Despite the title, I didn't get the impression from the actual article that you thought all of these were all that crappy except for the final few. In fact a few seem to have only praise...
Not trying to be a jerk. Did you *see* Cube Zero? I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not. Likewise, the Octavia Butler comment confuses me. Sounds like you dug this book.
@Mike White: I did not see Cube Zero, but the trailer looked pretty silly. I did love the Octavia Butler novel, which is why I put it at the top. Sigh... maybe I shoudl have said "best to worst" instead of "ranked in order of crappiness."
Why beat on poor old Herbert & Anderson ? This is the text of flier floating around conventions in 1993:
10,191 years have passed since the creation of the Foundation, and the galaxy is in anarchy.
The massmind of Galaxia has collapsed from "impossible" internal turmoil. Known space is divided between warring kingdoms and petty empires, between religious sects and tyrannical guilds. And as for the Foundation...
The Foundation is dying.
But on the distant planet of Arrakis, a movement has taken hold. A movement led by a supposed prophet named Muad'Dib. A movement that could reunite the galaxy.
If the Foundation can control him, it could mean the end of millennia of conflict.
And if they can't, it will ignite a galactic holy war.
If you enjoyed Cube, I highly recommend Cube Zero.
Much to my surprise, it was actually pretty enjoyable, expanded on the Cube "mythos", and almost, but not quite, made up for the wibbly-wobbly timey-wimey vortex of suck that was Hypercube.
My only real complain was that they "steampunked" the prototype cube a bit too much, which didn't quite jive with the near-future setting that was supposed to be outside. Mind you, this is doesn't actually contradict anything from the original, mind you, but it feels a bit off.
I think it would have been much better if they'd set it in the 70's or 80's instead, and just made all the technology really clunky and ackward.
Julian May's "Galactic Milieu" books (Intervention, The Metaconcert, Jack The Bodiless, Diamond Mask, and Magnificat) were all prequels to her "Pliocene Exile" series.
Babylon 5: The Gathering was a prequel movie to the Babylon 5 series.
I suppose you could make an argument that the Young Indiana Jones show and Young Sherlock Holmes movie were prequels to their respective adult versions.
I spent way too much time trying to figure out how to make Star Wars prequels work. Conceptually, they are flawed. I never quite bought into the idea that Jedi were basically a branch of the government.
Listening to Obi Wan talk about the Clone Wars in Ep4, I always had the impression that the Jedi were basically wandering monks whom most people in the galaxy thought were just tragic fools. Stories about them were mostly viewed as folk tales. Mostly, they were outcasts, seen by the galactic culture as a cult made up of freed slaves, idiot savants and the dregs of a thousand worlds, wandering the universe, looking for truth and meaning. And they had a hand in most major events in the Republic due to being drawn/moved by the Force but it was all on the down low (Yoda reinforced this idea in Ep5, when he tells Luke that a Jedi does not seek glory or revenge).
Maybe there were a handful of high ranking politicians and noblemen who believed the Jedi were great warriors and called on them to preform secret missions of cosmic importance, but it was all behind the scenes. The Clone Wars was a secret war and the Sith were a shadowy cabal, driven to extinction along with the Jedi, their remaining 2 members out in the open only because the bad Guys won. The only reason Bale Organa wanted Obi Wan's help was because he was one of the true believers from the old days, and the Rebels were that desperate, that they were going to put all their hope in defeating the Empire on an elderly swordsman who had been in hiding for the last 18 years.
Ok, say what you want about I and II, I LOVE ep. III. There I said it. Flame away. Yes, it has some moments of cringe time, but so does every other Star Wars movie. I think it's the best paced movie out of the lot and did a great job of tying the two sets together. And I'm sorry but you just can't really be a Star Wars fan if you're not drooling at the two ligthsaber battles at the end (even with the "I have the high ground"ending, I consider that to be the Ewok moment of ep. 3).
Seriously? did you even read the Dune Prequels or are you just going off of someone elses reviews. All of the prequels were really good. and they really helped wrap up the whole series.
@BessLollerskater: Wrap up, really? ARRGH! They just won't stop! Frank Herbert's first three books were fine as they are. Everything after that has been money-grubbing masturbation.
@jbrecken: Your kind of right, but it isn't a direct prequel to any particular TV show, movie, or comic- it's it's own self-contained alternate version. Also, I don't think he'll ever actually become Superman- I bet they've only licensed Clark, Smallville, Lex, etc. and NOT specifically Superman. They may not be allowed to ever show Clark as Superman.
Enterprise was underrated. it had it's moments. it certainly wasn't any worse than the first four seasons of voyager (ok, maybe enterprise season 3 was really bad). oh btw, JJ abrams' reboot won't erase it from continuity either. so we're stuck with that one.
and i think the tripods prequel was much better than the tripod sequels.
I often ask myself how I would have written the star wars prequels, given the same characters (including jar-jar) and the same basic plot points (even the boring politics)...it's a really good thought experiment..
oh and Star Trek: Enterprise could have been so much better...but Brannon Braga and Rick Berman are idiots.
I will always remember the premiere of Enterprise because it was on the same day that I gave birth to my kid. We turned on the tv by accident, I rolled on the remote. I was delirious with pain, exhaustion and lacation --- and even in that state I knew that Enterprise was complete cheeseball hackwork.
@Wandering Wench: I'm surprised you didn't vomit upon hearing the hideous theme song. I hope you were in a hospital so they could treat you for seeing that.
Temple of Doom sucked (Lucas even has problems with it) but Crystal Skull was great, as were the Star Wars Prequel movies. Maybe they're not the SW of your youth, but they're the SW of other people's youth, and they looked much better than the originals- let it go.
Of course, I don't feel the same way about the new Star Trek movie. I'm sure it will be better than "Enterprise", but unlike the Star Wars movies, it seeks to replace the long established history with dumbed down explodey adventures of a twenty-something crew.
(until all you Lucas haters give up on the prequels, I will not give up bashing nu Trek.
@John Hazard: So the prequel movies were great even though they also replaced long-established history (e.g., the Force, once an almost mystical concept, was explained away as microscopic aliens who-immediately betraying the technobabble-allow their hosts to see the future) with "dumbed down explodey adventures" of an even younger cast?
We'll give up on the prequels when they're done right. Maybe someday in the future we'll be able to go back and add quality as easily as Lucas messed with the special effects of the original.
@Jagiya: oh, and I do agree the prequals of star wars are very unfairly slammed.
Yes, theres script problems, and a huge lack of a "rogue" (read: Han Solo) charecter.
But the overall plot is good, theres some huge imagination involved in the scenes, scenaro's and visuals, and (as ever) the music is absolutely godly.
I think the problem with the star wars prequals is mostly;
a) People have grown up and they are kids films.
b) The actors arnt nearly so good in their roles.
c) They are inferiour from a scripting standpoint.
d) Eppisode1 adversely effected peoples views of 2/3.
Overall they are worse films, but their badness is *hugely* exadurated.
"(e.g., the Force, once an almost mystical concept, was explained away as microscopic aliens who-immediately betraying the technobabble-allow their hosts to see the future"
I dont think that explains it at all.
There presence was a way to measure the force, but I dont see how it actualy explains anything about how the force works. (how does having little creatures in your blood give you telekensis :?).
@EaterofFood: Star Wars (the first one and I'm still calling it that dammit) was well-regarded by adults. TIME Magazine gave it a rave and a big article about it after it had been open a few weeks. Many critics liked it. My mother -- who started watching movies around 1930 -- made me take her to IV-VI!
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10,191 years have passed since the creation of the Foundation, and the galaxy is in anarchy.
The massmind of Galaxia has collapsed from "impossible" internal turmoil. Known space is divided between warring kingdoms and petty empires, between religious sects and tyrannical guilds. And as for the Foundation...
The Foundation is dying.
But on the distant planet of Arrakis, a movement has taken hold. A movement led by a supposed prophet named Muad'Dib. A movement that could reunite the galaxy.
If the Foundation can control him, it could mean the end of millennia of conflict.
And if they can't, it will ignite a galactic holy war.
JANET ASIMOV BRIAN HERBERT
FOUNDATION AND DUNE
Be afraid, be very afraid ....
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Much to my surprise, it was actually pretty enjoyable, expanded on the Cube "mythos", and almost, but not quite, made up for the wibbly-wobbly timey-wimey vortex of suck that was Hypercube.
My only real complain was that they "steampunked" the prototype cube a bit too much, which didn't quite jive with the near-future setting that was supposed to be outside. Mind you, this is doesn't actually contradict anything from the original, mind you, but it feels a bit off.
I think it would have been much better if they'd set it in the 70's or 80's instead, and just made all the technology really clunky and ackward.
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Gyahhh.. Sorry for time looping myself there. Stupid lack of edit button!
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Babylon 5: The Gathering was a prequel movie to the Babylon 5 series.
I suppose you could make an argument that the Young Indiana Jones show and Young Sherlock Holmes movie were prequels to their respective adult versions.
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Listening to Obi Wan talk about the Clone Wars in Ep4, I always had the impression that the Jedi were basically wandering monks whom most people in the galaxy thought were just tragic fools. Stories about them were mostly viewed as folk tales. Mostly, they were outcasts, seen by the galactic culture as a cult made up of freed slaves, idiot savants and the dregs of a thousand worlds, wandering the universe, looking for truth and meaning. And they had a hand in most major events in the Republic due to being drawn/moved by the Force but it was all on the down low (Yoda reinforced this idea in Ep5, when he tells Luke that a Jedi does not seek glory or revenge).
Maybe there were a handful of high ranking politicians and noblemen who believed the Jedi were great warriors and called on them to preform secret missions of cosmic importance, but it was all behind the scenes. The Clone Wars was a secret war and the Sith were a shadowy cabal, driven to extinction along with the Jedi, their remaining 2 members out in the open only because the bad Guys won. The only reason Bale Organa wanted Obi Wan's help was because he was one of the true believers from the old days, and the Rebels were that desperate, that they were going to put all their hope in defeating the Empire on an elderly swordsman who had been in hiding for the last 18 years.
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Sorry, but that's how I feel.
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temple of doom? awesome?
yeah AvP sucked. but AvP:R was a delight.
Enterprise was underrated. it had it's moments. it certainly wasn't any worse than the first four seasons of voyager (ok, maybe enterprise season 3 was really bad). oh btw, JJ abrams' reboot won't erase it from continuity either. so we're stuck with that one.
and i think the tripods prequel was much better than the tripod sequels.
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oh and Star Trek: Enterprise could have been so much better...but Brannon Braga and Rick Berman are idiots.
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Of course, I don't feel the same way about the new Star Trek movie. I'm sure it will be better than "Enterprise", but unlike the Star Wars movies, it seeks to replace the long established history with dumbed down explodey adventures of a twenty-something crew.
(until all you Lucas haters give up on the prequels, I will not give up bashing nu Trek.
P.S. Yeah, I know I haven't even seen it yet...).
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We'll give up on the prequels when they're done right. Maybe someday in the future we'll be able to go back and add quality as easily as Lucas messed with the special effects of the original.
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Yes, theres script problems, and a huge lack of a "rogue" (read: Han Solo) charecter.
But the overall plot is good, theres some huge imagination involved in the scenes, scenaro's and visuals, and (as ever) the music is absolutely godly.
I think the problem with the star wars prequals is mostly;
a) People have grown up and they are kids films.
b) The actors arnt nearly so good in their roles.
c) They are inferiour from a scripting standpoint.
d) Eppisode1 adversely effected peoples views of 2/3.
Overall they are worse films, but their badness is *hugely* exadurated.
"(e.g., the Force, once an almost mystical concept, was explained away as microscopic aliens who-immediately betraying the technobabble-allow their hosts to see the future"
I dont think that explains it at all.
There presence was a way to measure the force, but I dont see how it actualy explains anything about how the force works. (how does having little creatures in your blood give you telekensis :?).
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Adults liked 4-6 fine. 1-3, not so much.