@Britt Smith: I think that rule generally always holds true... it's unfortunate that alot of the newer books/movies hold so many grains of possibility within them, even if those possibilities are statistically or generally improbable.
I'll be hiding in the basement when the Daleks/RAGE zombies, inter-dimensional viral nano machines start consuming the Earth's outer crust to create their hive ships....
I have always liked stories that say "In the near future" or "This could happen tomorrow" or a story that happens beyond the life time of the person who watches it. Like Star Trek, it starts in some year like 2250 or something like that right? It says the star date but it never told the year that I can remember. Maybe in Enterprise but I never saw all of those. When a writer puts a date on a sci-fi story it really limits it. PK Dick didn't put years on his books did he, not any of the ones that I read. Brin did in Postman and Earth but that was to make a point about how close we were to the situation actually happening.
@reddingofish: Star Trek has fixed dates, though not for every episode. Pavel Chekov being born in 2245, for example, was established in "Who Mourns for Adonis?".
@axemen: It's not like they all disappeared into another dimension (really, not Atlantis either). Their descendants live all throughout the Yucatan, Belieze, Guatamala, and so on. Many have settled here in my neighborhood and started a new trend in Latino cuisine (Salvadoreno-style tamales are sooo much better than the Northern Mexican ones). A good many of them still follow the old traditions blended with Catholicism. They ain't magic sages, just plain folk. Still, they are probably not above screwing with gullible new-age types for a fast peso.
@Grey_Area: I think thats a Mayan, but a Mayan Shaman? Thats a burro of a different color. Unless they put some of their shaman magic into those tamales.
@Fishypu: "Shamanism" is just a kind of religion-spiritual tradition. It doesn't mean they can put down mana stream totems, or whatever, it just means they're initiates into the old religion. It's like being a Houngan or a Witch Doctor or a Priest.
@canted: Whoa, Dude! You're so totally, awesomely right on! Labels are so...so...BAD, man, so limiting. Everything is all blurry shades of gray, man. No wait, here come the colors...oh wow dude, the blurry blurry colors...
I remember seeing a talk by Robert Sawyer [www.tvo.org] about the nature of science fiction.
Not only does he slam George Lucas for watering down the genre (by dismissing it as pure escapism), Sawyer goes on to say that good SF is about issues more than technology.
He compares the work of Jules Verne with that of H.G. Wells. Verne's work was was basically adventure stories designed to showcase very detailed explanations of science and technology. H.G. Wells' stories were more social commentaries with fantastic technology as a backdrop or plot device.
Verne often criticized Wells as not being scientific enough in his work. But Sawyer notes that over a hundred years later, far more people read H.G. Wells than Jules Verne--because, as Usula LeGuin said above, it's the human relationships that are most important to a good story. Those relationships may be altered by science & technology, but the science itself is less important than the people dealing with it.
As long as there are human beings concerned with progress and social change, there will be SF in one form or another.
The biggest problem is that, for a long time, SF had the advantage of a central plot device that everyday folk could easily comprehend: the rocket ship. "Like a boat, but for space/time". It was exotic, but still very very familiar. Science advancements now are less concrete - concepts as big as galaxies or as small as atoms, None of which are as simple to grasp (as a plot device) as "a box that takes you somewhere/when very different than here." Now, rockets are old hat, and the newest science is largely removed from what we can see with our naked eyes, mostly due to differences in scale.
@MonkeyT: Rockets aren't just old hat, they're pretty useless to go anywhere or do anything really interesting in a modern Sci-Fi sense. We're finding this out in the present with the horrible stagnation of our space program. Most Sci-Fi had dispensed with rockets 40-50 years ago.
A focus on technology is a dead end. Science fiction is a great lens for examining society and interpersonal relations. Jules Vernes' adventure stories had legs long after submarines and aerial travel were common place. And Neal Stephenson's future fiction is hilarious and compelling whether or not any of it comes to pass.
in 30+ years of reading science fiction I've never thought of it as having anything to do with Science, which is a process not a 'thing'...the overwhelming majority of science fiction hasn't even attempted to predict anything to do with science or technology - instead it's used science what-if's and technology what-if's to build the environments, the settings, the textures of the worlds in which it's stories take place...
How can science fiction die? Science has only scratched the surface of the workings of an infinite universe. It's not like science fiction writers are running out of story ideas!
Prognosticating on the future of science fiction is a waste of time. Science fiction will exists as long as there are questions to be answered and alternate paths through space-time to take.
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Not only does he slam George Lucas for watering down the genre (by dismissing it as pure escapism), Sawyer goes on to say that good SF is about issues more than technology.
He compares the work of Jules Verne with that of H.G. Wells. Verne's work was was basically adventure stories designed to showcase very detailed explanations of science and technology. H.G. Wells' stories were more social commentaries with fantastic technology as a backdrop or plot device.
Verne often criticized Wells as not being scientific enough in his work. But Sawyer notes that over a hundred years later, far more people read H.G. Wells than Jules Verne--because, as Usula LeGuin said above, it's the human relationships that are most important to a good story. Those relationships may be altered by science & technology, but the science itself is less important than the people dealing with it.
As long as there are human beings concerned with progress and social change, there will be SF in one form or another.
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Prognosticating on the future of science fiction is a waste of time. Science fiction will exists as long as there are questions to be answered and alternate paths through space-time to take.