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No reality television is NOT part of the language of television now. It's part of the language of reality television period.
While the suits love the idea of injecting what is popular into every show, a scripted show needs to stay a scripted show.
One of the biggest things that made Virtuality a big fat fail to me (well that and blah characters that I didn't give a damn about) was its over reliance on the reality show gimmick.
I don't even like real reality shows, why the hell would I want to watch a fake one?
The creators of this show have already said they have used the kinos to provide character development to characters they otherwise haven't gotten around to yet.
It's a cheap shortcut and an unnecessary one when they had plenty of time that they wasted on the crisis of the week because they ran out of hand wringing, only to get that item in the nick of time, and then find something else they need.
The fact is, they are never going to get the audiences that American Idol and Dancing with the Stars have and no amount of kino cam confessionals will change that or lure those people in.
Instead they should focus on what they do have, what the strong points of the Stargate franchise are and how they can incorporate new dramatic elements into that are not gimmicks or shortcuts.
I really like Sanctuary, but I have to say I hope they use this vote of confidence to get better. The last couple of episodes have been kinda fun, but as they string together, especially this last one, they seem really really really dull lately.
I'm happy for Rush to be gone. Many really, really smart people behave in annoying ways and his character is over developed in that way.
Ming Na is the hottest woman on that show. I dislike her character since she is almost always a bitch. That isn't realistic for a political position.
They have an ensemble cast and need to share some day-in-the-life episodes to develop a deeper understanding for what everyone is doing.
Adding some practical jokes couldn't hurt either. Humans in stressful situations joke with each other. Kino as a ghost? OTOH, watching kino footage is like watching a tv show about watching golf on tv. Boring.
Out of curiosity, if you send a kino through, how does it get back without a human to dial the gate? Is there an auto-dialer with a delay, since you can't dial out with an active WH.
@TheFu: Do you really think Rush won't be back? They left one of the top scientists on alien technologies on a planet next to an alien ship that he seemed to think given a little time he could get inside of. Plus it's Stargate.
But that's the other big hot button — whether sex belongs in sci-fi.
I think it's been pretty clearly addressed that this is not the issue. And Cooper is well aware of it.
The issue is how they have used sex and sexuality. There were not complaints about the use of sex on BSG - because it was done intelligently. And contextually.
Cooper's response to the issues is pretty much the same as the other writers, just slicker. How do you respond to something without actually responding? Why just change the terms of the conversation...
First the other writers attack fans and critics and try to say they're "hurting the cast" even though they're the ones depicting them in demeaning ways. Manipulation 101. Then the boss says he's happy to talk about the issues and changes the discussion. Manipulation 201.
Basically, in order to write a character like Rush you have to be a little bit like Rush. Look at the way the writers respond to the criticism of the show and compare it to other shows' writers. These guys are kind of creepy. I hope Meredith is right, but based on my experience, they're not going to change what they're doing. They'll just try to convince people to look at it differently. Or divide the fanbase. Or convince people they're being prudish. And so on...
Young, Rush, Eli, and either Lantern Jaw or Mr. Angry. Those are your main four characters, and Stargate has been all about having four core characters with everyone else revolving around them. Probably a variation on Monkey Sphere theory. Good luck building up the stature of the other characters.
@mekki: I do like Young but I like Rush better even if he is kinda sociopathic. I can't wait to see him get back on the Destiny. Too bad the break between shows is ridiculously too long. If they were going to wait until April they should have been woring on getting Eureka season 4 up and running with Caprica.
@Makidian: The thing with Rush is that he makes no apologies for who he is. He knows he is a prick. Young tries to play up that he is a good guy who does what he does in the best interest of everyone when in reality it's what is in the best interest for himself.
@mekki: Exactly, it just sucks that the only person who can see that is Rush. Young should reallly take a step back and look at how things are run when he isn't in charge because when Camille and TJ have been running things, they seem to go reasonably smooth. Except for that whole chair situation but that was bound to happen eventually anyway.
@KhaiJB: Oh, come on. This is Stargate. No one ever dies in Stargate.
I was just sayin' the other day while we were watching Sanctuary, Michael Shanks can't be dead because he is a Stargate actor. He'll be back.
I guess Sanctuary must be super cheap, because this last season has been total junk. I mean, I already had pretty low standards for this show, but it still managed to disappoint. It takes work to suck that hard.
SGU - bring it on. Has, imho, been the best Stargate show yet.
@Belabras: I have to agree about Sanctuary. I watch it but I'm not as into it as I could be. One week they're fighting a Bond villain organization (the Cabal) then it's vampire squid vs sea scorpion then they're fighting a minor league abnormal gangster. They need to figure out what kind of show they want to be and stick with it.
I'll keep watching SGU. There's too much potential that I'm hoping will be tapped.
@Belabras: I'm not sure if it's the scripts or her limitations as an actress, but Amanda Tapping is no fun to watch in Sanctuary. A the couple of episodes I saw this season were awful.
Loving SGU though, I like that someone over there has acknowledged BSG as a game changer rather than pretending it never happened, like V.
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(What Would Mary Ratliff Say?)
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While the suits love the idea of injecting what is popular into every show, a scripted show needs to stay a scripted show.
One of the biggest things that made Virtuality a big fat fail to me (well that and blah characters that I didn't give a damn about) was its over reliance on the reality show gimmick.
I don't even like real reality shows, why the hell would I want to watch a fake one?
The creators of this show have already said they have used the kinos to provide character development to characters they otherwise haven't gotten around to yet.
It's a cheap shortcut and an unnecessary one when they had plenty of time that they wasted on the crisis of the week because they ran out of hand wringing, only to get that item in the nick of time, and then find something else they need.
The fact is, they are never going to get the audiences that American Idol and Dancing with the Stars have and no amount of kino cam confessionals will change that or lure those people in.
Instead they should focus on what they do have, what the strong points of the Stargate franchise are and how they can incorporate new dramatic elements into that are not gimmicks or shortcuts.
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Ming Na is the hottest woman on that show. I dislike her character since she is almost always a bitch. That isn't realistic for a political position.
They have an ensemble cast and need to share some day-in-the-life episodes to develop a deeper understanding for what everyone is doing.
Adding some practical jokes couldn't hurt either. Humans in stressful situations joke with each other. Kino as a ghost? OTOH, watching kino footage is like watching a tv show about watching golf on tv. Boring.
Out of curiosity, if you send a kino through, how does it get back without a human to dial the gate? Is there an auto-dialer with a delay, since you can't dial out with an active WH.
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Hmm, gee I wonder if we will ever see him again.
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I think it's been pretty clearly addressed that this is not the issue. And Cooper is well aware of it.
The issue is how they have used sex and sexuality. There were not complaints about the use of sex on BSG - because it was done intelligently. And contextually.
Cooper's response to the issues is pretty much the same as the other writers, just slicker. How do you respond to something without actually responding? Why just change the terms of the conversation...
First the other writers attack fans and critics and try to say they're "hurting the cast" even though they're the ones depicting them in demeaning ways. Manipulation 101. Then the boss says he's happy to talk about the issues and changes the discussion. Manipulation 201.
Basically, in order to write a character like Rush you have to be a little bit like Rush. Look at the way the writers respond to the criticism of the show and compare it to other shows' writers. These guys are kind of creepy. I hope Meredith is right, but based on my experience, they're not going to change what they're doing. They'll just try to convince people to look at it differently. Or divide the fanbase. Or convince people they're being prudish. And so on...
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Because there are a few of us who hate that schmuck.
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And, yeah, these gaps are insanely long.
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I was just sayin' the other day while we were watching Sanctuary, Michael Shanks can't be dead because he is a Stargate actor. He'll be back.
08:46 AM
The whole ship would have died by episode 3 without Rush. Not every genius in television can be warm and fuzzy.
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SGU - bring it on. Has, imho, been the best Stargate show yet.
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I'll keep watching SGU. There's too much potential that I'm hoping will be tapped.
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Loving SGU though, I like that someone over there has acknowledged BSG as a game changer rather than pretending it never happened, like V.
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