Star Wars aside, I prefer my science fiction without nonsense like psychic powers. To me that's just magic and belongs in a fantasy story.
I guess I'm willing to make exceptions though. I liked Minority Report as movie though. I just ignored all the precognition stuff and focused on the futuristic, and mostly plausible, tech.
@corpore-metal: so you'd be ok with stories that have psychic powers in them if we ever advance to the point where they appear to be the next imminant step in development?
If the telepathy could be explained in a way that is remotely plausible, perhaps zillions of nanobots in my brain wiretapping my neurons, sending these signals out through a fiber optic cable to another person with similar nanobots and cable in his head. This might be just remotely believable enough for me to suspend disbelief. But telepathy based on some mysterious, physics defying ectoplasmic juice? No.
Precognition might also just be remotely acceptable to me if it was some very indirect, mathematical refinement to social sciences, like psychohistory. But having dreams about my mother dying in a car crash the night before. No. That's just coincidence.
Telekineses or any form of mind over matter is right out. If I wanna set something on fire, I don't just furrow my brow and chant real hard, I just turn a flamethrower on it.
All my examples require an instrumentality of some kind and are based real science that's just remotely possible.
Ectoplasmic psionic juice or The Force is just other words for mana or magic. It's hooey that ruins a modern science fiction story for me.
@corpore-metal: my point was really that those positions only hold based on what we know now. 300 years ago talking to someone on the other side of the planet without connecting wires would have been fantasy, 200 years ago the same situation would have been science fiction, and 100 years ago it became a reality (dates aproximate).
one century's man's ectoplasmic juice could be another century's man's quantum entanglement.
Sorry but quantum theory provides no support at all for psychic powers.
All the quantum la-la books that has been touted over the last 30 years where the authors claim that QM supports auras, dowsing and other such nonsense are just arm chair theorists who don't really understand quantum theory.
Of course we could discover some utterly new kind of physics that somehow extends known physics and somehow supports the claims of spirit mediums, Jeane Dixon, Uri Geller and so on then okay. But in over two centuries of looking and decades of parapsychological research we haven't found anything yet.
Now, a real scientist would say lack of evidence is no reason, by itself, to stop looking and I believe parapsychology research should go on. But in my personal opinion, psychic stuff is bunk.
@corpore-metal: again, that's true now but it may or may not be true in the future which leads to the conclusion that the difference between sci-fi and fantasy is not what's on the pages as much as it's what century the reader is living in.
Wow, how cool to see a review of this anthology on io.9. Glad you liked my story "project 38". For those who are interested in it: i recorded an audio file with a complete reading of "project 38", which can be downloaded here.
@Kueperpunk: Great, thanks! There is that one part of "Project 38" that some people might find Very Similar to something Alan Moore did but I really liked the way you handled the ending.
I wish you continued success and hope to find more of your work in English in the future!
i spent much of the 80s living in austria (and went to school there) and i have to say, SF in those days was just not a common sight. i read voraciously during those days, but finding good homegrown SF was nigh impossible.
you kinda touch on the reason for why, though: perry rhodan.
that series has such an outrageous mind share in the general public, it's really hard to penetrate into the collective consciousness with a notion that SF is something -- ANYTHING -- other than hyper-trashy pulp rags. you say some aspects of trek and doctor who are kinda trashy and whatnot also -- honestly, diane carey's mary sue trek novels, every last episode of doctor who and 'spock's brain' are to perry rhodan what stranger in a strange land, the foundation series and dune are to SF.
it's really just not a comparison. i was once gifted 6 perry rhodan mags and after reading the first, was flabbergasted just how bad it was. in retrospect, reading the remaining 5 to see if it ever got any better was an exercise in masochism at an early age.
i suspect that the general low opinion of SF due perry rhodan has kinda undercut proliferation of SF in german speaking realm. whereas in east germany (where PR wasn't exactly common), it flourished (and you're right on the button btw -- all the best SF i remember came out of east germany, hungary and the then-CSSR.)
incidentially, nice seeing books with the 'heyne' tradedress again. germany has some truly amazing paperback publishers. heyne and DTV are two publishers i sorely miss (oh, and the one with the black and white pinstriped trade dress -- forget their name, they published all the james bond books i read as a kid.)
@Kurt Roithinger: I reallywas being too easy on Perry Rhodan, didn't want to hurt anyone's feelings. Then again what else is the Internet for?
I first read some PR when I was nine years old and thought "Wow, this is awful!" And this is when I thought Godzilla and Jason of Star Command was Serious Art.
The stuff coming from the GDR really intrigued me, what could you recommend from that era?
"One of his main themes was technologically and mentally advanced races with a corresponding superior moral sense, quite unlike the übermensch proposed by Nietzsche."
This seems curious, since Nietzsche's supermen were also "a mentally advanced race with a corresponding superior moral sense" ... last time I checked, anyway.
Of course, no one really agrees about Nietzsche, but it would be interesting to know exactly what differentiated the ideas of these writers from his views.
@Dr_Henry_Armitage: I always got the impression that Nietzsche's supermen were above moral considerations and could do whatever they wanted. This can lead to very prickish behavior. "You are but mere cattle compared to me. Thus speaks the Superman!" Ick.
Lassiwitz felt the more developed a people were, the more caring and benevolent they would become.
Being from Austria myself I'm really excited about this book and immediately started to search for the german version.
Rottensteiner published many very interesting anthologies but I can't find an exact equivalent to this one.
Maybe they assumed (wrongly) that german-speaking Science Fiction fans already know about all the featured authors.
But it would certainly feel weird if I read it in english. :/
@IgorKremlin: I just spoke with the publishers and am pretty sure Wesleyan has no plans for a German-language edition. Take a look at the link above or try some of these for further reference:
While preparing this review I was struck by how much great Science Fiction never gets translated into English. Being a typical American, I only have the one language- so frustrating, I feel I'm missing out on some good stuff.
So now I put it to you, my io9 siblings around the world:
what non-English-language SF authors really excite you? Please share with us your favorites.
(Just so we don't get too off topic: Most of us already know Stanislaw Lem and probably at least heard of the Strugatsky brothers. Manga and Anime probably don't count as that gets translated everywhere. kthnxbai)
@Grey_Area: A quick Wiki check reveals that Sweden is severely lacking when it comes to sci-fi.
It appears that Karin Boye wrote some sci-fi though, which is interesting considering she's a pretty famous poet and writer up here. Mostly since I never heard of it, but anyway, it's called [b]Kallocain[/b], and is apparently pretty famous and translated to several languages, so it might not be news I suppose.
At least I'm gonna have to read it.
Earliest Swedish sci-fi is [b]Oxygen and Aromasia[/b] by Claes Lundin, from 1878. I have no idea if it's any good, or is even available in English.
@Illogic: The Claes Lundin novel is actually an expanded version of Kurd Lasswitz's first story I discussed above called "To the Absolute Zero of Existence". Oxygen and Aromasia refers to the names of two main characters.
The German story is at times very jokey with silly names and a heroine who plays the "odorchord", an instrument that produces music and scents. But there is also serious debate between science/rationality and art/emotion. I also like a scene in the distant future with a pair of posthuman "Cerebrals" who fly with propeller feet.
Might be well worth checking out the longer Swedish version.
He's one of my scientific patron saints. Wikipedia him, at least; he was a cool guy. He contributed greatly to the study of sensation and perception in psychology.
He also went a little bit weird and tried to detect the souls of plants through objective measure, but that just makes him even more colorful and awesome.
@J. Gov: Doing research on this post lead me to check out Fechner. Ja, verrry interesting! Just one tidbit, the illusory colors you see in a moving pattern of black and white are called fechner colors.
@braak: Also, why did I call it a novel, when it is clearly a play? I think it's because I saw Smeagol call it a novel up above, and it got stuck in my head.
@Mount_Prion: Yeah, both have very closely-related premises. Capek was all about exploring the relationships of the proletariat, borgeoisie, serfdom, etc.
@braak: I call it a "surreal morality play." I do say, up top, that my list is a list of novels, and stories -- so I'd better fix that. I called "R.U.R." surreal (not surrealist, because it's not associated with the movement) because the play's characters are deliberately one-dimensional and abstracted; their actions often don't make sense; the process of rational thought, and restrictive rationalism generally, is mocked ("Rossum" is supposedly a play on the Czech for "reason," or "common sense"); and a dreamlike atmosphere pervades (opening lines include: Hallemeier: "She's asleep, asleep! She who sleeps knows nothing." Domin: "She doesn't know a thing").
@Joshua Glenn: I'm not sure that I buy the actions of the characters not making sense; and, barring that, the prosecution of the premise seems fairly straightforwardly rational--naming the guy "Rossum" isn't actually mocking rationalism, it's mocking the things that we choose to apply the label of "reasonable" to.
I think The Steam Man of the Prairies and similar devices in the pulp "Edisonade" type of stories aren't quite robots. They were more like the mecha, or powered suits, of manga and anime. But I don't want to quibble. This is an excellent gathering of Mechanical Persons.
@Grey_Area: No, please do quibble. I love quibbling. I did try to leave automatons (mechanical apparatus programmed or devised to do certain operations; no possibility of independent action -- relies on control from outside) off my list. I think "mecha" fits this definition. But it can be difficult to make the call sometimes. And I've never read "Steam Man." So... thanks!
@Joshua Glenn: I've never read the entire story either. I would direct your attention to Jess Nevin's excellent essay in the (often praised here) Steampunk anthology from Tachyon. Specializing as you do in pre-Golden Age material you are probably already aware of Nevins' tireless and prodigious research in period fiction. I wish I had bought his The Encyclopedia of Fantastic Victoriana when I had the chance, out of print already.
Nevins is like a SpecFic Librarian Warlod Supreme. Has i09 ever done an interview with him?
I could have sworn I saw an adaptation of ÄŒapek's novel, by an Asian director a few years back.
Don't remember the name of the short film for the life of me, but the premise was that androids did menial tasks in an office environment day in and day out, suffering humiliation and degradation by the humans that ran them, and were left in the office every night to charge. Eventually, a male android notices a female android in the building across the street and breaks his programming to go meet her, where they both instantly fall in love with each other, while the humans look on in amusement and horror.
It kind of made you feel ashamed to be a human after watching it.
Tiktok!!!! He was my most favoritest character in all of the Oz books, and I even loved him in the movie. Return to Oz was awesome back when my 10 year old self watched it on VHS...
@crashedpc: That movie is great. It is also made from 100% pure nightmare fuel. I swear, most of the imagery in that movie was designed expressly to terrify the children who saw it.
@bakana: Combine the Wheelers, the Deadly Desert, and the "Eggs Are Poison" Nome King, and I was shrieking and clapping my hands to that decidedly fucked up movie. Love it. Just re-queued it on Netflix.
@crashedpc: Was that the same Oz book that featured the boy that was really a girl, or was that a different one? I haven't read those books for 14 years.
@AmishJohn: When that Oz movie came out, my then-girlfriend and I took her little sister to see it. Completely freaked out. Not a movie for children! Glad to hear it holds up well for adults, though.
@Joshua Glenn: It is COMPLETELY a movie for children -- the generation of children who read the Oz books when they were kids (adn all ensuing generations of kids lucky enough to borrow their parents' and grandparents' copies to read).
That movie was so perfect it was awe-inspiring. It just nails the eerie atmosphere of the books.
@Adah: That's The Marvellous Land of Oz which is the second one. Ozma is the third.
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Star Wars aside, I prefer my science fiction without nonsense like psychic powers. To me that's just magic and belongs in a fantasy story.
I guess I'm willing to make exceptions though. I liked Minority Report as movie though. I just ignored all the precognition stuff and focused on the futuristic, and mostly plausible, tech.
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If the telepathy could be explained in a way that is remotely plausible, perhaps zillions of nanobots in my brain wiretapping my neurons, sending these signals out through a fiber optic cable to another person with similar nanobots and cable in his head. This might be just remotely believable enough for me to suspend disbelief. But telepathy based on some mysterious, physics defying ectoplasmic juice? No.
Precognition might also just be remotely acceptable to me if it was some very indirect, mathematical refinement to social sciences, like psychohistory. But having dreams about my mother dying in a car crash the night before. No. That's just coincidence.
Telekineses or any form of mind over matter is right out. If I wanna set something on fire, I don't just furrow my brow and chant real hard, I just turn a flamethrower on it.
All my examples require an instrumentality of some kind and are based real science that's just remotely possible.
Ectoplasmic psionic juice or The Force is just other words for mana or magic. It's hooey that ruins a modern science fiction story for me.
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one century's man's ectoplasmic juice could be another century's man's quantum entanglement.
04/15/09
Sorry but quantum theory provides no support at all for psychic powers.
All the quantum la-la books that has been touted over the last 30 years where the authors claim that QM supports auras, dowsing and other such nonsense are just arm chair theorists who don't really understand quantum theory.
Of course we could discover some utterly new kind of physics that somehow extends known physics and somehow supports the claims of spirit mediums, Jeane Dixon, Uri Geller and so on then okay. But in over two centuries of looking and decades of parapsychological research we haven't found anything yet.
Now, a real scientist would say lack of evidence is no reason, by itself, to stop looking and I believe parapsychology research should go on. But in my personal opinion, psychic stuff is bunk.
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I wish you continued success and hope to find more of your work in English in the future!
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you kinda touch on the reason for why, though: perry rhodan.
that series has such an outrageous mind share in the general public, it's really hard to penetrate into the collective consciousness with a notion that SF is something -- ANYTHING -- other than hyper-trashy pulp rags. you say some aspects of trek and doctor who are kinda trashy and whatnot also -- honestly, diane carey's mary sue trek novels, every last episode of doctor who and 'spock's brain' are to perry rhodan what stranger in a strange land, the foundation series and dune are to SF.
it's really just not a comparison. i was once gifted 6 perry rhodan mags and after reading the first, was flabbergasted just how bad it was. in retrospect, reading the remaining 5 to see if it ever got any better was an exercise in masochism at an early age.
i suspect that the general low opinion of SF due perry rhodan has kinda undercut proliferation of SF in german speaking realm. whereas in east germany (where PR wasn't exactly common), it flourished (and you're right on the button btw -- all the best SF i remember came out of east germany, hungary and the then-CSSR.)
incidentially, nice seeing books with the 'heyne' tradedress again. germany has some truly amazing paperback publishers. heyne and DTV are two publishers i sorely miss (oh, and the one with the black and white pinstriped trade dress -- forget their name, they published all the james bond books i read as a kid.)
04/07/09
I first read some PR when I was nine years old and thought "Wow, this is awful!" And this is when I thought Godzilla and Jason of Star Command was Serious Art.
The stuff coming from the GDR really intrigued me, what could you recommend from that era?
04/07/09
This seems curious, since Nietzsche's supermen were also "a mentally advanced race with a corresponding superior moral sense" ... last time I checked, anyway.
Of course, no one really agrees about Nietzsche, but it would be interesting to know exactly what differentiated the ideas of these writers from his views.
04/07/09
Lassiwitz felt the more developed a people were, the more caring and benevolent they would become.
04/07/09
Rottensteiner published many very interesting anthologies but I can't find an exact equivalent to this one.
Maybe they assumed (wrongly) that german-speaking Science Fiction fans already know about all the featured authors.
But it would certainly feel weird if I read it in english. :/
04/07/09
[www.phantastik-news.de]
[www.sf-hefte.homepage.t-online.de]
[www.chpr.at]
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So now I put it to you, my io9 siblings around the world:
what non-English-language SF authors really excite you? Please share with us your favorites.
(Just so we don't get too off topic: Most of us already know Stanislaw Lem and probably at least heard of the Strugatsky brothers. Manga and Anime probably don't count as that gets translated everywhere. kthnxbai)
04/07/09
It appears that Karin Boye wrote some sci-fi though, which is interesting considering she's a pretty famous poet and writer up here. Mostly since I never heard of it, but anyway, it's called [b]Kallocain[/b], and is apparently pretty famous and translated to several languages, so it might not be news I suppose.
At least I'm gonna have to read it.
Earliest Swedish sci-fi is [b]Oxygen and Aromasia[/b] by Claes Lundin, from 1878. I have no idea if it's any good, or is even available in English.
04/07/09
The German story is at times very jokey with silly names and a heroine who plays the "odorchord", an instrument that produces music and scents. But there is also serious debate between science/rationality and art/emotion. I also like a scene in the distant future with a pair of posthuman "Cerebrals" who fly with propeller feet.
Might be well worth checking out the longer Swedish version.
04/07/09
He's one of my scientific patron saints. Wikipedia him, at least; he was a cool guy. He contributed greatly to the study of sensation and perception in psychology.
He also went a little bit weird and tried to detect the souls of plants through objective measure, but that just makes him even more colorful and awesome.
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War with the Newts really was a novel, though.
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Nevins is like a SpecFic Librarian Warlod Supreme. Has i09 ever done an interview with him?
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Don't remember the name of the short film for the life of me, but the premise was that androids did menial tasks in an office environment day in and day out, suffering humiliation and degradation by the humans that ran them, and were left in the office every night to charge.
Eventually, a male android notices a female android in the building across the street and breaks his programming to go meet her, where they both instantly fall in love with each other, while the humans look on in amusement and horror.
It kind of made you feel ashamed to be a human after watching it.
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How about the horror on Tictok's part... one spring for talking, one for thinking, one for moving... none that he can reach.
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That movie was so perfect it was awe-inspiring. It just nails the eerie atmosphere of the books.
@Adah: That's The Marvellous Land of Oz which is the second one. Ozma is the third.
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