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11/08/09
[twitter.com] #v
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Oh, and Graeme, Monica Baccarin? Really dude, really? #v
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The fact that they commented on it at all? #v
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Is this like some sort of meta comment where you're trying to prove a point about the ridiculousness of people like the one you're playing here Cash907? #v
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11/07/09
Of COURSE people are going to draw similarities to Americas new administration, that's the genius of Sci Fi. It is by nature an allegorical medium. But you can't separate the lumps in the Cream of Wheat so easily, it has to be taken as one package. If the V's represent Obama or Reagen or whoever, then by proxy, they represent the entire administration of modern politics and government. Who is more alien to the common citizen than the overpaid, benevolent, false-promising, insured stuffed shirt politician? Politicians, like the freakish aliens of V, are a macabre joke. And you can apply that logic to any organization that pretends to be something that it isn't, or that appears to be doing one thing while it's actually doing another.
It's the classic To Serve Man idea, and I love it because I think it rings so true especially in this day and age where people are so used to be taken advantage of by their fellow man and by people who have been sworn to protect and help them, we just accept it as an ordinary part of life. #v
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Seriously this is the best tae on the show and everyones reaction. #v
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And as an archaeologist, I have to say--if history has taught us anything, it's this: when the invaders show up, kill them all, and burn their ships. Don't mistake them for gods, don't listen to anything they say, don't worship them. Kill them, burn their ships, repeat as necessary. #v
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Fetch the electrodes.
I've got one that can see! #v
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*runs* #v
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V is about the Beatles. #v
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Of course he has, but he's in a bad situation. He can't acknowledge he's heard of it because that would acknowledge the fact that presidents have legitimate criticizers, and the job of a press secretary is to make any criticism sound laughable and ridiculous. Thus, equating V to Spongebob, without acknowledging V even exists. Like since he didn't see it, it must not be there.
But one thing I learned is that Gibbs watches a little bit of football on saturday, and a little football on sunday, and news every other time.
11/07/09
But my guess is they did hear about it, but the point isn't that V is a legitimate criticism of Obama (it isn't). The point is they don't really want to be discussing a television show about space aliens and whether or not it's about Obama. It's ridiculous that the question was even asked. The fact that the news media think this is so important to ask at a white house press briefing just proves that we aren't a serious country. #v
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This show could become event television for people who want to send a "ratings message" to Washington and others who just want to see what the fuss is all about.
This show has potential to be an enormous hit and the comparisons could get even larger and brought up more and more in the national dialogue.
And once again, I highly doubt the show is actually ABOUT Obama, and if I could predict hit shows I would have a high paying job in Hollywood.
But, it could happen. I wouldn't discredit a cultural phenomena that just happens to come along at the right time.
Anyway, here's the actual reporter talking about what happened:
[www.mediaite.com]
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Corzine's been a dead man walking for a year, no one anywhere thought otherwise. Governorships are one thing, but the Democrats got two reps and kicked out their Republicans, including the one in NY-23 (traditionally Republican) that can be pretty directly attributed to the schism and carpetbagging by the Republican party.
That being said, I bring it up only to show there's no sweeping change. I also doubt that V is going to be any kind of cultural bellwether and if I were the White House I'd ignore it as well. Possibility I'm wrong on it, but I don't think so. #v
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The schism is republicans want real conservatives, not wishy-washy-moderates who have no real core values. Same thing is happening to the democrats, with groups like media matters looking to defeat all democrats who don't like Obama's healthcare proposal. People want their representatives to represent THEM.
There is a sweeping change. Can't predict V though, but my scenario is definitely a possibility.
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The point is that the electorate did not choose the candidate, party leaders did. The argument is being made that Scozzafava was the choice of the electorate, and therefore best represented the views of her district. But seeing as it was a special election, the electorate actually had no say in the matter. She was thrust upon them.
And it seems to me they were correct in their assessment of her since after she dropped out, she endorsed the democrat candidate.
So, yes I know how 'voting' works, and if you reread my posts on the matter you will probably see that a personal insult was a little premature on your part.
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As far as I can tell this is the first program since Obama has been president that people are thinking is about his presidency. I don't personally feel that was the intention of the writers, but I think it's significant enough to comment on.
Taking an official stand on it is a little extreme and I doubt anyone really thinks there should be a stand on the show. I know I never suggested such a thing. But to act like you've never heard of it just shows how phony the job of press secretary really is.
In a previous post I mentioned that Gibbs is in a tight spot, he can't actually acknowledge he's heard of the show without also saying the president is aware of criticism towards him. When it comes to a press secretary, any criticism either doesn't exist, or it's not something they've really spent much time worrying about, or it isn't keeping the president up at night.
11/08/09
Convince yourself that voters aren't turning conservative, pretend Virgina and New Jersey didn't happen, and when republicans return to Washington in huge numbers in 2010, act like it doesn't mean anything either.
That's the fun of politics, you get to interpret events for your own purposes. #v
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Obama is the President of the United States. He's not an alien, he's not part of a foreign government, he's not an outsider. #v
11/07/09
Even if it is an attempt to comment on the Obama administration, so what? ABC and the producers of this show have that right. Does Christopher ask him to comment on all pop culture references to Obama?
Also Christopher's point of "14 million people watched it..." so he's implying that Gibbs should care. A little math: Gibbs is one of the 290 million Americans who hasn't seen this show that has aired all of one episode. I think "get a life" is an appropriate comment when this line of questioning is brought up. #v
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Neocons aren't the ones with the biggest problem with Obama (in fact, he agrees with them on several points). You're thinking of teabaggers/libertarians/states-right activists. That's an entirely different faction of the Republican party.
Neocons are about "spreading democracy" and exerting American influence on other states. The libertarians are the ones who are frightened of the health care program. The two groups sometimes overlap, but they don't always.
In other words neocon =/= umbrella term for conservatives. #v
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I guess my other point is I never saw a member of the press asking GWB what he thought of BSG's New Caprica arc with it's torture and suicide bombings. That was much more obvious political commentary than the one episode of "V" that we have seen. #v
11/07/09
I'm sorry if I did. #v
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11/08/09
Anderson Cooper started using it as a cute little joke as a way of marginalizing the movement and now everyone's using it.
The correct term would be "tea party movement" or "tea parties".
And they aren't factions of the republican party, they're just normal people who don't think the republicans they elected are doing a good job, but that the democrats are doing an even worse job.
Thanks for the apology. :)
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I 'm not sure what your slam against Fox is, maybe I'm not hip enough to get it. #v
11/08/09
Now it's racist, wingnut, teabagger, redneck, angry mob, (fill in your favorite term).
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Man what country did you grow up in? Cause it wasn't this one. #v
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I haven't seen the police beating up the teabaggers (AGAIN, that's what they started calling THEMSELVES -- I've seen the FOX News clips where the term actually began, and I was boggled), turning loose the dogs, arresting them, tear gas, anything like that.
Funny to see the same people who, 2-8 years ago claimed anyone speaking against the President/CinC was a traitor; now they're claiming dissent and insult is patriotic (but it wasn't 5 years ago, then it was the opposite). #v
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Perhaps I've just misread their voices, though.
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Yeah. I have to say I was unimpressed.
I could get the "Obama bashing" ref, I suppose. Seemed a little ham-handed, especially when they interposed alien-Anna's calm message with crazy resistance guy's ramblings.
I found the dialog pretty bad. The characters were pretty difficult for me to like, especially the teenagers. I especially couldn't understand the priest and his deal with God and aliens.
The narrative felt rushed and choppy. There didn't feel like there was any real chemistry between the actors and it made the human race (at least the representatives of the human race in New York) seem pretty gullible and stupid.
Can't say I'm tempted to watch more of this.
Oh, and our secret weapon? That line alone made me taste bile. Saaaaaapppy....
11/05/09
It's not "Obama bashing" per say it's just pointing out how willingly humans will follow any leader that promises them the moon and the stars. For the dems it's Obama right now (whom I still have hope for but admit am deeply disappointed in that nothing has really changed) and in the 80's it was Regan for the conservatives. Regan's campaigns were all about hope and change and all that.
They used UHC because it's topical. That's all. And it wasn't the Vee who said it it was the "talking head" reporter who spun it that way.
Anyways, the show was way rushed and I had a hard time with everyone buying the aliens as purveyors of awesomeness so quickly.
I also didn't get the priest's assertions that "this is the perfect time to come with all of us in turmoil." Ugh, humans are ALWAYS in turmoil and it's ALWAYS the perfect time to come. We're always divided and in fact I'd say this isn't as terrible a time as it was, say, 5 years ago or any other time. I just hate when people get all melodramatic with the "this is the worst place we've been in yet!" stuff without stepping back at other times in history.
11/05/09
Nope, it's just bad TV.
Not only that, it can't be propaganda unless the government does it.
-Kle. #v
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