me up when it's 1996 and Dennis Miller is relevant again. #v
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    11/07/09

    @Lassus: Relevant to what? IS anyone on TV right now "relevant" to any ambiguous unnamed thing? #v
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    11/08/09

    @Sabbatai: Yes. #v
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    11/07/09

    In reply to The White House On V: What Aliens?
    It's probably unlikely that the White House is actually unaware of the comparisons. It is more likely that Robert Gibbs was trying not to take an official stand on a fictional TV show and this douche bag Tommy Christopher wouldn't let him have his "out". #v
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    11/07/09

    @Bill-Lee: I gotta disagree. There are a lot of people I know who don't know a THING about this show. I seriously have to say there are more important things for Gibbs to worry about. If there's anyone in the White House paying attention to this, it is some intern so far down on the ladder that they correctly assumed the worthiness of this news dies about two paygrades up and no farther. #v
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    11/07/09

    @Lassus: I disagree with that. With all the turmoil that is going on in Washington over health care, tea parties, protests, and now states like New Jersey choosing a democrat governor, Virgina kicking out its democrats.... and all of the sudden here is a show that seems to be about certain similar themes and it's got 14 million people watching, the biggest hit of the season?

    This show could become event television for people who want to send a "ratings message" to Washington and others who just want to see what the fuss is all about.

    This show has potential to be an enormous hit and the comparisons could get even larger and brought up more and more in the national dialogue.

    And once again, I highly doubt the show is actually ABOUT Obama, and if I could predict hit shows I would have a high paying job in Hollywood.

    But, it could happen. I wouldn't discredit a cultural phenomena that just happens to come along at the right time.

    Anyway, here's the actual reporter talking about what happened:

    [www.mediaite.com]
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    11/07/09

    @cylon_conspiracy: Just for fun, I predict 8 million for this weeks show. #v
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    11/07/09

    @cylon_conspiracy: "and now states like New Jersey choosing a democrat governor, Virgina kicking out its democrats.... "

    Corzine's been a dead man walking for a year, no one anywhere thought otherwise. Governorships are one thing, but the Democrats got two reps and kicked out their Republicans, including the one in NY-23 (traditionally Republican) that can be pretty directly attributed to the schism and carpetbagging by the Republican party.

    That being said, I bring it up only to show there's no sweeping change. I also doubt that V is going to be any kind of cultural bellwether and if I were the White House I'd ignore it as well. Possibility I'm wrong on it, but I don't think so. #v
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    11/07/09

    @CSX321: I hope not, I want to see it survive. My V love predates my politics. #v
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    11/07/09

    @Lassus: NY23 had no primary. The leaders selected our candidate, because they thought "moderate" (left/pro obamacare) was the way to get more votes. The actual republicans in the district seemed to have a different idea. And they were right because the "republican" endorsed the democrat after she dropped out!

    The schism is republicans want real conservatives, not wishy-washy-moderates who have no real core values. Same thing is happening to the democrats, with groups like media matters looking to defeat all democrats who don't like Obama's healthcare proposal. People want their representatives to represent THEM.

    There is a sweeping change. Can't predict V though, but my scenario is definitely a possibility.
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    Edited by cylon_conspiracy at 11/07/09 5:17 PM cylon_conspiracy was starred cylon_conspiracy was unstarred
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    11/07/09

    @Lassus: There are a lot. . . A LOT. . . of people who work in the WH. One of my drinking buddies works there (in an office with no windows, the poor dope) and he knows a few people who watch it. Though the comparison is a little much, they are watching it, if just for entertainment. The hell else are they gonna watch on Tuesday? #v
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    11/07/09

    @cylon_conspiracy: I misspoke, I meant MoveOn.org was looking to defeat non-Obamacare democrats, not Media Matters. #v
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    11/07/09

    @cylon_conspiracy: While I agree the show is good and will no doubt be a hit, I would be a little disappointed if the white house were taking time to keep up with the latest in sci-fi allegory and then taking more time to develop official stances on it. V for Vendetta came out durring the bush administration and could have been considered a slam at their efforts to curtail civil libirties (even though it was really about Thatcher). And although V could be a slam at obama/Regan (Although I think a lot of it is referencing the Nazi's tactics minus the flagrant racism). I did not expect the bush administration to chime in about V for Vendetta or the Obama administration to bother with V. They have to much on their plates to justify putting together an official response.
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    11/08/09

    @Lassus: New Jersey and Virgina both have Republicans for Governors now. #v
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    11/08/09

    @cylon_conspiracy: Do you know how 'voting' works? There was no primary because it was a special election to fill the seat, which is in accord with state law. If the people of NY23 wanted a 'real conservative,' Doug Hoffman would be moving into the Congressional offices right now. It's because they didn't that NY23 has its first Democratic Representative in over a century. #v
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    11/08/09

    @taxbaby: The republican candidate was still on the ballot, siphoning off the votes from Hoffman which probably would have led to a victory for him.

    The point is that the electorate did not choose the candidate, party leaders did. The argument is being made that Scozzafava was the choice of the electorate, and therefore best represented the views of her district. But seeing as it was a special election, the electorate actually had no say in the matter. She was thrust upon them.

    And it seems to me they were correct in their assessment of her since after she dropped out, she endorsed the democrat candidate.

    So, yes I know how 'voting' works, and if you reread my posts on the matter you will probably see that a personal insult was a little premature on your part.
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    @cylon_conspiracy: What I'm saying is that, very simply, the voters didn't want the 'real conservative'. Pretty sure that puts the lie to your argument. #v
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    11/08/09

    @MarcelloDufie: Well, just about everything was about the Bush administration. You learn to tune it out after awhile.

    As far as I can tell this is the first program since Obama has been president that people are thinking is about his presidency. I don't personally feel that was the intention of the writers, but I think it's significant enough to comment on.

    Taking an official stand on it is a little extreme and I doubt anyone really thinks there should be a stand on the show. I know I never suggested such a thing. But to act like you've never heard of it just shows how phony the job of press secretary really is.

    In a previous post I mentioned that Gibbs is in a tight spot, he can't actually acknowledge he's heard of the show without also saying the president is aware of criticism towards him. When it comes to a press secretary, any criticism either doesn't exist, or it's not something they've really spent much time worrying about, or it isn't keeping the president up at night.
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    Edited by cylon_conspiracy at 11/08/09 11:08 AM cylon_conspiracy was starred cylon_conspiracy was unstarred
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    11/08/09

    @taxbaby: No, it doesn't. Some people voted for Scozzafava because she "was the republican". She dropped out of the race but by the time the election happened, there were enough names on absentee ballots to take the victory away from Hoffman. That is the reality of this situation.

    Convince yourself that voters aren't turning conservative, pretend Virgina and New Jersey didn't happen, and when republicans return to Washington in huge numbers in 2010, act like it doesn't mean anything either.

    That's the fun of politics, you get to interpret events for your own purposes. #v
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    @cylon_conspiracy: I'm not talking about voters in general and whether or not they're 'turning conservative'. I'm talking about NY23. In the general election, 55% of voters chose candidates who were not the 'real conservative'. So either you can say that 5% of those voters stupidly voted for the Republican regardless of her positions, or you can say that they intelligently voted for the more moderate conservative in the race because of her positions. Give the voters credit, or don't. Either way, they didn't choose Hoffman. #v
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    @taxbaby: The real lesson of NY23 was that conservatives are no longer willing to have candidates who don't represent their values, so they don't vote for them. Democrats keeps saying that republicans need to "shift" to the center, and they do that because wishy-washy guys like McCain lose elections. Of course the opposition would want a weaker opponent. #v
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    @cylon_conspiracy: I'm not sure we're disputing anything at this point, but I feel like I need to emphasize this: just because 'conservatives' don't want a moderate candidate doesn't mean that a more conservative candidate will win elections. And frankly, it's not as if a Romney or a Fred Thompson would have done better in that election. #v
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    11/07/09

    In reply to The White House On V: What Aliens?
    This whole thing is more telling about people who view Obama as an outsider than anything else. Get used to it folks - he is a black man, he is an american, and he is the president. If you can't deal with it maybe we can get you a spaceship off-world. #v
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    11/07/09

    In reply to The White House On V: What Aliens?
    Hey, Gibbs never heard about the "Bush=Nazi" comparison that were all over the place for the last eight years, why would anyone expect him to hear about something like an extremely popular TV show? Or expect anyone else at the White House to mention it to him so he wouldn't be caught off guard?
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    11/07/09

    @cirby001: They have short memories in Washington. #v
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    11/07/09

    @cirby001: why would the question be asked in the first place? It's just sad that people expect the white house to chime in on the television show.

    Maybe they should comment on the messages Glee sends about homosexuality and teenage pregnancy or whether or not Dollhouse is about rape. #v
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