I hate that Knepper is known by his Prison Break role, and not his amazing turn on Carnivale as Tommy Dolan.
Guess I'm still bitter about the cancellation.
Oh, is Heroes still on? I thought after the shitfest that was the season 3 finale, we'd all collectively smartened up and decided to put the show out to pasture.
The massive breaks the networks are throwing into the seasons as of late have, in my opinion and others', negatively impacted many series. T:SCC had such a break and it returned to lower numbers while still on Mondays. Supernatural has had a couple of long breaks, but it is on the same night it has been on for four years now, so it isn't as negatively impacted.
Two things:
One, the networks need to stop with the long breaks. They stopped doing it to Lost and 24. It makes sense, especially with a serial type of show.
Two, maybe FOX will have to face the fact that they just can't shove a show onto a new night and expect it to do the same business, especially when that night is Friday and especially when it is a genre show that caters to a younger audience. My guess is that FOX knows just how bad Friday is because they haven't moved Idol there, or at least in recent memory.
In any case, we'll see how the networks change next year, if at all. They seem to have the desire to cling to the old, outdated methods rather than move on.
i didn't realize there wouldn't be a dollhouse and it was the one time i was home at the time it was supposed to air and got pissed off. prison break is a terrible show, that should have been a mini series. i normally watch dollhouse sat afternoon on hulu.
putting a continueing drama on a friday night is dooming it on network television. catch an episode miss an episode works better on a day like that not "sorry you missed last friday and now you are lost" show.
@GreyHammer: Ditto. Was going to be my first time watching Dollhouse on an actual television, and I was *so* annoyed. Amusingly, 9:00 Friday saw Twitter flooded with "wtf where's dollhouse" tweets, so we weren't alone.
Possibly but the odds probably still aren't good. At very least it doesn't make Terminator look bad by another show in it's slot suddenly getting better ratings. Instead it got about the same. Actually slightly less really.
It mostly shows that the timeslot itself overall is not a great one for getting high viewership.
Like someone said above they might just throw a reality show there since they're generally known to get more viewers these days *sigh*. Or they might just chalk it up to a night where they just won't get great ratings anyway and find something they think will at least do okay to put there. In that case Terminator is at least a known entity. Dollhouse too.
@Motoki: If they put one of the bazillion nights of American Idle on Fridays, they would get huge ratings with that (let's face it, people who watch that aren't going out and partying hard on Fridays anyway, and they stay in and watch live), plus free up a night during the week for quality stuff like TSCC.
Prison Breaks a great show that keeps wanting to be scifi but never quite doing it.
I strongly suspect its low ratings are down to the fact its just come back from a massive-mid-season gap.
In fact, it seems standard now for most shows to have lots of random-gaps in their seasons for long periods.
Imho, this is as much to blame for falling viewernumbers accross the board as everything else.
Dollhouse, Terminator, and PB are all great shows that deserve to have a lot more viewers then they do. At least, *officialy* do anyway.
(oh, and, incidently, Prison Break hasnt had anything to do with prison for quite sometime. (thankfully, 4 seasons of escapeing from somewhere would be very dull indeed)...luckly Lost realised that too)
I strongly suspect its low ratings are down to the fact its just come back from a massive-mid-season gap.
In fact, it seems standard now for most shows to have lots of random-gaps in their seasons for long periods.
Imho, this is as much to blame for falling viewernumbers accross the board as everything else.
Dollhouse, Terminator, and PB are all great shows that deserve to have a lot more viewers then they do. At least, *officialy* do anyway.
(oh, and, incidently, Prison Break hasnt had anything to do with prison for quite sometime. (thankfully, 4 seasons of escapeing from somewhere would be very dull indeed)...luckly Lost realised that too)
@twDarkflame: "I strongly suspect its low ratings are down to the fact its just come back from a massive-mid-season gap. In fact, it seems standard now for most shows to have lots of random-gaps in their seasons for long periods."
Excellent point and one I wholeheartedly agree with. Supernatural/Smallville came back for what 2 weeks after a break and now it's stopped again? Bones had a big break came back for a week and is now running twice a week? I live in the UK and that doesn't happen here. A series starts, runs and finishes (barring certain sporting events that can sometimes take priority) UNLESS that series happens to be a US import and then they show it about as much respect as the US networks do. I get my US TV fix online and it can be quite difficult to make sure I don't miss an episode, I'm sure some people miss one or two because of these season breaks and then just don't bother picking it up again.
@MosesMonster: I don't like this idea... chose another night... I already have Heros, Chuck, Big Bang Theory and House on Monday nights... My DVR can't handle any more.
@loudambiance: Me neither, already too much to record or watch on Mondays. How about Tuesday? Is there anything on Tuesdays? I can't think of anything.
It's admiteddly not a perfect show, I won't argue that. However, the show has much potential insofar as I'm concerned. I'm glad FOX is keeping it along with Sarah Jane Chronicles, but I have to say, there are a LOT of other shows Fox could pull before these two.
despite dissapointing reviews fox wants you to know that it would still be to much trouble to plan, develop, and promote another show to replace it with offhandedly commmenting that it was "just the friday night death slot anyway."
I'm really starting to hate Fox. They froze Fringe because of talentless American Idol (does anyone watch this anymore?), Firefly only lasted one season and now they are going to kill Dollhouse after one season? No wonder people are moving to internet only tv.
@Aaron Vail: Only 25.6 million people a night. I'm sure Fringe (the answer to the question "What if the X-Files was done by hacks?") would do the same if given the chance.
Face it, fanboys: these shows are just dumb out of the gate even for science fiction fans. Fringe ended for me the moment a lowly FBI agent secured a private plane to travel to Iraq. And Dollhouse is so dumb it's a testament to how much Fox actually likes Whedon that they even agreed to make it. You all moan about his mistreatment, but they keep giving his ideas millions of dollars.
@Aaron Vail: you appear to be suffering from a divorce from reality, pun intended. american idol, as trite as it is, still pulls in over seven times the viewership of dollhouse. if you persist in your delusions you can pretend that's simply because of the timeslot but the reality is that TV programming sucks because it's always a zero sum popularity contest.
@twDarkflame: you're argument is that your long term cost/benifit analysis is superior to the network's? i think you'll find yourself quite mistaken if you look at all the facts: production costs, brand recognition, advertising dollars. as far as money is considered i'd wager the money earned on the current season of idol will be more than seven times the money earned by the current season of dollhouse, not less.
@tetracycloide: That's ridiculous. Ostensibly, Fox could still be making money off Dollhouse and Firefly decades from now, while Idol is relegated first to daytime TV, then off the air completely once they realize old people still prefer The Price Is Right.
And if you think the production cost for a season of Idol is somehow smaller than one for a scripted show, I fear you may find yourself mistaken. Perhaps other, ratings-weak reality shows can get away with shoestring, but stuff like Idol takes MAJOR cash.
@Grand_Marquis: the fact remains that the total net profit derived from the current season of idol will be higher than the current season of dollhouse. production costs was not meant to imply that it costs less to produce than dollhouse but that there's more factors than just add dollars and dvd sales. furthermore, anyone that's study a small amount of calculus can tell you that just because a series increases an infinite number of times does not mean that it's sum is infinite. so the fact that dollhouse will have dvd sales long after idol, one which may or may not even turn out to be true, is completely irrelevant to the analysis.
06/05/09
Guess I'm still bitter about the cancellation.
Oh, is Heroes still on? I thought after the shitfest that was the season 3 finale, we'd all collectively smartened up and decided to put the show out to pasture.
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04/20/09
Two things:
One, the networks need to stop with the long breaks. They stopped doing it to Lost and 24. It makes sense, especially with a serial type of show.
Two, maybe FOX will have to face the fact that they just can't shove a show onto a new night and expect it to do the same business, especially when that night is Friday and especially when it is a genre show that caters to a younger audience. My guess is that FOX knows just how bad Friday is because they haven't moved Idol there, or at least in recent memory.
In any case, we'll see how the networks change next year, if at all. They seem to have the desire to cling to the old, outdated methods rather than move on.
04/20/09
04/20/09
putting a continueing drama on a friday night is dooming it on network television. catch an episode miss an episode works better on a day like that not "sorry you missed last friday and now you are lost" show.
04/20/09
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04/20/09
Possibly but the odds probably still aren't good. At very least it doesn't make Terminator look bad by another show in it's slot suddenly getting better ratings. Instead it got about the same. Actually slightly less really.
It mostly shows that the timeslot itself overall is not a great one for getting high viewership.
Like someone said above they might just throw a reality show there since they're generally known to get more viewers these days *sigh*. Or they might just chalk it up to a night where they just won't get great ratings anyway and find something they think will at least do okay to put there. In that case Terminator is at least a known entity. Dollhouse too.
04/20/09
But that is too sensible.
04/20/09
I strongly suspect its low ratings are down to the fact its just come back from a massive-mid-season gap.
In fact, it seems standard now for most shows to have lots of random-gaps in their seasons for long periods.
Imho, this is as much to blame for falling viewernumbers accross the board as everything else.
Dollhouse, Terminator, and PB are all great shows that deserve to have a lot more viewers then they do. At least, *officialy* do anyway.
(oh, and, incidently, Prison Break hasnt had anything to do with prison for quite sometime. (thankfully, 4 seasons of escapeing from somewhere would be very dull indeed)...luckly Lost realised that too)
I strongly suspect its low ratings are down to the fact its just come back from a massive-mid-season gap.
In fact, it seems standard now for most shows to have lots of random-gaps in their seasons for long periods.
Imho, this is as much to blame for falling viewernumbers accross the board as everything else.
Dollhouse, Terminator, and PB are all great shows that deserve to have a lot more viewers then they do. At least, *officialy* do anyway.
(oh, and, incidently, Prison Break hasnt had anything to do with prison for quite sometime. (thankfully, 4 seasons of escapeing from somewhere would be very dull indeed)...luckly Lost realised that too)
04/20/09
In fact, it seems standard now for most shows to have lots of random-gaps in their seasons for long periods."
Excellent point and one I wholeheartedly agree with. Supernatural/Smallville came back for what 2 weeks after a break and now it's stopped again? Bones had a big break came back for a week and is now running twice a week? I live in the UK and that doesn't happen here. A series starts, runs and finishes (barring certain sporting events that can sometimes take priority) UNLESS that series happens to be a US import and then they show it about as much respect as the US networks do.
I get my US TV fix online and it can be quite difficult to make sure I don't miss an episode, I'm sure some people miss one or two because of these season breaks and then just don't bother picking it up again.
04/20/09
04/20/09
If I may rephrase that...
Drop Idol altogether.... Move back Terminator along with dollhouse to Mondays.
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Face it, fanboys: these shows are just dumb out of the gate even for science fiction fans. Fringe ended for me the moment a lowly FBI agent secured a private plane to travel to Iraq. And Dollhouse is so dumb it's a testament to how much Fox actually likes Whedon that they even agreed to make it. You all moan about his mistreatment, but they keep giving his ideas millions of dollars.
03/30/09
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How many Buffy DVD's do you think have now sold worldwide?
How many America Idol DVDs, in comparison?
I think you find quality drama earns much much more, only its over a longer period.
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And if you think the production cost for a season of Idol is somehow smaller than one for a scripted show, I fear you may find yourself mistaken. Perhaps other, ratings-weak reality shows can get away with shoestring, but stuff like Idol takes MAJOR cash.
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