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    Empathic Virtual Humans will Pass the Voight-Kampff Test

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    Image of twDarkflame twDarkflame
    12/08/08

    In reply to Empathic Virtual Humans will Pass the Voight-Kampff Test
    Recognising is far different from understanding.


    For some sentient being to have empathy they have to have the capacity to "emulate" what they think someone else's point of view will be.

    This requires both recognition AND the ability to expirence what is being recognised.


    I'm sure emotion-detection has some use's, but its not empathy in itself.

    Personaly, I'm highly skeptical of all forms of top-down AI development.

    I think our best bet for true self-aware bits of software, is to set up a suitable enviroment, and evolve nural-nets based on selective critera.

    (we can be a lot more focused then real evolution, and we can also overclock the speed of the simulated environment....we dont need to wait billions of years to get a result :p).

    A good start would be to train nural-net bots to navigate maze's, and allow the bots to communicate at a simerla datarate to us, to exchange data about the maze to eachother.

    Put selective critera so that the bots can get the most "food" (aka, most change of reproduction) if they work together.


    This does a double-wammy of helping to evolve creatures able to communicate AND teaching them to the very core that co-operation is a good thing.

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    12/08/08

    @twDarkflame: Wait, why are you advocating the hastening of the downfall of the human race via sentient robots? ARE YOU A ROBOT?
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    Image of TheFaithfulStone TheFaithfulStone
    12/08/08

    In reply to Empathic Virtual Humans will Pass the Voight-Kampff Test
    But isn't the reason that humans "pass" the Voight-Kampf test is that they fail it?


    So Leon is distressed because he's not helping the tortoise, but Rachel can unflinchingly kill a wasp. Humans are the ones without empathy, and that's how you can tell them from the machines?


    I'd be worried if my Sims developed emotional responses. I'm not sure how I would react if someone made me sleep in the yard a in a puddle of my own urine, but I doubt it'd be good.

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    12/08/08

    In reply to Empathic Virtual Humans will Pass the Voight-Kampff Test
    Wait, since I don't have empathy, that means I'm a robot?
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    Image of RAHfanboy RAHfanboy
    12/08/08

    @B: More likely a replicant.
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    Image of Mount_Prion Mount_Prion
    12/08/08

    In reply to Empathic Virtual Humans will Pass the Voight-Kampff Test
    ...so...my Sims will finally love me back?


    /wrists

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    12/08/08

    In reply to Empathic Virtual Humans will Pass the Voight-Kampff Test
    Stay out of the Uncanny Valley folks. Pick a side and stick with it.
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    12/08/08

    @Belabras: That's what I figure. Either hyper-realistic or super-stylized.
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    12/08/08

    In reply to Empathic Virtual Humans will Pass the Voight-Kampff Test
    AHHHHH! AHHHH!!!!! It's not even at Uncanny Valley levels and AHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!! MELDED TEEF
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